cout (unsigned short)a[i]"\n";}
oh sorry lol

hrm, I guess it was mikero who frist raised the specter of Java

&f)+i
adding a scalar to whatever-type-f-is increases by sizeof(f)
not sizeof(char)
Use a union_cast to cast from float to char*

union_cast?

wait
no

!fs union

union is a class-key such as struct and class. It may only have aggregate members (see !aggregate) and it creates one single byte aligned member from them.

don't do that, because it'll reinterpret it as the bytes in the pointer, which will crash

Kaedenn, so not much difference between interface and abstract class, just that interface doesn't have any implementation while abstract classes can have some default implementaiton for some functions

More or less correct.

Surprisingly Java's meaning of an interface doesn't apply directly to C++.

Kaedenn, many thanks,… so the address of a type is actually located in sizeof(type) bytes

What is Java's meaning of an interface ville ?

Interfaces are just a design pattern, and like all website design patterns in C++, you can modify them somewhat to better suit your needs

one of the provided header files gives me defines like:
#define KEikRgbRed {red=0×80;green=0×00;blue=0×00;}
how can I use these defines in my code?
There is a class called TRgb, but I don't know how to convert theses defines to this TRgb instances really

it doesn't appear that one could
unless that is the body of a member function someplace

dunno what those defines are supposed to be good for really.

that would need another strange define to make it useful

oops

or perhaps just something like struct TRgb { … void makred() KEikRgbRed … };

if (make_it_red) KEikRgbRed
*shrug*

perhaps. but strange it is, right?

yoda-like you are

It definitely is strange.

Bleh. Don't use the preprocessor like that.

s/like that/at all, if you can avoid it/

I found very elegant, very nice uses of the preprocessor.
Especially with code generation.
What used to take 500 lines now takes 25 lines.
With BOOST_PP_REPEAT and BOOST_PP_ENUM and friends.

yes, for code generation or repetition its a godsend

also, for code shortening.

and you yearn for it when you write Java or C# code in the same style

for example

then I use it for about 20 lines
then I #undef it

Kaedenn, what do you think of this?: mychar[i] = (((char*) &mystruct[i])+i);
POD struct

i'm lovin' it

mystruct[i]?

sorry, *mychar[i] = (((char*) &mystruct[i])+i);

is mystruct an array?

its a POD-struct

then why do you have operator[] there?

ints shorts floats etc inside struct
oh sorry lol
mychar[i] = (((char*) &mystruct)+i);

You're beyond me, now. ##c would be of more help than me.
oh, you're reinterpreting the data of a struct

yup

what in gods name are you trying to do?

He's just fooling around, trying to see how structs are laid out in memory.

Kaedenn, but it doesnt always work, sometimes I dont get the actual bits of the float or shorts inside the structs inside the char[]
I just want to memcpy the struct into the char[]

hroi, I think you do, it's just that you're seeing the padding and other stuff the compiler adds in

bit by bit
It shouldnt add padding, as its a POD struct

if you don't want the padding and other stuff, then you need to read the struct member by member.
uh, it can still add padding

so just use memcpy

it can if it wants, POD ornot makes no difference

Bklyn, memcpy results in exactly the same error as I get with this method

Then it's nothing you can fix

that error being?

some compilers have specific ways to disable padding for a type.

ville, then my gcc 4.x.x doesn't conform to the 98 ISO

if you think memcpy is not working, you're mis-interpreting the results
or you're just doing it wrong

of course it does.
as far as this part goes anyway

Bklyn, the error being that the char[] array does not contain the POD-struct members byte after byte…

a struct is not a union

Bklyn, it works for the char members of the struct but not always for the 2,3 or 4 byte members

i'm looking for something like "why c++ and not java" , someone have some article ?

geordi, struct Foo { char c; int d; }; int main() { cout "hroi, check out this padding. a starts at: " offsetof(Foo, c) ',' "d starts at: " offsetof(Foo, d); }

hroi, check out this padding. a starts at: 0,d starts at: 4

struct a { char c; int d; }; int main() { cout sizeof( a ); }

8

Metabol, thanks… maybe I'm starting to see what this problem is

See above oddly enough the padding is in the middle, so both members align with 4.

Metabol, so if a char follows a char, then they are positioned normally at 0 and 1
Metabol, but if an int follows a char then there is a gap

There is no rule about it, upto the compiler.
Use your compiler's facilities to enforce some sort of specific alignment/padding if it offers such things.

ville, I get it, thanks… a new and clearer understanding of structs has appeared to me

and perhaps add some assert using offsetof, I don't know

And use offsetof, it exists for a reason
(Don't use it on non-pod classes)

vill, Metabol, it's a shame that structs may or may not be padded inbetween differently sized variables

Why? I see no problem with it.

problem for portability

Why?

copying structs and setting them using memcpy and other is very useful
but all fails if there is unforseeable padding involved

hroi, it's an essential feature not just for performance, but for execution. The system may be incapable of addressing certain sized data at certain addresses

which is why gods invented file formats rather than raw bit dumps.

Metabol, I understand that yes,, some addresses are a problem

I sometimes think that a possibility for compiletime iteration of the members of a pod struct or even non-pod struct, treating it as a type list, might make doing things like serialization less troublesome

Metabol, do you think its a good idea to use the offsetof() command to attain portability or any better suggestion

hroi, I don't think I know any good solutions for it

Metabol, my result requires that there be no padding

The stream of bits will be equally non-portable no matter what.

Where is the problem with copying structs using memcpy?

Metabol, ville, well a code that produses a 'completely' contiguous bytes, no padding in the char[] array will achieve the portability I need

hroi, if you cannot have any padding then output each member explicitly. In C terms, put_to_bytestream(bytestream, foo.x); put_to_bytestream(bytestream, foo.blah);
s/then/then consider

SlashLife, I now realise there is no problem with memcpy, just that there is some system dependent padding in my structs

hroi, for portability you also need to consider endianness.
Have fun!

and byte size.

Metabel, check!

and type size

I forgot byte size, haha

and negative or fp number representation.

….and after all this you have now written your own specific file format…

Metabol, ok well I'm talking modern portability, modern AMD Intel CPUs, no floats in IBM coding etc…
well, ok lets just call my portability the bl**y struct padding portability

yoho! and a bottle of rum…

How do I make a variable of a class readable but not writeable?

const
!give kazim59 const correctness

Read about const correctness at http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/const-correctness.html and http://www.gotw.ca/gotw/006.htm

why dont you uses java ?

was that to me?

Who says "we" don't?

can you tell me .. I want that whenever the particular variable is written, a routine is called before write takes affect?

*for everybody wanna answer

I've learnt ruby first actually.. it spoiled me somewhat…

I have no pointers in java

make the member private and provide members for get/set
s/members/functions/

g30rg, use references in java hosting is not a good ideia ?

ok… yes I should've thought that
thanks

it's not that bad though
and another reason is that some applications seem to run slow

After you close a file descriptor, if you then attempt to write to the file descriptor, what happens?

g30rg, it's true, but after see eclipse running, i changed ideia

Whats a good library to use for console manipulation,(ex, menu selection)
for linux

actually eclipse is one of the best java progs I have seen
tried ncurses?

ncurses but that might be too low level for you. you should also look over "dialog"
dialog is very nice

I would prefer not to use dialog
you mean the gui dialog right?

well, you could use the CDK instead of dialog

i'm having a problem with a class that uses a template. it's the first time i've used one. http://pastebin.com/m3242f250 is the code
the error is "/home/bky/Onathacar/src/BkysLinkedList.h:56: error: expected ; before ( token" and similar errors a few times

lol,

there is no cell*
so there you need cellType
but what is Type? you havent properly defined the member of class template
ignore the last line

i need to return a pointer to a cell type

so you need cellType
there is no cell type

types

"cell" is a family of types if you wish

so i can't pass a pointer to one?

you can pass pointers to cellsometype
not to cell
understand?

that's what i am trying to do, hence "cellType*"

Type* GetContents(cell* Cell) should instead be Type* GetContents(cellType* Cell)
but you didnt used cellType
that's the problem
it's the same error in the following functions receiving cell* which doesnt exist as I told you

oh, i forgot to change that line. how dumb of me…

….

thank you. i knew it was stupid. lol

that and GetNext and GetBefore

i used to have cell as a part of the class, but moved it

hey, where can I find help with make files and linux kernel modules programming?

on irc.kernelnewbies.org/#kernelnewbies

and now for real.

it wasnt a joke
I get help there pretty often
….

hehe ok thanks I will look there =0

!help

is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.

!help list

(list [–private] [plugin]) — Lists the commands available in the given plugin. If no plugin is given, lists the public plugins available. If –private is given, lists the private jvm web hosting plugins.

!list

Admin, Amazon, Anonymous, Babelfish, BadWords, CAlias, Channel, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Filter, Format, Freenode, Games, Google, Insult, Karma, Lart, Lookup, Math, Misc, MoobotFactoids, Owner, Praise, QuoteGrabs, Reply, Scheduler, Seen, Services, ShrinkUrl, Status, String, Unix, UrbanDict, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web

!games help
!games

d1zzy, thank's they helped alot

!list games

coin, dice, eightball, monologue, and roulette

!games monologue

Your current monologue is at least 2 lines long.

cool

!games coin

tails

!gtames monologue
!games monologue

Your current monologue is at least 2 lines long.

!games eightball

NO!

!games roulette

*BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!

!games roulette

*click*

RUssian roulette
!games dice

times. For example, 2d6 will roll 2 six-sided dice; 10d10 will roll 10 ten-sided dice.

!games dice 2d4

4 and 3

!games dice -3d-5
!games dice 3d1e8
!games dice 1d2000000000000000000
!games dice 20000000000000000000d20

!list

they've thought of everything

Admin, Amazon, Anonymous, Babelfish, BadWords, CAlias, Channel, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Filter, Format, Freenode, Games, Google, Insult, Karma, Lart, Lookup, Math, Misc, MoobotFactoids, Owner, Praise, QuoteGrabs, Reply, Scheduler, Seen, Services, ShrinkUrl, Status, String, Unix, UrbanDict, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web

!games dice 5d0
!games dice 0d20

I tried to send you an empty message.

hah

whats a good IRC lib for c++
or is that OS dependent?

of coure

Atalanta, check out http://74.52.199.194/scotty/browser/trunk not a library per-say but eventually

Question. What happens to an iterator if I use the prefix operator++ to incriment it past the end of the container?
Does the standard mandate it to have some value?

U to the B

Blargh.
I'll add a manual check then.

yeah ill start workin on scotty with you guys ok?

Hello people. A struct in C++ is a class too, right ?

It's not "a class, too", but it's pretty identical to a class.

Hey guys, I'm looking for a text merge library… anyone have any ideas?

text merge?
What's that?

Atalanta, I dont mind. there isnt a whole lot of direction yet though… Bigcheese is the other woirking on it

yeah i know. i was told two times but i forgot after the first, and remembered since last time

think cvs update. The code from cvs merges with your code… same idea

but then again, i dont know anything about boost or IRC protocols. so i dont know what i can offer. but ill try

Ah, I see… hm, no idea. Maybe you can extract the code from svn?

I thought of that… but finding a library should be easier… I would hope

msvc asserts here

Atalanta, well. I have the IRC protocol covered pretty well. there some interface decisions that need to be made. that client is merely example code. I need to make it into an API but i'm not sure what the public functions will look like. An irc bot will be built on top of it

Yeah, but I was wondering if the standard guarenteed anything, litb.

things like, user authentication, command parsing

irc bot sounds like something i can do (but probably so can anyone else) and maybe i can help make it into an API

I was having issues figureing out how auth should work
and then school started ;P

actually, i had the following: for(unsigned i=vec.size(); i0; i–) { … do something and maybe delete a item. access it with vec[i-1]… }

But that's safe.

and i did: vec.insert(vec.begin() + i-1, other.begin(), other.end());
and guess what happend

heh it seems downloading those files includes the line numbers. if this were BASIC it wouldnt be a problem though
ahh i found a way to download it

you can check it out i believe with svn

actually, it did the "vec.begin()+i" first, and after that, it subtracted the 1.. when vec had no stuff in it, it asserted then, since i added one too much

svn co http://74.52.199.194/scotty
i think

/svn/scotty
trac also allows you to veiw the raw file
view*

mr_icantdecide ?
just a suggestion

!lart llmb

mr the shift key is too close to enter on this keyboard

atleast i was usefull
hehe ok

laptop?

indeed
i really hate laptop keyboards :/

Codex_, lets change, i gave you a dell cpx

!quote Atalanta

well i do like sucking cock…

fun and erotica in ##c++-social please

lol

plus you can use 'svn cat'

are shown as different types (and indeed are), though C automatically converts void () to void (*)() … is there any way possible to make a SINGLE call_func that can accept either of the two functor types? I want to allow the user to be able to choose either function syntax and have them be compatible.

thats not C, its gcc
that converts a function to a ptr-to-function

oh, visual c++ does that as well
is that not in C89 or C99 at all?

one sec lemme see your example

thank you. i tried to make it as simple as possible. my real library allows any number of return types / parameters, and wraps standard functions and member functions + object pointers, but is obviously a lot bigger and harder to read.
the issue seems to be caused because template paramters are super, super picky with no implicit conversion like C itself.

Hey guys. Given two text files, I want to merge them together. Similar to how cvs will merge the servers copy with your copy. Can anyone think of an easy way to do this? I can't seem to find a library that'll do it anywhere!

!google libdiff

Search took 0.28 seconds: CVS log for cvs/diff/ libdiff .dsp: http://cvsweb.xfree86.org/cvsweb/cvs/diff/libdiff.dsp; Makefile.in generated by automake 1.7.9 from Makefile.am …: http://cvsweb.xfree86.org/cvsweb/cvs/diff/Makefile.in?rev=1.4; [dcms-cvs] cvs commit: pcms/ libdiff diff3.c: http://www.opencm.org/pipermail/opencm-cvs/2001-December/000066.html; [dcms-cvs] cvs commit: pcms/tests (1 more message)

http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=39518

look for three way merge.

you might like people, but they hate you

this is no good

afaik remember the programm cervisia could do a 3 way merge

what is the problem, exactly?

g30rg, Codex_o can meld. The problem is I need a library for a 2 way merge… not a program

I'd imagine you wuold be able to swipe code from (say) diff, patch, cvs or svn

and some prefer functorreturntype (*)(params), but the two are not compatible

hmm

i'd like to work around that if possible, so people can use either one and theyll still work with a function that takes either

would a sentry object look up the state of the string as it is currently, or as it was at construction time?

&f); without an error, and the reverse as well

I'd just say look at the boost.function code to see how it works, but I don't think the "functorret (*)()" form makes any sense

what is a sentry?

it makes more sense because C++ member functions dont have implicit conversion like C global functions

Codex_, std

you have installed ruby by hand long before using emerge?

no, happent to me too and had to qfile zoneinfo on another system
s/no/np/

into local, i think i have sneaked /usr/local somewhere
….

You know, I swear, mac os x has rotted my brain.

That's what Macs do

winter-mute: then you need to remove it first then procede with emerge
else conflict is inevitable

here it is, debugging saves the day, only where the heck does /usr/local/bin appears there from .. ':|

winter-mute: ls /usr/local/bin

no I need to remove it looking from /usr/local, /usr/local should never be touched by package systems.
its the opposite problem. I can do whatever I want there and it shouldn't matter, besides libraries of course.

winter-mute: echo $PATH

I think I may have missed a few things from the livecd
network-admin isn't recognized

my path from root is fine, i think its one of the /etc files.

it may not be entirely your fault as sometimes livecd works flawlessly but other time, there may be a glitch
winter-mute: can you paste the output?

aye, but without network-admin, what am i supposed to do?

emerge it

My ethernet cable isn't being recognized at all

hi all

From where? I don't have internet

welll, do it manually

my gentoo gcc have been droped ,emerge -sync have completed,help!

/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.1.2:/usr/i386-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.3:/opt/ghc/bin:/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.03/bin:/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.03/jre/bin:/usr/kde/3.5/sbin:/usr/kde/3.5/bin:/usr/qt/3/bin:/usr/kde/3.4/sbin:/usr/kde/3.4/bin:/usr/kde/3.3/sbin:/usr/kde/3.3/bin:/usr/kde/3.2/sbin:/usr/kde/3.2/bin:/opt/firebird/bin

I told you, I haven't used linux hosting a day in my life

the problem is however is here:
,
/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/lib/portage/bin:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.1.2:/usr/i386-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.3:/opt/ghc/bin:/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.03/bin:/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.03/jre/bin:/usr/kde/3.5/sbin:/usr/kde/3.5/bin:/usr/qt/3/bin:/usr/kde/3.4/sbin:/usr/kde/3.4/bin:/usr/kde/3.3/sbin:/usr/kde/3.3/bin:/usr/kde/3.2/sbin:/usr/kde/3.2/bin:/opt/firebird/bin

where ruby:,/usr/local/bin/ruby

winter-mute: eeew flood

my grep reveals no preclusions of /usr/local/bin before /bin

http://rafb.net/paste

what?!

Jell-O-Fishi: weird, look at that: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-4150246.html#4150246

winter-mute: we can only help you if you turn off your ICE :p

On the laptop, I have the line Setting terminal encoding to uft8, and on the other not… And the settings are the same!

be careful, maybe it's neuromancer trying to trick you

bonsaikitten,I have droped my gcc ,how to reinstall it ?

you can try emerge -pv network-admin ( i dont' know if that is a pakcage) then use the comp with network download require deps and packge and copy it to /usr/portage/distfiles/ and emerge it!

corporate grade only

oh noes :p
heheh

:p

winter-mute: so you want to hide /usr/local/bin?

no you are not getting my root password
not sure where it comes from

what do you mean with "droped"

rm -rf i686-pc-linux-gnu

i gues it's broken

probably means he unmerged it

bonsaikitten ,rm -rf /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu

he nuked it!

yeah … I figured that much
err … why?!?!

heh

-pv is what option?

oh man

no use unmerged it ,my friend use redhat ,hi don't know gcc link to it ,so drop it

is –pretend and verbose

–pretend –verbose, pretend doesnt install package and verbose shows more info on USE flags and stuff like that

Oh

http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/default-linux/ — get a binary package from there
don't let muppets have root access …

Guys I really need help… I'm struggling with one computer to enable UTF8 and I don't know why It doesn't take it in account…
on my laptop it works, on the desktop it doesn't

bonsaikitten,oh,i downloading now

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-4150246.html

bonsaikitten ,where is gcc ?

hi, I'm not sure if I should be asking this here (or in #kde), but how do I access my camera with digikam as a non-root user?

gg__, be sure to be in video group

sys-devel/ I think

check permissions on cam device, also you need to be in plugdev i think

oh,i found it in ALL

renihs, I am.

my grep reveals no places in /etc where /usr/local/bin is set
before the /bin and /usr/bi
/usr/bin

waste of bullet, use a hammer instead
sup?

gg__, check permisions on cam device

renihs, how do I do that?

Just very aggravating
1AM and I want

which package to emerge in gentoo to get the c++ support in vim

gg__, ls -l /dev/v4l?
or whatever your cam device is
/dev/video…somewhere

oh, PSPJunkie sort your network problem out and you can sleep

dont have a cam plugged here, dunno by heart

renihs, it's a digital camera… is that where it gets mounted or whatever?

That's the plan

I don't have /dev/v4l

gg__, re-plug it and check dmesg|?ail
tail

gg__, user is member of plugdev?

id your_user_name
wait, that sounds wrong

(three separate lines) usb 2-1: USB disconnect, address 2 line2) usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 3 line3) usb 2-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
cahoot, no… but I remember when I installed gentoo it said that plugdev is not recognized or something
you know, when I created my daily user with useradd.

run "id" as normal user

cd_rom, plugdev is not listed.

hi all

gg__, the udev rule for libgphoto would tell what group you need to be in

do I just add it to /etc/groups ?

Hi all, never installed Gentoo before and having troubles getting X To start, Failed to load module "GLCore" and "ati" - no idea how to install these drivers :/

in livedvd i have smooth picture, what's wrong?

cahoot, I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with udev… how do I use it?

you are using kde, right? did you compile with dbus, hal?

can anyone connect to http://gentoo-wiki.com ?

use Google's cache

uhm
how?

bonsaikitten,i have tar xvf gcc 3.4.6 ,how use gcc-config let system use new gcc

cd_rom, no, I use xfce… I only installed digikam alone, and I don't remember enabling the dbus USE flag.

what's a good alternative to etc-update? (not GUI, i dont let GUI touch my config files.)

hmm
dispatch-conf?

seriously, i must have used the bare-minumum install

dispatch-conf

thanks

modprobe is 'command not found'

plz help

argh

gg__, pgrep udev return a number?

u haev been halped?

good suggestion, use minimal install cd, lean and fast!

bonsaikitten,what is argh?

cahoot, 1112

Skankerpotimous:

bonsaikitten:?

you aren't using the tools the way they are intended

rawr

gg__, so udev is running

When you run emerge it tells you to go read a man page that contains all the config update program choices

yeah, until you can't install anything else

hello, gentoo-wiki.com down ?? someone confirm please

looks like it

it tells to run emerge –help

use Google's cache

brr

how?

gcc-config doesn't know about it because you didn't use portage to install the package

and i dont feel like installing a bunch of them, so im asking for a good (non-GUI) one

o
but ,if i use gcc , as command not found

gg__, does ls -a /etc/udev/rules.d list some file named libgphoto or such?

right, your system is terminally braindamaged

cahoot, 99-libgphoto2.rules

I don't know what got deleted, might be easier to reinstall

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:8N5lh-XkSEgJ:gentoo-wiki.com/+gentoo-wiki&hl=en&gl=uk&strip=1

which package to emerge in gentoo to get the c++ support in vim

thx

gg__, cat that file to see what group gets ownership to cameras

They wouldn't be in portage unless someone though they where worth it, so there is no real answer to your question, it's relgion…

just google for gentoo-wiki, you should see cache at the bottom,that is where you access google cache, same to others

bonsaikitten,my system are runing a lot's of application ,can't reintall and can't stop now

cahoot, plugdev..

argh!

)

cd_rom ?

cahoot, so I just add the entry manually to /etc/groups ?

gg__, so add you user to plugdev, logout, login

why do you try to make it as difficult as possible …

ok

sorry slackbr

np

it meant for slacker_

given 'uri', do a Google search for 'uri'
it will give you a results page, including a 'Cached' link

lol

hiushiudhis

best bet is to reinstall everything in system from binary packages

gg__, I can't say what tool is recommended for adding user to group - personally I use vigr

both beat by tab key

how to make portage(emerge command) know about some custome ebuilds

Hm, can someone emerge `schedutils'? The mirror just gives 404..

overlay

overlay?

you can effectively search gentoo-wiki.com doing searches like so: 'terms terms site:gentoo-wiki.com', and you'll get 'Cached' links for all results

rarw

lol

Thank you cahoot.

np

wiki aszxer updated ebuild

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Create_an_Updated_Ebuild

wrong guy

too slow

lol

It's always a good idea to have several mirrors in case your main one isn't updated for a few days
bIt's always a good idea to have several mirrors in case your main one isn't updated for a few days/b

bonsaikitten,binary packages?i just want use gcc compile my application,wu wu wu

hrmm?

I mean the download url in the ebuild returns 404..

reisio try type "sla" and hit tab two times LOL

some muppet killed most of your system

meh

it's slacker_ not slackbr

when will they just port irssi's tab completion to XChat

reisio 3 times

hit that muppet a few times, then install everything in emerge -ep system from binpkgs

http://xrl.us/27p9
I get it

reisio

wtf, now it isn't reading my cdrom

Your in a really bad shape if you kill the base system, reinstalling is definately the best option for it. :/

hey guys! How do I know what modules I need to load?

jeez, what you mean?

When the system boots

bonsaikitten,if i use emerge -ep gcc , missing /etc/make.profile error

aaaaaaargh

are you reinstalling?

take a baseball bat and beat the person who killed your system
then reinstall

XD

I put in my cdrom, and try to get to it in terminal by cd /mnt/cdrom

get a lawyer too

and ls reads nothing

mount it

you need to mount it first
oh man

Alex_123, by knowing what hw you want supported

Run profile-config if it's just make.profile symlink thats gone you might be able to recover.

try mount /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom
that is "mount /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom"

this stuff is killing me… can you refer me to a link or so that describes modules?
bthis stuff is killing me… can you refer me to a link or so that describes modules?/b
bthis stuff is killing me… can you refer me to a link or so that describes modules?/b

bonsaikitten ,now my gentoo can bootcan run oraclecan run db2 just can't use gcc and missing /etc/make.profile

Alex_123, ratehr hw and functions

no medium found

happy happy …
will be fun to recover

Alex_123, I doubt there is any place to refer to - it's hard to avoid some menial tasks

Miravlix ,how use profile-config command ?

so is there a list of modules somewhere atleast?

Please try to run it and read the help before asking for help, it's not a complicated program

none that would be of practical use

bonsaikitten,he he ,happy ?then you login on my system and repaire it ,haha

so what do you suggest I do?

you pay me the usual hourly rates?

Alex_123, you have to painstakingly work your way through menuconfig

lesson to learn, don't let random people mess with your computers

grep 'export PATH' /usr/lib/portage/bin/ebuild.sh ?

I thought I can skip that with an old config?

i don't have access to another gentoo system

I already compiled a kernel for use

bonsaikitten ,i know ,don't let anyone touch my computer after this event

Alex_123, if the old config was ok then you can skip to compile

wonder why there are local paths in the build section

I have, but now the handbook tells me to edit:
Editing /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6

Alex_123, unless you want to enable/disable some option

# nano -w /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6

bonsaikitten ,haha ,i can pay you chinese money ,but you can't use it in your controuy

please i have i dumb doubt but i need ask it anyway…. how many time in you machine takes to unpack the stage 3 ?? and what is the config of you machine ??

I'll use it during my next holidays

every one who is reading please awnser

about 5 minutes on a reasonably fast machine

About 15 seconds, and please don't prompt the room like that.

astinus-work what you mean by prompt the room like that ?

anyone have issues with stage3-i686 ?

bonsaikitten ,then i'll pay during your next holidays

no

If people are able to answer, they will. There's no need to demand everyone answer

im getting some major issues, when i try to upgrade binutils it crashes and /bin/bash dissapears

I'll just enter the module the handbook mentions then..

astinus-work ok …

It really depends on what HDDs you have installed, if you're using some kind of RAID array, whether they are IDE, SATA, SCSI or SAS .. if its a RAID array, is it rebuilding? Loads of factors.

Try running "hash -r". Some programs recently changed locations and you have to clear the location cache to correct the problem.

On a sixteen drive RAID array ( 16 x 146GB 15,000rpm SAS ) which isn't rebuilding, configured in RAID-10; it takes about 15 seconds

ahhh i didnt think of that!
AllenJB, thanks ill try that

astinus-work is my first install, iam running it on virtual pc from microsoft, i ask because that, to know more or less the performace of virtual pc

bonsaikitten,use binarry gcc 3.4.6 have some errors like this :/lib/ld-linux.so.2: definition of _rtld_global_ro@@GLIBC_PRIVATE

If it ain't done in 15 minutes, chances are you have a problem

AllenJB, its behaving now, thanks

ah, that's not good
you might have needed gcc 4.1
I really suggest a reinstall, it's faster …

?
bonsaikitten, maybe ,i try gcc other version can deal it

Where can I find out what modules to enter in /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6 ?

Is there a specific peice of hardware you're trying to get working?

Just my whole laptop

Alex_123, what he meant was what is not working i guess

It's a Presario v5209usn and its a new install…

could you tell me who did gentoo_ice skin (which was used in XMMS/BMP/Audacious)?

emerge -n portage-utils && qlist audacious probably can, one way or another

lspci (from the pciutils package) while list most of your hardware. You can then use this to select the modules in the kernel configuration (make menuconfig) - if you select the help option on a module it should tell you its name. If you're stuck, ask here about a specific item.

hmm… been out of the loop with gentoo for a while, and now I can't sync portage. just keep timing out. anyone know what might be up?

ok thanks, I'll go for that

Can you browse the web or ping other domains from the same machine?

yup, I'm talking to you on the machine… web works fine

hi
should I add this ? -fomit-frame-pointer"
what does that do? compile faster?

if unsure leave defaults

well I'd like ppl's opinions

Can you pastebin the output of "emerge –info" please?

My default CFLAGS is CFLAGS="-O3 -march=athlon64 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"

wiki imaginas cflags

http://gentoo-wiki.com/CFLAGS

you got mine already

the wiki is down, i believe

There is no default CFLAGS, can't really leave it…

so use Google's cache

ok

i don't need it

http://pastebin.com/d15e1cff6

so why tell me it's down

why -O3 ? I've got -O2 is slower?

just informed you, as you referred someone to it

there is some debate, but I believe -O2 is still preferred by most atm
if it's down and they visit it, they can probably inform me themselves

you don't need to make this complicated; i haven't done anything wrong by informing you

I'm running a server and a workstation both with -O3, as long as you let packages with forced -O have there way, -O3 seems safe

you know what, I'll try one with O3 and the other with O2 lol
solved!!

it's not wrong, but _you_ have made it complicated
it would be simple

dilema solved!

I give someone a link, if it doesn't work, they tell me about it, then I tell them how to make it work
instead people are constantly telling me 'dude the wiki's down'
I know, the world is not going to end

Have you tried again? It could be just that one mirror in the rotation wasn't responding. If you try again it should select another mirror

I tried several times in a row, with no result, but just now I tried again, and it worked :-/

I'm not interested in having a plan b for every possible scenario :p If they're too newbie to respond with 'no workie', that's their problem

relax… no need to pollute the channel with this argument; i was only trying to be helpful if you couldn't tell

so you're probably right… 1 of the rotation servers was down and I kept getting the same one from dns caching or some such. anyway. I'm good now

I am relaxed, you were polluting, that is the point :p

Ok, this make menuconfig thingy, is WAY over my head… Is there a Guide somewhere?

and I realize you didn't mean anything by it

march - Everyone needs to set this up for there platform. -pipe if you have the ememory it will speed up compilation. -fomit-frame-pointer is a very safe CFLAG that speed things up and removes crud.

"//gentoo_ice was created by Jamie McDonald using Adobe Photoshop 7." - does anyone here have email hosting for him?

I hate this
yo ssh + scree is awsome

ask seemant

*screen

Gentoo already strips all binaries of debug info and -fomit-frame-pointer is just another thing like strip that should be done on live systems

not by default

-fomit-frame-pointer has pros and cons, like most CFLAGS

If we had my cflags as reconmendation, it would solve a big support issue
No it doesn't
It's bad to have the flag in an application you run through a debugger

err … what you say?

yes it does (look, I can make pointless claims, too)

it would make _your_ problems less, but at what cost?

My problem?
I've been a C/C++ programmer for 20+ years, I sure don't have issues personally with choosing CFLAGS

so don't change the defaults that have been known to work well

What default?
CFLAGS is empty as default

dont arouse bonsaikitten in public

hehe

bdf“`: exactly

bonsaikitten,

Do you seriusly reconmend we all run without -march and atleast -O2 on live systems?

oh snap! I pushed the download to the background with links now I don't know how to check if it's finished or not!!
pleas halp!

Horray for unpacking the stage3 tarball in 15 seconds

by default, he probably meant -O2, -pipe and -march

I don't know how check if links is finish downloading!!!
please this is holding me back
:'-(

Read the manual

bring up the menus and it's in there somewhere

OMG!!

O_o

is there a way to change TTY inside ssh?

nope

not afaik, each ssh session its own tty

why not? that's retarded

ald+d
to check download

thanks!

screen …

if you want a new ssh tty, start a new ssh session
or use screen

Thats not the Unix way, under Unix you use a bunch of programs together to acomplish goals. Instead of duplicating the same code over and over, so ssh does ssh, screen does sessions, etc.

I have scree
start screen on the remote computer? or on the local?

the remote

openoffice configure is failing
checking the installed JDK… configure: error: JDK is too old, you need at least 1.3

remote, so you don't need multiple ssh sessions

:|
*) Blackdown JDK 1.4.2.03 [blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.03]

maybe you have yo poke java-config a bit

portage-latest.tar.bz2: OK — does this tell me that the download is complete?

Hmmm, it needs sun-jdk?

i guess so
what, blackdown has always been fine

LSD`: before chrooting right?

Then why is it complaining your 1.4 is too old?

thats the confusing part
i actually have installed it with blackdown before

oh shit
I kill my ssh!!

now i changed a useflag and its complaining

language …

you probably haven't lost anything, just start a new session

uh… what fs is on the initrd image on the gentoo minimal cd?

can I replace within a bash script? I need something like NEWVAR=replace(OLDVAR, 'from', 'to')

someone can advice me good file browser? not konquerror..

_nightw0lf^ by good you mean what ?

_nightw0lf^, Krusader perhaps

_nightw0lf^: I use Dolphin (KDE 4 File Manager)

heh, I use mc mostly for file browsing

mc is great

_nightw0lf^: GUI + File Browser = ugh, just never anyone thats made good ones in a GUI environment.

I'm a Norton COmmand user from way back, mc was a perfect fit

As others has mentioned the only real choice for one seems to be using text mode mc

i just use cd ./ ls for file browsing

ok thanks guys.

how big is portage supposed to be?
I think I might've screwed it up

50 GB

o0

For everything before unpacking it.

o0

90 GB for a full portage mirror.

lol

o.0

it's ok for portage like this? 485M

distfiles ?

What are you asking, imaginas?

there's over 100,000 files in there. They may look small but they all add up

that step in the handbook fails but once I chroot is fixed

What is this portage your asking?

the size of the portage tree I'm guessing

cause I have portage on its own partition
485M 232M 228M 51% /mnt/gentoo/usr/portage
I don't know how it ran out of space

…

erm

as I said once I chroot and emerge sync is ficed

480mb for portage?
thats….greedy

gimp is a photoshop isnt it ?

du -h /mnt/gentoo/usr/portage/distfiles

and shortseighted :p

The portage directory gets quite big depending on what configuration you have

well distfiles is seprate

what is portage ? is the package portage-latestlalalal.tar.bz ???

1008M 34M 924M 4% /mnt/gentoo/usr/portage/distfiles

your portage tree should be about 449M

that's too small too

Aah, without distfiles it's smaller

1gb for distfiles :p

bdf“` not really gimp is more use full in webdesign only

oh no!!!!!!!!

yeah, you'd want an extra 1Gb for distfiles

compress lol

even cleaned up, I used to have about 1.2GB of distfiles

damn I am 5M shot

/dev/mapper/vg-portage 4.0G 2.8G 1.1G 72% /usr/portage

slackbr, i need photoshop for linux , what should i use ? something thats available via portage

lol, 5M wont matter much

6.9G /usr/portage/distfiles/

bdf“`: gimpshop

:p

Thats just portage, without distfiles

hey I know why it ran out cause is installing ALL archs

a 2Gb portage partition should do you for a very long time

is not filtered yet at this point

LSD`, thanks

LSD` gimpshop is not only a GUI like the gui photoshop ??

can someone give me a hand to disable a kernel patch (Longggg story)

but do you have distfiles separetely?

i tryed looking in the ebuild but there isnt a list of patches

/dev/mapper/vg-distfiles 7.0G 4.7G 2.2G 69% /usr/portage/distfiles

it's part of an eclass iirc

re
gw2 ~ # passwd maya
5 C405BAO 2AAB0=28BL A2545=8O 0CB5=B8D8:0F88

ah cheers

so why when I am in chroot and I emerge –sync it doesn't complain about space?

how to fix this ?

it makes the (horrendous) GIMP GUI look more like photoshop

gimp gui shows why gtk is not a good choice

Could you do LANG=C passwd maya

could someone explain this why when I emerge –sync in chroot it doesn't complain about space?

is gentoo-wiki down?

Then around 95% of us would have a chance of atleast reading the error message

Miravlix, gw2 ~ # LANG=C passwd maya
Authentication information cannot be recovered

it was a design decission rather than a GTK limitation
yes

I am talking about portage contained partition and distfiles separately

don't bother seperating them, make a huge /usr partition and put it there

600M for portage to let it grow and shrink, which it naturally does, and 1Gb for distfiles (or more if you're lazy and don't maintain), but there's not much point creating seperates for both parts
I've lumped all portage related stuff in /var/portage on it's own partition, works well
where it's suppose to be, i might add ~

Miravlix, have any ideas ?

or use eclean peroidicly

http://pastebin.com/m4b041a0a , I've tried to emerge glib.. but noting has been changed on the output.

I've wondered if reiser4 wouldn't be an awesome /usr/portage

_nightw0lf^: xmms … you're funny

might do

if it ever becomes really stable … maybe

why?

at least until it kills your files and hides their remains

mayby is's after vipw -s

_nightw0lf^: xmms has been removed from gentoo for a reason

yeah but even if it corrupts everything in there is downloadable

_nightw0lf^: XMMS was dropped from portage
thus, not supported
because it sucks

that doesn't sound like a reason. .heh
there is a replacement forget the name

audacious

yarr, corrupting things is fun !?

XMMS2 is being worked on, and there's audacious

yes but I'm compiling that for a reason aswell.. i want to use the play keys with adesklets and it uses some xmms plugin..

_nightw0lf^: heh, have fun then

audacious is, iirc, a fork of the xmms 1 codebase

and please don't bug us with non-gentoo-problems then

Mobile Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz

LSD`: yeah, ugly, but at least maintained

is there an option to have those keys from audacious?

is gentoo-wiki down?

_nightw0lf^: I don't know

yes

aye

i686 Pentium M/Celeron i think

i think my system will take 2 days to be up and running

hey guys is the gentoo-wiki.. just kidding

funny man ~

if my subnet mask is 255.255.255.0 what is the CIDR notation for 192.168.1.0?

pentium4, pentium m or core1 depending on exactly what sort of mobile celly it is

ok thanks anyways, I will keep on mind about the non-portage questions. thanks for the warning

192.168.1.0/24

I can't change the flags then

thanks

LSD`: how do I check?
15

Hi guys, do you know where can I find islsm driver for a wireless card?

cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "model name"

can't I use xargs to execute a single command for every line instead of one command for the while thing?

Now to configure the kernel for the new box

aidanjt, grep "model name" /proc/cpuinfo
i snicer

Mobile Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz

my first intel pc

*shrug* i just liking 'cat'ing things

what subarchitecture type am i ?
im running a Core2Duo and the config hasnt selected pc-compatible

so select pc-compat.

kernel doesn't autodetect, it's pc compatible

traces of gentoo-wiki.com seems fine.

kernel config*

ah cheers

But the web server on the machine is somewhat unresponsive

I need edit /mnt/gentoo/etc/make.conf ? the configs looks like just fine to me ?

it's probably something to do with the proxy/web interaction

so just leave defaults

Too funny, my EU machine is closer to the Gentoo wiki server, than my US one.

bonsaikitten I mean "looks like just fine" but I dont know about programing or install gentoo, can I really leave the defaults ? other thing is, what is the diference between the optimization 1 2 3 ??

1 2 3 ?

bonsaikitten the flag -O with the optimization 1 2 or 3

-O1 is some optimisations, -O2 is normal optmisations, and -O3 is do at your own risk optimisations

aidanjt lol, but what that really mean ? eg: if a have a apache compiled with -03 for exemple, the server will run more fast ?

there's also -Os, opmise code for small size
probably not, it would more likely barf chunks at you when you least expect it

on average -O2 is best, -O3 can be faster, but that depends on the application
-O1 is quite rare and might not work as expected

best compiling daemons with -O2 (or -Os)

`-O2'
Optimize even more. GCC performs nearly all supported

-03 generates larger binarys which may slowdown execution*

optimizations that do not involve a space-speed tradeoff.

* dont quote me

so the celeron is this CFLAGS="-march=pentium4

ever benchmarked -O2 vs. -Os?

naw, I just applied common sense, -Os for CPUs with small caches, and -O2 for CPUs with 1Mb or more

does anyone know what filesystem is on the initrd-image on the gentoo minimal/install cd? cause i can't mount it

probably is benchmarks flying around the 'net somewhere

slackbr: it's O as in Optimisation, not 0. get a better font

info gcc, Invoking GCC, Optimize Options

gw2 / # LANG=C passwd maya
Authentication information cannot be recovered
pplz how to fix it ?

haha. terminals r0ck . still installing gentoo

MAKEOPTS for a regular, 1-CPU system
MAKEOPTS="-j2"

well, -Os saves about 2% on size, so I wonder …

why do I have this? CHOST="i486-pc-linux-gnu"

makeopts is to I write in make.conf ??

sounds like you killed pam
silly default, do not change

any simple irc-client/bot in portage I can run on my server? I just need a drone in a chan to watch my op, and be able to give it back if I loose connection

if you want to change it read the chost update guide

yup, though if you have something like a Core 2 it would probably be better to use -O2, since the extra instructions are probably more efficent and there's tons of cache there

this is the installation

IMHO anyway

gentoo optimization

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gcc-optimization.xml

is not on a finish system
can I change then to i686?

still, read the update guide or I'll punch you

lol

I guess it depends on how much faith you have in the GCC devs

yeah, we need benchmarks

imaginas, generaly you shouldnt change it ,

gentoo imaginas change chost

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/change-chost.xml

but….

hmm anyone around experienced in initrd's and pivot_root issues?

makeopts is to I write in make.conf ??

As per the baove guide, changing your hcost would require you to re-emerge every package you have installed

sorry for ask again i don't mean that …

not sure if my foo is strong enough, but … ask
yes

tks

and you should try to use english grammar

this is the BRAND new installation

slackbr, yea put it in make.conf

I should be ok. Or not?

yeah, as long as you stick to the chost guide
better to break a new install than a working system

sad… i can compile stuff 200 times faster then i can download it

sometimes it seems some IRC clients have set "howto" and "guide" in a default /ignore list…

might want to add "parallel-fetch" to your FEATURES var

tis allready there. I've got a fibre link at work (dialup at home) so i'll get some scripts happening

ahh
nice

yep. Systems admin wont get me either hehe
cause i am him

lol

logrotate is confusing me =/ i want it to rotate every week, but to keep the old logfiles forever.. not to delete them..
how can i do that ?

no DSL/cable around the ole homeplace eh/

ok I change the chost AFTER i finish the installation

hello getting the error "please re-emerge x11-libs/cairo with the X USE flag set". how do I fix this problem

nope. really enoying. Cant get ANYTHING!
australia ftl

ouch :/
lol

hi

lol

get some kangaroos to carry packets for me
would be faster

probably would

set "X to your USE flags" and re-emerge x11-libs/cairo

dialup sucks so bad

uh… well WHAT does it say?

31.2k btw

nice one

how do I use the X flag?

not even full speed

I feel for ya

edit your /etc/make.conf and edit the USE=

been a debian boy beforehand, trying gentoo

you're a good passive to active converter

I know I mage a mistak upon donwloading

if all information is provided

add "X" to the USE variable in /etc/make.conf

/etc/portage/package.use

you should check out `ufed;, it's in the portage tree

either add it to make.conf, or you can add it to the /etc/portage/packages.use file, or you can read the guide/docs on how to use portage

yeah. The day they let he have dsl they will regret it mwahahahhaha

what do i have to do with anything?

if you are using an X window system you should set it in /etc/make.conf

I would hate having a job where I have a fibre link and having to go home to dialup lol, I'd probably live in work instead

try typing two letters before using tab completion

Frigolit, ok editing the file make.conf, ok what flag do I add please

please any know a fast gentoo mirror ? but no gentoo.inode.at, and please don't said to a choice one close to me, the fisical distance only really matters in ping, the download speed is controled by server bandwith

I even finally did a direct copy + paste (it's from a .pdf)
lol, guess this is going to be a longer road than I though

Thought it would be
dayid what is the error?
dayid Pastebin your code

scottDkoDer

//rpm.livna.org/livna-release-7.rpm"
weird, only 300/1000 megs of memory used…but my CPU usage spikes to like 40% on and off

audaucity is in Fedora audacity-nonfree is in Livna

sort by cpu usage, and if you still can't see what's causing the spikes run htop as root.

i am running as sudo
do i need to su - ?

and if you still can't see what's causing the spikes it's probably kernel related
no

pidgin
wow….
what a piece of crap
it is constantly kicking me offline also
can NEVER stay connected
however, i think gaim was the same way

pidgin sucks…wont conn to msn
amsn has no problem though

pidgin connects for AIM and MSN with me, but always disconnects

EvilBob, Thanks, you'er one in a million. The link and the RPMs worked great.
EvilBob++

just ask next time will save you a lot of troble
trouble

holy crap, pidgin alone spikes to 25% CPU usage

some of us even have the repos mirrored in case there is a real problem

does amsn have multiprotocal abilities so i can sign onto AIM, MSN and IRC at the same time ?

a "spike" really doesn't mean anything, if it stays like that you've got a problem

amsn is msn only

forexample I have Livna mirrored on a server in my offfice and on my laptop for development

hummm
well, it spikes on and off every 5 - 10 seconds

EvilBob, Very cool.

i don't know, i'm seriously having lagging issues…also with applets in firefox….like on yahoo finance page…the buttons at the top of the screen a VERY slow to drop down….

Im using FC6 and when I connect my digital camera I get a new window and can see the paths and files, but when I click on a path I get "Could not read file Could not lock the device."

after a while and esp after i clear out the cache it's much more responsive
you may have your pictures locked….check the settings on the camera, or try and view the pics as root

wow you must have lots of space for junk

if root does'nt work, then it's the cam settings

have you tried another browser (like konqueror)?

4.4TiB in the office about 500GiB accessible from the laptop

yeah, i don't like konqueror
i'm a firefox guy at heart

l0ckx, you might need to look into named

Very cool — it unpacked a 45 minute MP3 in about a minute — way better than on my 400Mhz Windows machine. Woooooooo!

Hey Harley-D

I'm just saying as a test to see if you get the same issues

EvilBob, hiya

named ?
"named" is the name of an app ?
please forgive me, i'm somewhat new
only been using Fedora for 8 months

hrm I wish I could remember what I did w/ RH6 funny how GUI's screw sh*t up

l0ckx, named provides DNS also knowed as bind

B-very carefull when you use any bind or dns util…
not for newbs

i dont' even konw how to use it…there is no man entry for it either
and command not found, nor installable through yum
i don't even have an /etc/named.conf file
how do you suggest i use this to see if i get the same CPU issues ?

you mentioned that FF would be slow for some drop-downs, I suggest trying konqueror to see if you have the same problem

ahhh
yeah, konqurer sucks
the drop downs are fine, but hte formatting is screwed up
there is text running into each other
i think it's a java applet…maybe firefox is having problems with java

java is evil

yeah it is java
javascript

javascript != Java

i konw

Does not sound like you do
http://www.dannyg.com/ref/javavsjavascript.html

that reminds me, firefox does not seem to have a helper application config on fedora…anyone know how to tell it how to handle type application/java?
I have JRE but it cant find it and I dont know where the config is for firefox

http://fedorasolved.org/browser

thanks

I poked through a few forum postings but haven't seen much regarding problems booting 2.6.22 kernels. My kernel keeps panic'ing when trying to book FC6 as a VM in an XP host…

hmm no help that's about javascript versus java
there is a real application type for java with jre
newegg.com uses it for their live chat
not javascript
in mozilla it can be configured to point at the jre, but in firefox there seems to be no config

helpless
http://fedorasolved.org/browser-solutions/java-i386/

that looks like itmight have the info thanks

Is there an easy way to disable ccache for one thing I have to compile?

what do you mean ccache?

the compiler cache

what language?

C and C++ I think

c and c++ dont cache
they do have temp files though
do you mean avoid using temp files?

http://gentoo-wiki.com/Ccache

is there an option in yum to remove a package and all other package that were installed for dependency issue?

ahh, just dont use the option

it's not an option

often if you set an environment variable suck as with CFLAGS it will override the file options
find out what variable has it set then set all but that one thing in your environment
and it'll not use it

I'll keep searching…

one of the Makefiles will have the -E in it
that'll be the one to set in your environment to override it

ccache = evil

it's ok, does it come with Fedora by default? I never explicitly installed it

I think its a default ( I think )
under development tools
you must be using flucksbox…lol

why?
cause i keep showing up and leaving?

re-read that, I thought it was a funny lil' joke

it's going over my head, sorry

fluxbox is a wm there isnt a flucksbox
n'erymind

so everyone sits around sniffing glue right?
I mean except me
…..

sniff-sniff

i'm suffering titanium expose
aka Sonic Youth

some of use prefer gas, but sure that's the idea

i predict a teenage riot there

what happened to whip-its

damn, i have dirty boots

lol and these people managed to install fedora sdodson ?

and with my eyes closed..hah!
Headache….

everyone having fun in Fedora-land on a Saturday night?

Blah. I've got a wireless card on my box and Fedora's trying to use it. Aside from removing it, what other options do I have

what do you mean by "trying to use it"?

When I boot, it tries to bring it up and run dhclient on it

it depends on the make/model of the wireless card, and therefore the driver as well

And system-config-network borks on me…

edit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-wlan0

There it is…
I swear I combed through that folder already… D:

set ONBOOT to no

I'm just moving out of ubuntu and was trying to figure where /etc/network was…

I just installed FC7 and rebooted, however it get stuck up after I see "GRUB ". I think GRUB can't load because trying boot from Nvidia Raided HD or is in wrong HD in boot order. How do I fix this?

hmmm

can i run a browser accessable SSL Website on a port other than 443?

shore.
but your visitors would have to do https://your_site:your_port/

set the server to listen on that port and direct the user to browse to example.com:4433

is 4433 the 8081 of http?

no
just an exaple, yours was better

i wasnt sure if i could do site.com:port#

of course

and have the browser correctly run secure

yep

i want to run a ssl concentrator on my network and still have public access to my ssl hosting website
http://www.netgear.com/Products/VPNandSSL/SSLVPNConcentrators/SSL312.aspx?detail=Specifications
i want to beable to vpn to my net on any computer without having to install anything on the client machine

Thank you for your help, its appreciated.

has anyone used anything like this?
i need something that will work with a linux machine as the client

sorry, can't say I have
that's pretty cool though

i wanna have a secure private hosting channel but i want to let everyone use it….

lol

I'm trying to yum -y upgrade, but I keep getting an error, Cannot open/read repomd.xml, any ideas?

something is broken

Can you be more specific?

what are you trying to achieve?

are you trying to upgrade or update?

transient failure most likely, has this happened over a span of time?

Trying to get yum to work.

from what to what

what are you trying to achieve EXACTLY?

yum -y update?

yum -y upgrade

Sorry you cannot be helped

yum -y update has the same error.

try a yum clean all

Ponders if Pogonip is just rying to update their system?

FYI you should NOT use yum to do a Fedora Version upgrade

sdodson, so you think this is merely a temp error caused by the server?

use of the -y flag is not suggested

if yum clean all doesn't fix it, yes.

Google says the error can be from pointing at a bad mirror.

nikosapi; yum clean all didn't seem to work.

Have you messed with the mirrors?

makes sense to me because the repomod its trying to read is the remote site

I think this is a lUser trying to do a "dist upgrade" that has hosed up their yum configs

thats why I wanted to know if he was actually trying to upgrade via yum

that is why I asked what they were doing

perlmonkey2; not that I'm aware of. Is there a way to check?

what are you trying to achieve EXACTLY?

I was trying to install the latest version of mythtv.

LOL
that is funny

egads what repo are you using? atrpms?

EvilBob; when are you typically on line here?

you're going to get yelled at for using atrpms now. I suspect it's a temporary problem, try it again later (few hours)

lol… I dont yell, I just laugh

all the time

i was talking about keeping my SSL website up while setting up a SSL VPN router on the same ip

sdodson, thanks. I'm pretty new to Linux, so i'm used to getting laugh at.

kronos003, those are both secure sockets and what is the point if you are going to make them open to the public?

EvilBob; You

Me?

EvilBob; You're not very constructive and I would like to avoid you in the future.

ssl site yes (web store) SSL VPN - No - thats for my own use and any customer i instruct to connect so i can remotely fix their PC

Pogonip, fedora is bleeding edge and as such different then the other distros and has packages specifically for fedora. by using unauthorized repositories you contaminate the naming conventions used and thus make your system possibly unstable

Just tried to find out waht you were doing

his nick is "Evil"Bob

I have no desire to help those who are not willing to meet me at least half way

lol EvilBob he wants to ignore you in the future… hey Pogonip most of us are insufferable smart asses

lol

most of your problems could have been avoided Pogonip had you taken the time to read the fedora release notes and other timely information

http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/

but I myself am a serious dumbass so no hard feelings eh?

EvilBob; do me a favor and just don't help.

kronos003, I like onsite repair

Hey it's not my fault your parents are related
by blood

EvilBob, now no need to be rude
tsk
dang republicans

Pogonip; i concur
Pogonip; scrolling past the BS, you want to install mythTV?

f_newton; I was using http://wilsonet.com/mythtv as I have done successfully many times before. This is the first time I ran into this problem and I was hoping someone could help figure it out.
f_newton; I was using a href="http://wilsonet.com/mythtv"http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/a as I have done successfully many times before. This is the first time I ran into this problem and I was hoping someone could help figure it out.

what's the problem?

really save your self he trouble and install mythdora

Pogonip, I dont use myth tv and I stay away from atrpms because it tends to screw up the install. but… whatever you need ya know?

EvilBob; he asked you not to help him.

and you really think I care?

EvilBob; grow up and don't type to him anymore.

downhillgames, please be civil. dont anger yer elders

he is welcome to ignore me

i guess the world just hates you, EvilBob.
here's a "i care" sympathy card
Pogonip; what error are you getting?

having run mythTV on Fedora for the last three years I know what I am talking about

Time out. Somehow this has gotten way out of hand. I'll come back some other time. Thanks for the help

oh well

lol I dont hate EvilBob …. Pogonip dont worry about it… its just late and egos are running rampant

i do

oooh there goes one now!
lol daMaestro

hi daMaestro
i'm going to bed. i don't waste my time on id10t errors
night

lol downhill is especially sensitive tonight… did someone stomp on his pet cat?

Oh he's still pissed from the other day

ahhh you've been poking at him eh?

you know how it is, bad advice is bad advice, we all get called on it once in a while and learn. seems he can't handle that.

who

somedude
lol

so does anyone know the dude what wrote the fedora 7 bible
?

chris?

I forgot to look

I have met him

I ordered the book Friday
it has rhel as well

good evening everyone

even ing
I think it will be a good book to read while away

you guys know of a good distro to learn linux?

and Im sure it will be thick enough to swat flies
fedora linuxnewbiie

ya

use it as a pillow

i have slackware 12 right now

lol yarddog

it seems like its too old

http://fedorabook.com/ wass the book I was thinking of

linuxnewbiie, linux itself is good to know but distros are varied the two basic divisions are debian package distros and rpm package distros I prefer redhat style distros

redhat is rpm right?

Is it possible to upgrade from Core 5 directly to Core 7?
redhat package manager = rpm

rpm is used in red hat
RPM = RPM Package Manager

http://www.amazon.com/Fedora-Red-Enterprise-Linux-Bible/dp/047013075X this one EvilBob

I can run fluxbox on Fedora right? I think that would be better than KDE or Gnome to learn linux..

you should be able to using anaconda
yup same guy

Just asking for another user who is asking me. I don't use Fedora. But anyways, originally RPM was Redhat Package Manager.

one is tyler the other is negros
how is that the same?
yes n0yd thats what rpm means

Not what I meant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPM_Package_Manager "RPM Package Manager (originally Red Hat Package Manager, abbreviated RPM) is a package management system"

same guy that I met

EvilBob, I'm just pokin at ya anyway… I ordered the book but they say I wont get it for three to four weeks

Last time I touched Redhat was 6.1, so I still use the old naming convention.

is KDE vs Gnome war just a preference thing? or do certain ppl get more benefit going with one or the other.. I want to mainly use linux to program as I am a comp sci major, should I just go with any gui? or just prompt?

just a preference thing linuxnewbiie but gnome is my preference

sorry for my retarded questions im trying to dump Winblowz XP

it will install gnome on default linuxnewbiie

sweet
i like Gnome too

linuxnewbiie, whatever floats yer boat. dual boot n keep the xp if ya choose

GiMP ftw
im just running XP on another machine since i have an xtra computer lying around

I dual boot this laptop vista/fedora 7 although I am most always in fedora

linux = programmers heaven
ill brb gonna go install Fedora

linuxnewbiie, I thought bermuda was programmers heaven

lol

Hello people. A friend of mine asks me if fedora setup has the support to resize a windows partition & create a linux one ? Thanks

fdisk

Beket, the live cd is what I used to do that

run defrag on windows

yes run defrag first !

He is a total newbie. Do you think that he can make it ? or just use partition magick from windows perhaps ?

Perfect Disk 8.0 is the best for it

Beket, download the live cd iso, convert it, run it and use the partitioner that comes with it
k?

by the way anyone here a part of the Fedora program? (Developing the OS) I am interested in making contributions.. dont know where to start.

youve come to the right place….

thanks, I'll tell him. Just a quick question: Isn't that partitioner included in the installation dvd also ? (fedora 7)

there are several here who already contribute and if you visit the fedora website you may find a more direct route
Beket, dont know …. I used the live cd to do it and it was successful

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join

ty bob

thanks mate cu all people. Keep up the good work

dang Im bored
waiting for the next episode of futurama to start
….

hmm installing a fresh copy of FC7 didn't slove my problem

life loves tormenting me

The booting process always stops at "GRUB _"

thureen, where did you install grub ?

at the default location /dev/sde, it should be first drive that boot up according to the bios

good day, any suggestion on how to create an iso?
ive come to realise that what man pages are missing the most is a real life example written out..

mkisofs

I think will try SUSE 10.2 to see if can still its bootloader properly since FC7 doesn't seem work

guys anybody facing problem with the new kernel and iwlwifi.
the network applet in the gnome taskbar for my wireless device shows 0 signal strength and then suddenly back to normal strength
this problem started coming after latest kernel update.

Thanks..

Is there anyway to get Fedora 7 in CDs or is DVD the only way?

there is a live cd if you want

network install
or a live cd

does the live CD install as well?

yeppers

yes
and yeah i heard of some guy who uploaded the whole cd set on the internet for f7

how hard is the network install?

pretty hard if you are really a linux newbie

just make sure you have all your info first.

but the most preferable if you have a fast internet connection

is the liveCD install the same as the DVD install?

live cd comes with a preset of packages
dvd provides the whole bunch of packages

live cd is also specialized.. either kde or gnome

oh yeah how can i forgot that.
but wasn't able to

What's up, doods.

hey dan__t

helix uses xfce.. its not to bad a environment

How goes it?

yeah but it pulls down some gnome packages that messes it all
great.

Excellent.
Got a few questions which are going to sound pretty dumb I guess.

yah i dont like gnome
does the same with the kde install as well..

shoot. i am waiting to be fired out
no idea about kde don't use it

This is a decent motherboard, has onboard video, but i haven't used it much. I use the nVidia GF FX 5700LE.
I use that card for my primary display.

nice card.

I'd *like* to use another monitor on the onboard card to do simple stuff, like logs and stuff during debugging.
But, I can't "see" it.
lspci shows nada.

may or may not be possible, some MB's turn off the on board when a add in card is added.

That's what I'm thinking.

well yeah nvidia maskes the on-bard one

what does bios show you?

Didn't see anything painfully obvious in the bios.

ah

No, nVidia makes the AGP card.
I'd like to use the onboard for another monitor
doing a dual-headed thing.

sure sure, dual monitors is cool
trying for three tho, makes your head hurt,

heheh

heh

I need to overcome two, before ever doing three.

lol
join the club
so lspci shows nothing but your nvidia

http://bobjensen.com/workstation_2.jpg

Correct.

hate you bob
looks awesome thi
tho

typical hacker workspace there

I have been hearing that a lot tonight "I hate you EvilBob"

LOL

So,yea, guess the BIOS turns this onboard card off huh

id like to see your xorg.conf

it isn't the evil day EvilBob

could be

yeah i think it has.

yeah you can only use one agp card

Lame.

so one more time if you do lspci|grep video gets you one line

what about two nvidia card ? *just a thought*

oh yah thats it.. the onboard is agp

the on-board is technically agp

And again, the onboard card doesn't show.
But

yah only 1 agp at a time.. get yourself a nice PCI and you can dual head.

I don't know if I can use them both, but this nVidia card has both DVI and AGP ports

vga

Yes, sorry.
beer.

tired

I use the DVI for my ballsy monitor and it would be neat to use the other port for this lame lcd

lspci|grep video should show you both ports.
if not then its a simple screen 0 and screen 1 in your xorg file

you can use both on the DVI/vga cards

with the pci port number.

Nope, still just the one. Was wondering if they should be identified as two separate cards off of the same hardware card, or if there was some special driver hackery that could be done.

of course the real nvidia driver does help with that.

hey ARfdee

Ok, well, I guess I'd like to use both of the ports on this card - dvi and vga.
Ah, ok, I need to use that one/
?

you will need the nvidia driver from livna

what's up

hi

deffinately do some reading on dual head nvidia

did ya finished with the miro problem ?

hi
that was on my laptop, but it mostly works

http://fedorasolved.org/nvidia

but im on my desktop now

i just wanted to know whether it worked for you or not

Alright, that's what I wnated to hear.
Thanks

evilbob can you share your xorg.conf secrets?

generally, yes, but i seem to have some xorg issue that surfaces sometimes

oh i see.

I use the livna nvidia driver.

yup
just makes it easier
ok im off to bed..

grr

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors#Setting_up_a_dual.2Ftri.2Fmulti-head_graphics_card
I think that's a good starting point.

no
system-config-display
check out the dual head tab

I'll give it another go, I didn't have much luck with it.
Well. Now I see it.

that should give you a good start

Sure did.
Thanks
The process seems highly unstable
Yea, the machine just locked up again.
Wow that's hosed.
Well. After saving settings with system-config-display, I attempt to log out, and the machine locks up.
Anyone ever seen that?

I there. Clamav is scanning my computer and already found 2 virus/problems. Broken.Executable. Is that a virus or some other sort of problem? Is it critical ?

does anyone know where the mythtv channel is? doesn't seem to be on this server anymore

#mythtv-users?
yea, I can't do this dual headed thing…

it used to be but it does not exist

For whatever reason, it's not usable.
Ah, that sucks.

oh it is there, just not in the channel list

heheh

by the way, where is the best place to get ffmpeg and other media player libraries

I just don't have time to help tonight
livna
I can help you in about 40 hours

Interesting. One of those problems was found in a windows file. Some codec library. vssh264dec.dll
The other is in /Sbin/mdassemble.static

why has fedora 7 not updated firefox to 2.0.0.6?

No worries.

2.0.0.6 was only a security fix for Windows
it contains nothing new on the Unix side besides the version number

thanks for clearing that up

Thanks for the help though.

Well, I did some research and I guess I don't have to worry about those 'broken.executable'. They're just broken executables. No need do download them again.The system is serving well his master No worries

how come when i change my display resolution it just changes the size of my viewport on the same size desktop?
i'm confused. all i want to do is not loose my eyesight without having parts of the desktop hanging off the screen.

I have a TVR card and I'm using TVTime to watch TV. It's a excellent program but I wish there was some option that would allow recording. Is there any program that can do it? Thanks

man mencoder

/tmp/test_capture.mpg

(ctrl-c to stop capture)

will that work? i would use tzap myself

yeah it works

hardly. only works with cards that tvtime don't work with

works on my ivtv cards

yes. no doubt about that. but he's using tvtime. which does not support mpeg cards
you can use mencoder, or one of the media center apps for linux but at least mythtv does not recommend using framegrabber cards for this
dunno about freevo

so this would be like one of the old brooktree cards?

AndyCap. thank you

something like that

i've updated FC6 to FC7, now pc speaker ceased beeping, until i load pcspkr.ko module. how do i make it autoload?

hi, I'm in some urgent help… had a system mirror'ed software raid then one disk packed it in. So, set as faulty, removed disk and put a new one in then when rebooting it says 'GRUB' and that's it. Any ideas?

grub was installed on the other disk
reinstall grub, recover grub conf from the other disk
reboot, enjoy

ok….

prompt, then basically run the setup/root commansd?

Hi. I'm trying to mount a NFS drive, and it mounts, but i get "permission denied" when trying to write to it. This is an issue related to fedora as it mounts on ubuntu
Anyone know why it would be doing that?

from root?

Root & user can't write to it

Quake 4 is not using all of monitor area when full screen…with FC7.

ok. thanks for letting us know.

Do you now how to remedy this?

no, because you've supplied no actual information

lol
When default desktop is at 1680×1050 and running quake 4 full screen @ 800×600. A little 800×600 window runs for quake instead of using all of the monitor screen.
Back in the day with XFree, you would just add some modelines.

would you now?
fedoraos.org
check there for some answers

uh…let me guess…you work at red hat in support?

no one here is giving help on behalf of redhat.. the help here is 100% voluntary and free

good evening opsec

you're free to read what i showed you and alter your approach at getting help though

morning opsec

lmao

oh yeh, it really is morning

hello frozty_sa and Ph0b0s

anyone has a clue why fc6 kernel (or perhaps udev) loaded pcspkr, while in fc7 it doesnt..

have you checked the common bugs area of the wiki?

…surely for me, but for another in the US, it is not. and for yet another in Australia, it would be afternoon. oh the wonders of living on a big ball!

which wiki? google shows info on how to disable module.. i want opposite 8(

lol You do have a point frozty_sa

It is not there
I do not think it was disabled intentially

puzzling…
hm… i've notebook with clean install from CD and server updated with 'yum upgrade'. both dont load module by default
fc6 did

Zart, there is bugzilla for that.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=249124

Good work ByteEnable

aha… thank you
2.6.22 also doesnt include nouveau driver it seems

EvilBob do you know much of Fedora 7 on LiveUSB? Is there a DVD version?

I could have taken opsec approach and not answer the phone.

What are my options as far as encryption?

E-mu: I just install to my USB Drive, I don't mess with the "live images"

What would be the downside of encrypting my entire /home directory? What package do I need to do it

logankoester, processing overhead.

how bad?

I'm bored.

E-mu: I think I know you, man
E-mu: e-mu.org?

logankoester, http://koeln.ccc.de/archiv/drt/crypto/linux-disk.html

na

logankoester, http://www.debianadmin.com/filesystem-encryption-tools-for-linux.html

damn, way to let me down
You could have at least pretended dude
thanks ByteEnable

np

who are you?

me?

OK, it is 4AM, one more cup of coffee and a Cig then I am going to bed

logankoester you know me from another channel?

E-mu: dunno, is your blog e-mu.org?

I recall seeing an app that would run a movie (or perhaps a v4l feed) on the desktop. Anyone know the app (and can name it) ?

nope

then I don't

uh… totem/mplayer/vlc/tvtime?

if I understand your question correctly….^ as zart just said

logankoester, the bigger 'downside' to fs encryption, imo, is that you need to make doubly sure your backups are good.

please specify a bit further if you need specific capabilities, then maybe we can answer more specifically

EvilBob, immune to caffeine too i see

yeah I was waiting for the Netherlands to wake up

I've got everything important on remote servers, I just don't want anyone getting any of it if my laptop disappeared

important and remote don't go together unless "local backup" is in the band
important and remote don't go together unless "local backup" is in the band

morning kanarip

every one's still up i see

morning pembo13_com

frozty_sa, morning sir
i should head to bed soon

haha…well, sleep well when you do. in the US?

frozty_sa, yup.. CST

CST…….(/me thinks)…….timezone?

yup

frozty_sa, yup

frozty_sa, By Desktop, I mean litterally "Desktop" or maybe "background" would be a better description, but I think that could be confused more. Not as in "on my desktop pc". Said another way, instead of a static wallpaper, I would like a video feed. I am using Compiz if that is a
factor.

LOL

mkay..what's it abbreviation for?

Central Screwed up Time

oooooooooooh. see, now I could help you exactly, but sorry I don't know the answer. anyone else have a clue?
…..poor people in CST zones

frozty_sa, Central standard time
assuming it's not daylight saving time
been coding C# for th epast 15 or so hours
think i'll hit the sac soon

Sucke.r
Sucker, too!

CST where the standard is Screwed up

I think I'll try and get my learn on with some PHP here shortly

jus say no

ah…yes….dst….that confusing and unnecessary one hour jump some countries submit themselves to

If I can manage to un-fsck my desktop.

dan__t, if you don' know php, i'd learn python first

python, python, python

Python is on the list, too.
I struggle with OOP right yet.

dan__t, i know both.. did php first.. .it's nice.. .but python is more useful

both?

I have something copying from hard drive to USB. Is there a command to see the progress or some command to see if its still copying? Other than the USB led

christ you are a code monkey!

Well. I'm "prepared" better to dive into PHP.

dan__t, php is getting to be near oop as python
kanarip, ?

I have an asston of PHP books. There's no reason why I shouldn't already know it.

kanarip, languages are simple
kanarip, getting real work done is hard

I know about 5….(so far…)

kanarip, i've done pascal, delphi, php,python, C/C++, C# and soon java

pembo13_com, right, the languages are easy, the art is in the programming itself

right

I just get lost in OOP land.

yeah..as pembo13_com said. learning the syntax etc is easy. but doing the work is where the tricky (fun) bit comes in

kanarip, oh yah, asp/vbscript , javascript, actionscript also
also hard is spelling

Anyone use UML to assist in the design of OOP-based apps?

spelling?

Moderately OT, sorry.
But you all seem fairly clever.

dan__t, i've used it for documentation purposes
frozty_sa, yah, i'm a terrible speller

I'm thinking I need to find some solid standard of design.

youtube runs on python. don't know of a bigger site that does.

I get lost too easily when it comes to PHP, I tend to micro-micro-micro-manage code to the point where it's no longer useful I guess.

dan__t, as far as i understand, there are apps to convert UML to code

Naw, I don't wnat to cheat.

haha….at least you then admit it and try to improve (which is more than lots of people online can manage)

dan__t, that's not cheating, that's getting work done

E-mu, use -v next time?

frozty_sa, yah… i can only think devs for spell checkers

hrm.

there's multiple spell checkers for devs, depending on what language you use you get them all

I think you mean you want to learn it for use to get to know the concept and formalise your programming work a bit more?

Yes.

bugs, runtime errors, compile errors, syntax highlighting

I suppose that not being a programmer by nature, I have difficulty breaking down some code - perhaps in OOP - so that it's formalized in an OOP manner.

dan__t, pascal is a good language to learn programming
dan__t, if you don't already have experience that is

so is python actually

Well that's the kicker. I understand OOP.

is pascal OO?…

I just get lost when breaking down code to "fit" into OOP.

frozty_sa, no… but Delphi is
frozty_sa, delphi is more or less an updated, OO'ed Pascal

delphi was a pita in high school

frozty_sa, the dude who turned me on to linux swears by it
frozty_sa, it was extremely good at RAD

I know delphi (sadly)
true, that it was

frozty_sa, and it's IDE is what was "stolen" to make Visual Studio
frozty_sa, but the guys behind delphi let it fail… they released a terrible linux IDE for it

hahaha….dude, what did m$ often NOT "steal" for their products?

frozty_sa, who knows..

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=221828 brilliant… thanks for breaking other people NATs 8\

i do

haha

they didn't steal the idea of _always_ having a gui running

shoot Mark please

….but then….maybe it was just because they couldn't get it working otherwise?

Zart, i'll be commenting on that bug

Ah well.
Maybe I should actually do some OOP-ish stuff.

dan__t, do you know basic programming?

Sure, I can hold my own pretty well in procedural PHP.

dan__t, cool

I guess. Wish I were better at it.

only way we ever improve is by doing more difficult things, and given time we do

frozty_sa, the time part is a problem

Yep.

"Live more, sleep less"
^ my tagline

Zart, how is this breaking NAT?

frozty_sa, i like that… body tends to disagree
frozty_sa, i blame my sleeping on cable tv… can rarely get enough to distract me while i code

hahahaha…

used system-config-security-tui, it regenerated /etc/sysconfig/iptables as intended. but there is a rule -A FORWARD -j REJECT
which makes all traffic trough NAT drop dead

cut the cable/plug it out?

Zart, right, but whether the default rule is reject or drop… it shouldn't be accept

the problem is… there is NO traffic to accept

frozty_sa, nah… watch things like national geography while i code, background noise

and i marked eth0 as trusted and masquarade

Zart, using NAT, there should be traffic to accept, or NAT is useless

i think it lack rule to accept traffic marked for masquerade

ah….for me it's a constant stream of music

frozty_sa, yah….. i've kinda exhausted that.. used to be what i did before
frozty_sa, may inquire as to your library at some point, i need "new" music

Zart, right i get the idea

Ok, I'm going to take another stab at this desktop.
Anyone have much success with a dual-headed setup on any recent nVidia card? I'm trying to use both DVI and VGA outputs, with an extended desktop setup.
When attempting to save the desktop settings, the machine locks solid.
If it has any relation, if I am to turn off Desktop Effects (without the dual-headed hackery), the machine also locks solid.

i use dd to clone my harddisk into remote storage, i try to restore the other harddisk have same capacity. i receive not enought space error
why?

kelvin^9^, because you need to reverse the polarity of /dev/null

how?

kelvin^9^, disks aren't always the EXACT same size.

ok
so what can i do for it?

put the peddle to the metal

peace

zcat, how do i dd it back to the same capacity?

Zart, commented

kelvin^9^, determine the size difference
i always make sure to leave a little unallocated space at the end of my (raid) drives

oo so you mean, increase the size is the only solution?

kanarip, cool
strangely, comments on bug are dated january…

Zart, that's true, this is in RHEL already

oh crap… spent two hours to realize that in FC7 samba was split into smb/nmb services

there is no FC7

f7..

Using a dual-head setup, is there any way to force the machine to make one of the outputs the primary output?

hi, when i issue a shutdown command, does the system automatically unmount any usb key or external hard drive plugged ?

vinadelmar, everything gets unmounted

my usb key is mounted even when it's not plugged in

sexay

opsec, what do you mean ?

think about it.

or just tell me some words about it please

i've said al the words which can be said.. except these words i'm telling you right now

so what's the point in having your usb key mounted but not plugged ?

ask pilot what's wrong with moya.. .

who's pilot ?

he communicates with moya

phew… samba/squid fixed

opsec, please dont answer with new questions. or don't answer at all and tell me to rtfm. that geek talk is a pain

poor baby.

lol

zcat, what's mounted automatically is in /etc/fstab right ?

mmmm, australian chicks

In GNOME, when some program is not responding, There is an applet that kills. I'm looking for one in KDE but i can«t find. Any help ?

if you don't find one, xkill will probably do the job for you

were you with me in cancun last year?

xkill is bundled, i think..

:o - never been there in my life

mmm claudia black.

not convinced about her

claudia black isn't that hot

InsomniaCity, xkill will only terminate that program or all the other loaded at that time ?

it'll kill what you click on

it's more her attitude that makes her hot .. she's certainly not ugly though either

fire up an xterm, run it, click on the xterm, you'll see what I mean

InsomniaCity, thanks a lot

that PK tech from S01 was hot

val-at-work, in kde, use ctrl-alt-escape

Hi, does yum keep the rpms that it installs?

If the option isn't futzed with, yes.

keepcache=1 in /etc/yum.conf

futzed?

but out-of-box default is 0

Ok, well, almost got it right with TwinView.
Kindof a funky setup.

Thanks.
I'm installing 137MB of updates, and have two computers. Really don't want to download twice.

OK. I got it to work.
Freaking awesome.

alex[slx], so copy over the packages to /var/cache/yum/wherever

There any tricks to viewing a webcam through VLC? I've "opened capture device" and set it to /dev/video which resulted in the options "v4l:// :v4l-vdev="/dev/video" :v4l-norm=3" but it results in "v4l demuxer error: cannot open device (Connection timed out)"

moeSizlak; TV shows online… didn't say famous movies or shows on regular cable…

i just hate to think oim paying for something that other ppl are getting for free

Miro downloads and plays whatevertheheck you tell it to
nah
you're paying to rip off what most pay legitly to their cable company
this doesn't enter into that much except for the fact it can play what you download off usenet
brb

well mplayer already plays stuff that i have, so whats the advantage of miro
there was a program that "streamed" video from usenet but it sucked

organization, all-in-1 media playing

ok.

but at 20mbit i can d/l 5GB in 30 minutes, soo…

miro downloads before playing… but yeah…

you started talking like 10 seconds after & or whatever

moeSizlak; do you use Windows?
for usenet

no
!

what client?

hellanzb+hellahella

ALL

is that in the repo?

yea.. still had the window up ..

no
its a python program, an EXCELLENT one

where can i find it?

hellanzb

the humor was lost in the hours that followed

cool. thanks.

or hour.

you put the .nzb file into the queue directory, it downloads it, par verify/repairs it, un-rars it

http://www.hellanzb.com/distfiles/
moeSizlak; one less thing to run in WINE. tyvm

you also need to yum install par2cmdline unrar

yes
pypar2

par2cmdline and unrar i should say
plus the python dependencies of which theres a few

moeSizlak; have you ever considered packaging it for Fedora?

almost all available from yum tho

i was searching with yumex trying to find a client like this…

naw im not that generous
i get it to work for me and im happy

hehe. well… this is something that Fedora users might like.

Evening all

hellahelaa is the web interface for it, which is also very nice
*hellahella

is there no GUI?

anynoe ever used beryl?

PxWebDev; using it now.

whats your take on it? a friend recommended I try it out. Is it really that much better?

mmhmmm

its just a window manager right?

it's a lot better. i can't jump and down in IRC, but if i could i would

does anyone know how to get hardware 3d acceleration and OpenGL out of the fglrx driver? `fglrxinfo` tells me that the OpenGL vendor string is Mesa project; I assume that is not correct.

yeah

ok, well I installed it. Guess ill play around with it

ReachingFarr, install a nvidia card
PxWebDev, its eyecandy

not a relevant fix

VileGent; answer helpfully.

ReachingFarr, what video card

do you have to have a beefy system to run beryl?

nope

mine seems slow

hmm beef

PxWebDev; http://youtube.com/watch?v=VpOuqyDSfTM

x800 Pro

ReachingFarr; AGP?

ya

did you use livna or t3h installer off ati.com

ive never used beryl but i think its overrated

freshrpms

moeSizlak, me too
and i have used it

a looot of people disagree

thats kinda what I was wondering about

whats a good budget gfx card to get that works well with linux?

$5

nvidia gf4 440
thats what im running all my linux machines on

NicNac; anything nvidia or intel

there are lots of generic nvidia cards

dont have any issues
you can get a g4 440 for about 13 bucks with shipping on ebay

where are you located?

hey thats not bad
Im in the UK

city?

stoke

UK shipping might be more but still cheaper

would the gf4 be as good as say a radeon 9600pro?

high end ones maybe

well my personal experience has always been bad with ATI and linux

NicNac; do you have a 9600 pro handy?

Im using one now

those are *Great* cards

really?

i miss my 9600 Pro
NicNac; what drivers are you using?

i ahd a 9800 pro and I did not like it much

whatever standard ones come with fedora

anywho

ah, so what's wrong?
i've owned about every card between 7000 and x800 xt
never owned an AIW tho

I'm going to put togeather a system for a friend and he loves the idea of trying fedora linux out

had a 9600SE, 9600, 9600 Pro and a 9600 XT
aaah

hope he knows that its a work of love

nvidia is the way to go
NicNac; how much do you have to spend?

in total?

yeah

about 200 but he already has a monitor
£200

so ~$400 USD?

pretty much yea

more like 370something i think…

I should be able to put a athlon64 system togeather for under that

you can do a dual-core system with that much

really?

when I do yum update I get an error message that says…….. Loading "installonlyn" plugin Repository 'macromedia' is missing name in configuration, using id Existing lock /var/run/yum.pid: another copy is running as pid 4345. Aborting.

PM me, yeah
Dwayne; as root: service yum-updatesd stop
then try again

you can also delete the pid

or go stop it with the GUI
or you can _shut it down properly_

many ways to do it

well I have to go my wife is kicking my ass
catch ya laters guys

oohhh sounds kinky
hehe

NicNac; newegg.com opteron 165
kingston ram
find a foxconn mobo
enjoy

I still get the same error message

do you have pirut, pup, puplet, or yumex running?
anything else that uses yum

I dont think so

strange

delete the pid
when all else fails

how

not all else has been tried

while I agree thats not the best way to do it
when your frustrated that you cant get other thigns to work…that works

service yum-updatesd stop

i think I may have done something to a config file that made a mess of things

ohh

stopping failed this time

so it's stopped already

service yum-updatesd status

option

it is stopped

old habits die hard

you can use service but you have to use su -

sudo ftw

enough

now try your yum command again

i am logged in as root
yum update still gives the same error message as I posted above

one disable the macromedia repo

how
Repository 'macromedia' is missing name in configuration, using id

zcat; yay i added a atom.xml feed to Miro and it locked hehe

yum.repos.d is empty

downhillgames, the koji version?
and run it from the terminal for more verbosity

zcat; yours. but when i restarted it, my feed was listed as a channel
uzcat; yours. but when i restarted it, my feed was listed as a channel/u
zcat; indeed

it is empty

it cant be

the file /etc/yum.repos.d/ is empty

cat /etc/redhat-release

zcat; may i PM you?

im telling u its empty

Edgan, you can see the ifup interaction with NetworkManager change in behaviour here, comparing 2.6.21-1.3194 with 2.6.22.1-41: http://pastebin.com/d22e5b072

:-)

I don't have the faintest idea of what component to report that change against

Fedora Release 7 Moonshine

well unless something happened to the file your not seeing the repos data
well unless something happened to the file your not seeing the repos data
hers my take on it
go to the /var/run folder
delete the yum.pid
then try yum again
thats my 2 cents

your 2 cents is worth about .005

lol
well thats ok
at least its worth something

hello I have a problem connecting to my samba on pc.. but the mac works with smb://192.x.x.x any idea?

more people need to use #fedora-last-resort

#join
that is

what's the point of that channel?

to play with the toys that come in

it s a symbiotic opportunity
the 1d10ts get the help they need and we get to laugh at them for being so damn stupid

wish me luck, i'm going to try and see if i can get FC6 working on my laptop, it seems to be a ubuntu fanboy computer

has anyone used MSN on pidgin ?

i do daily

yeah, daily

mm i cant ge tit to work it never connects, in fact i cant even get it to work on windows

well worded opsec

http://www.hellanzb.com/distfiles/

hi, i feel a little stupid but guess what… trying to install an unstable version of compiz, it mess metacity so the frames dissapears, i remove metacity with yum, yum remove other stuff and now i have no WM, i already install again metacity with yum, and execute metacity –replace but
nothing happen

yes I have

moeSizlak, HEADER.html

"doesn't work" is never helpful to anyone, especially those trying to help you

thx

restart X.org?
i dunno

FancyIndexing

you've screwed up your computer by compiling and installing source code because you are too impatient to wait
reinstall your system

moeSizlak, take a look at FancyIndexing

mmmm :'(

you didn't heed warnings or follow any advice here

if i could get MSN workign on fedora, i wouldnt need windows

ok dont get mad

why do you even come here if you're going to ignore what people tell you?
i'm not mad

im about ready to do a reinstall of FC7 and start all over again

take it easy

good idea

lol
its my yum issue

#1 rule .. if you don't know what you're doing .. DON'T DO IT.. ask someone who knows more about it and follow their advice

yum update gives me error messages

we know

PxWebDev, a quick question do you have the following Server:messenger.hotmail.com Port:1863 ?

i.e. don't start just deleting or overwriting files al willy nilly

yes rule #1 is a rule I will from this moment on follow

haha

i use simp with my msn .. encrypted proxy

http://fedorasolved.org/

Can anyone recommend something other than mailman for a mailing list proggie?

yeppers

i promise the Fedora gods to obey rule #1

i must say im behind a proxy

yes evilbob i will use fedorasolved when i reinstall FC7

reinstall fedora , then come back here and we'll help you get what you want installed and working

can I hold u to that opsec?

or try #Fedora-Last-Resort

as long as you follow directions

lol
is there really such a channel

whoops. sorry, zcat

to the letter opsec

i'm more than happy to help you .. if you stop following directions or go off on your own tangents i'll lose interest
like every other system .. fedora has a proper way of doing things .. and every other way

downhillgames, for?

ok I'll be back after I reinstall say about an hour

Xorg locked.
darn nvidia driver :/

hi

I'll need help with video codecs mostly

simple stuff

everything else is pretty much on fedorsolved right?

do you use GNOME, Dwayne?

sweet this works

yes gnome

i use underpants-gnome

http://rpm.livna.org/ download and install the livna-release matching your release of Fedora (like livna-release-7.rpm for Fedora 7) then just yum install gstreamer-plugins-ugly
anything that uses gstreamer can play mp3, avi, etc… then

ok, who's spraying the raid? they're dropping like flies here

/lib/modules/2.6.20-1.2944.fc6/build/include/linux/autoconf.h: No such file or directory
opps

hi

where can i get the source for 2.6.20-1.2944.fc6 kernel?

can anyone here help me with a network problem?

if i try to use yum it wants to upgrade to 2.6.22 and i need the old ver to compile a running program addon

i hope someone besides me is paying attention

you need old ver of yum?

old source for kernel

have you tried googling it?
google*

i have again my WM back ufffff, but im gonna reinstall fedora again, it wont happen again opsec

lol?
im new to fedora sorry but can anyone here assist me with a network problem on f7

ya but really dont know what rpm i need.. lol.. im not Linux smarts

google

what is your problem Br0z

exit

well i hooked up a netgear wg311v2 the other day
i installed the right driver and all
its lighting up and detecting network
but when i try and click on the network i wanna connect to
it starts to swirl then comp freezes
can you help?

mmm well not really im new too jejeje
google it "netgear wg311v2 fedora 7"

lol
ive looked on everything man
ive used
debian before

you use NetworkManager?

i used ndiswrapper
yo install the windows driver
cause it wasnt native to linux

in debian works?

no when i used my debian i used eth
i got ethernet downstairs
but i want my box upstairs

jeje

im really loving fedora though

be patient

i have been
4 days trying to resolve it
i finally got the driver to work
i was using the wrong driver
:P

hi guys

hj?

people here are not patient with me anymore

i still need to get MSN and ICAclient working on fedora7, than i be hapy

oh sorry
why not el_dan
kaos01
have you used wine?
www.winehq.com

no

or
wine will run win32 applications
or type

wine rocks! i use dreamweaver, starcraft and swish with wine

kaos01, if you want MSN, use aMSN (free)

grrr

yum install wine-tools
wine is a very awesome tools

cool

fuck using msn client
use pidgin
its like gAIM

kaos01, also, you can download the citrix ICAclient for linux (free)

BrOz; language.

for some reasin cant get pidgin working

sorry about that

and it *is* gaim

not even on windows

arn't we all old enough for fowl language?

no.
read the join message

sorry about that

kaos01; what problem do you experience?

i didn't know anyone under 10 had the knowledge how to install linux lol

and i thing there is problems with ICAclient it need some libraries fedora no longer suports

insert a DVD and click Next?
are you compiling or using the repos?

downhill games are you good with networking?

no.

kaos01, I've got it working here on f7, what's the lib you're missing?
I remember there was an issue though

could you try and help me with my situaTION?

Does anyone like polls?!

when using ndiswrapper after i install the driver do i have to do any other steps?

they're good for hanging flags on

sdodson; no. lol
BrOz; modprobe ndiswrapper

poles.

yea i did that
ive done all of that

damn spelling

its detecting my network

kaos01, see private messages

but when i click to connect to it
the 2 comps start 2 swirl
then my whole computer freezes
im guessing thats a kernal panic

BrOz; seriously…. less enter key action. relax.

downhillgames its a nasty habit

the more lines you type the more i'm ignoring you lol… i don't like reading pages

ill try to type in one line

hey, that'd be nice for everyone

sorry
so have you ever experienced a problem like that before?

I got this error in "http://localhost/phpMyAdmin" #2002 - The server is not responding (or the local MySQL server's socket is not correctly configured) How do I fix this ?

kernel panic, you say? check /var/log about that.

yea i did and there was no logs

yeah. it was with my broadcom on my acer laptop… using the other .inf or .ini..whatever it was.. fixed that

how did you fix it?

CaneToad, missing libXm.so.3

kaos01, can you see my private jvm java server hosting messages
?

i had a bcom431.ini and a bcom431a.ini …using the *a.ini one fixed it

CaneToad, yes

so this may be a driver issue?

kaos01; yum install libXm.so.3
BrOz; i'm almost certain, yes

well in the drivers

kaos01 I'll chase that lib on my system

"Nothing to install"

yay @ Fedora State of the Union

there was like 4 folders win2000,win98,winxp

If I already have partitions created and do a fresh install, during what stage can I prevent a Fresh install of F7 from creating its own partitions or removing my exsisting ones?

kaos01; are you compiling or installing from the repos?

i used the xp drivers

I got this error in "http://localhost/phpMyAdmin" - The server is not responding (or the local MySQL server's socket is not correctly configured) How do I fix this error ???

downhillgames, i got the rpm from the citrix web site

BrOz; hmm… i'd try them all find a howto if you can, though
kaos01; why? uninstall it and yum install pidgin

well see the thing is netgear wasnt intended for fedora linux i believe

problem solved.

downhillgames, oh sorry, yes i got pidgeon from repos

oh hehe. wonder why it won't work then… should.

if the link light on the hardware is glowing and its detecting the networks does it mean its the right driver?

BrOz; what's the model #?

downhillgames, im behind a firewall .. if that helps

its a Netgear Wireless PCI 311 G v2

kaos01; is this libXm.so.3 related to pidgin?

downhillgames, no to ICAclient

OH, sorry!
i was so confused hehe

REadin error

http://download.tuxfamily.org/rpm/drpixel/fedora/7/i386/openmotif-2.3.0-0.1.9.4.fc7.drpixel.i386.rpm

BrOz; um… HA 311, MA 311? what exact model?

downhill when im trying another driver will i will have to uninstall the driver using the ndiswrapper remove command is that all or do i have to delete a line in modprobe also?
MA?

http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_part.php?brandname=Netgear

um where would i get the model number

off the box or device itself

kk one sec
its WG
nonot MA or HA
WG 311 v2

k

so i should use the driver that is specifyed there?

BrOz; do you have livna installed?

um

CaneToad, cool that done it

yes i belive so

great

BrOz; yum install kmod-madwifi

why madwifi?

it has a driver for your card.
why, because you want it to work. right?

yes one sec
im on my laptop right nmow
so hold on let me grab a usb or something

um… sure

im gonna have to carry my box downstairs
great
:/

nah, it shouldn't be so hard

what do u mean
im on winxp right now]

oh right

lol
u sure this will work

no

ive carried it up and downstairs

i don't use wireless, but it *should*

40 times
but fine
lol

what do you have to lose?

kaos01, I've still found that the citrix ica client on windows is a whole lot faster than the linux one for some unknown reason…someone with a support contract needs to whinge to citrix…perhaps they just haven't bothered to update the linux client

body fat?
lol

what fat?
all muscle
gimme 5 minutes
aight?

..yeah…

gotta unplug box downstairs
i got like 15 cpus running
downthere

you need madwifi kmod-madwifi, the current kernel, nash mkintrd

oh yea sirry'
i do?

and kernel-devel

my kernal is updated
i got kernal devl and new kernal im using ndiswrapper right now
am i gonna have to uninstall that driver?

so madwifi and kmod-madwifi from livna
be a good idea

lol

yeah remove ndsiwrapper, the configs, etc

oh geart
is there a command
for this?

did you "yum install ndiswrapper"?

is the box going to be on the internet

yes i did
yea im gonna put it on the internet

yum remove *ndiswrapper*

alright be back in a few lol
lots of manual labour to do

yum install kmod-madwifi &&yum remove kmod-ndiswrapper

reverse those

im working hard for fedora
lol
booting box right now
how come madwifi?
02.11a/g WG 111U man:0846 dev:4301 USB Atheros red
802.11g WG111 v. 2 man: 0846 dev: 6a00 USB RealTek rtl8180 green "driver: ftp://152.104.238.194/cn/wlan/linux26x-8187(110).zip ; from realtek
is that not the driver i need the biottom one]

no idea. if it doesn't show up in the network apps, obviously not

hi i'm installing fedora 7 on my other comp and after it installs and tries to boot i get invalid compressed format Kernel panic
anyone seen that before?

hopfully it works lol

kaos01, perhaps my comment about citrix ica slowness on linux could have applied to the network situation before I appended "net.ipv4.tcp_window_scaling=0" to my /etc/sysctl.conf and then rebooted - to work around tcp scaling incompatibility issues with my router

so yum remove *ndiswrapper*
do i have to uninstall the driver first

yum install kmod-madwifi &&yum remove kmod-ndiswrapper
atheros=madwifi

here ill show you the exact card im using

Broz less typing more working

greetz

what do i do first though dont i have to uninstall the driver before uninstalling ndiswrapper?

i laid it out to you already

alright

twice, actually

do that

yes sir

then yum install kmod-madwifi && yum remove kmod-ndiswrapper

kk thanks
bbs

mk

ill post the details

downhillgames, it is doenst work check his kernel etc

yeah

Fox[work], check the checksums on your iso and reinstall if correct

VileGent; going to sleep?

yep

night

lol
there we go downstairs
lol
so after this then what?

alright…
you installed Livna?

yes
and i did the second command

uh the xmms-mp3 thing?

xmms?
no

what 2nd command?

then yum install kmod-madwifi && yum remove kmod-ndiswrapper

ah
rpm -q kmod-madwifi
is it there?

ye

sweet… i'm completely inexperienced with madwifi

oh great you get to learn sp,etjomg mew?

network?

one sec
oh great
ndiswrapper driver is still there
lol whats command to install ndiswrapper again i gotta uninstall it

are you *sure*?

yes

remove the line to modprobe it.
sudo yum remove *ndiswrapper*
maybe you missed kmod-ndiswrapper or something…

no packages marked for removal
ok lemme remove the line from modprobe

I got - ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) - What is wrong ?

JackRippr; how do you unload a module?

hey guys, just installing gstreamer-universe… And I had a few questions. Does this come w/ Fedora Core 7? And if not, why can't it get repomd.xml from any of the yum.conf files i try witj?
with*

great where is modprobe?

gstreamer-universe?

well
gstreamer

a former ubuntu user?

but the command is yum install gstreamer-universe
nah.. I tried ubuntu install but it broke.. didn't work
so do i need gstreamer at all? Because my sound ain't working :].

would the kernel source be in kernel-2.6.20-1.2944.fc6.src.rpm or the devel package?

if you use gnome, you need gstreamer

so fedora is gnome, is gstreamer?

AJaymn; if you're compiling something use kernel-devel
gnome is just a desktop environment

downhill

downhillgames where do i get it for an older ver then?! im pulling my hair out

should i reboot?

it uses gstreamer to play media

k.. that'd be why no sound is working

AJaymn; fedora only supports the current and 2nd-current kernels

ran out of compressed data, the dvd checks out fine

downhillgames i think we messed something up :O

Bowmessage; that or alsa is messed up

hmm. Whats alsa? And how do I fix it?

BrOz; 2 seconds

k

Bowmessage; what sound card do you have?

Fox[work], how much ram do you have?

downhillgames is there a howto upgrade the kernel then? last time i tried my box wouldnt reboot, and its in a datecenter so i cant just flip the switch

Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller

before with ndiswrapper the hardware was present and everything it showed the networks just when i clicked to connect to the NETGEAR network it would freeze

1gig

rmmod?

ok there

AJaymn; yum install kernel

ndiswrapper is uninstalled

ok, you are doing this from a boot up right Fox[work] ?

AJaymn; yum install kernel kernel-devel if you need both the new kernel and source

yes i am

now do i have to type modprobe madwifi?

I wasn't paying attention sorry.

np

downhillgames will that lock up the box on reboot though?

?

lock up the box? it shouldn't
it will install the newest kernel
any custom-built modules will need to be rebuilt

downhillgames madwifi and livna are installed now what do i do?

BrOz_; looking.

downhillgames anything else i would have to do before "reboot" after the upgrade?

kk

http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/FirstTimeHowTo

well Fox[work] if I remember correctly the ramdisk is a portion of your ram set up to hold the operating portion of the installation

AJaymn; unless you're keeping astranged, yet vital information from the channel, no, it should just reboot to the new kernel

if its run out of space where are you trying to install your installation Fox[work]
?

nope

you can look at /boot/grub/grub.conf to make sure the newest is set as default (after install)

do i have to make mafwifi?

nope?

BrOz_; no. you installed with yum instead

alright so i can skip to what?

BrOz_; modprobe ath_pci

one sec

ok
now after this

Installing:
kernel i686 2.6.18-1.2798.fc6 core 16 M
kernel i586 2.6.22.1-32.fc6 updates 16 M
kernel-devel i686 2.6.20-1.2962.fc6 updates 4.8 M
Removing:
kernel i586 2.6.20-1.2933.fc6 installed 43 M
sorry… thats the output..

whoa, paste

no idea whats wrong

yeah. that'll install the newest kernel, AJaymn.
and remove one

why is it installing i586?

yeah
dang… i can't manage everyone in the channel myself

AJaymn, known issue with FC6, check the release notes

AJaymn; yes. it's the i586 bug. you need to install the i686 kernel.
what is the exact name of the newest kernel?
2.6.22.1-32.fc6 –i assume

lol
wlanconfig ath0 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode sta

how do i do that though? after the yum command.. is there more to do before a reboot to make it use the new kernel?

says no such device

hmmm
Fedora 7 is borked

AJaymn, check the release notes, it has a couple of way to correct that issue
s/way/ways

don't reboot the box yet.

i have better install with FC6

omg lol

BrOz_; ls /dev/ath0

so if I just installed fedora, I'll have the latest ALSA drivers right?

downhillgames then thats what went wrong last time. I rebooted after the update.

no such file or director

AJaymn; if this is a tomcat server hosting i question why you're running Fedora in the first place.
BrOz_; doh! do: rpm -q madwifi
and uname -r

AJaymn, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/FC6Common

no one knows why i get this error msg?
ran out of compressed data
invalid compressed format (err=1)

ok…
now what
it says madwifi-0.9.3.1-1.lvn7

and uname -r?

i type uname -r
2.6.22.1-41.fc7

and what is rpm -q kmod-madwifi?

something is preventing either the set up of the ramdisk or the utilization of it Fox[work] are you trying to setup the os in ram or have you even gotten that far?

no

kmod-madwifi-0.9.3.1-2.2.6.22.1_1_41.fc7

not gotten that far

oh wait…. Fox[work] …

i'm not trying to install on come compact flash or something
some*

have you checked the media Fox[work] ?

yes i did
its fine

BrOz_; k… and did the modprobe line work?

rexbinary so do i not do the yum update kernel… and instead do yumdownloader kernel.i686 ?

yes it did i believe
it didnt error

ok.
BrOz_; paste the output of lsmod to http://www.rafb.net/paste/
then give the URL

AJaymn, yum update kernel will only give you the latest i586 kernel

Fox[work], are you using the proper release? such as 64 for 64 bit processors and x86 for 32 bit?

AJaymn, so yeah follow the steps on there

i believe so

I remember on linux disro i tried had a voice for system sound that said things like "Welcome" and "Good Bye". Anyone know if a package that does that?

believe so? lets be sure
what version did you download?

don't remember

well that helps… lol

you want the link to that?

yeah

rafb.net/p/HsCltN43.html

404

heh

well Fox[work] I am going to bed…. I am sure if you are persistent someone in here will help you. 5am comes very early

http://
http://rafb.net/p/HsCltN43.html

Linux isn't for the lame.

hold me 2

BrOz_; …it's hard to f' up a pastebin link lol

2lol
im on my laptop here
and my box is beside me
:/

Any ideas on that package anyone?

http://rafb.net/p/HsCltN34.html
yay

walterwoj; i'd have to search yum.

walterwoj, just change the sounds yourself. it's not hard.

yumex*

Is there a build in sound scheme like that? Or do i have to find one?

festival? or something higher level that uses festival?

oh yeah.. enable the sounds then just point them to the .wav's
BrOz_; ls /dev/wla*

no such file or directory
lol
)
im hopless
4 days trying to get this up
ndiswrapper got me furthest

there isn't a /dev/wlan0 ?

nope
dude
how do i reverse all of this
im gonna try ndiswrapper with the netgear win2000 driver

oh that's easy… yum remove kmod-madwifi madwifi
but hang on

alright
im willing to try anything i got 2 weeks to do this lol

i'm talking with someone about this lol.. i avoid wireless like the plague

:P

in ANY OS

PCI cards are a pain

i dislike wireless as a technology

me 2
but i want my box upstairs so yea

BrOz_; open that pastebin agian ls /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/

I was about to ask ho to get my wireless card working…..

lol
want me to paste that?

BrOz_; and ls /dev/
yes

DEATH TO WIRELESS*
lol
im determined also
if i can build a computer i can sure as hell do this

argh
Magic Fedora 7 distro WORK!

lolz

do you have anything in /proc/net/wireless?

it refuses me

permisson denied
and i am root
wow?
http://rafb.net/p/7ts2zb99.html

how's that paste coming along?
iup-wireless?

?
whats that

ifup wireless

in console i type that?

yeah
oh i have that too…

configuration for wireless not found
usafe ifup device name
oO
usage*

anyone have issues using a pentium D on fedora 7?

so do i install the netgear .INF driver
with this?
ifup wireless WG311.INF

no

kk
what now?

Have you tried iwconfig?

lo no wireless ext
eth1 no wireless ect
ext*
dude how come ndiswrapper got the hardware present and the back was lit up but now its not and it found the NETGEAR network but on connect it would swirl then just the comp froze

BrOz_; you have an atheros card. madifi is installed. the module loads properly. no device is in /dev/ and utilities can't recognize it.

so what does this mean?

that means what it means

how do i get this to work
and are you sure i have a atheros card?

maybe it means more to a wireless guru, but that's what we've discovered with madwifi…
yeah

can you pastebin the output of 'dmesg' ?

one sec

that too
and lspci

ok
i got the box for the card bsdie me
NETGEAR 54 MBPS WIRELESS PCI ADAPTER WG311 V2
http://rafb.net/p/5RICCF75.html
http://rafb.net/p/5RlCCF75.html
sorry
if you get this to work you will have a E-slave for life

lol

output if 'iwconfig eth1' and try 'ifup eth1' ?

lol.

what?

http://rafb.net/p/xHlimi18.html
oops one sec

opsec, dude… may need your assistance with some IRC commands that i messed up

BrOz_, 404

http://rafb.net/p/xHIimi18.html

?

thats the correct

should have gotten the v1 … v2 won't work different chipset

seems to be a duplicate of the last one.

opsec, totally off topic, but i registered an irc channel, and seemed to have -o ed myself, docs i've been reading are a bit ambiguous

what do you mean
oh

Hey guys, does anyone know if Fedora has drivers for this piece of hardware? http://killernic.com/products/nicspec.aspx#tabs

will v2 work on linux?

opsec; do you know which driver to use with ndiswrapper

OMFG DOWNHILL
i was right -.-
ndiswrapper is the way to go

no, i personally don't use it

dude, how was i to know?

it's the only option though with that specific card

opsec

BrOz_; yum remove kmod-madwifi madwifi

yea

i recommend the 511T

i had ndiswrapper installed before
opsec i have the right driver i think

BrOz_; a fresh install [of ndsiwrapper] never hurt

3

if you can still return it .. get the 511T if you want native madwifi support

screwdriver through the PCB lol j/k

lol

if you regged the chan you should have the channel pass right?

i dont want native wifi support
opsec i want my v2 to work lol

he said it was atheros chipset but it's TI ACX111

i see, you want "peg leg support" my mistake

yah.. i do, also had time add myself to the access list

ok so madwifi is uninstalled
so what do i need to get this PCI to work

opsec, .. at level 10

try /cs op #channel

opsec when i had ndiswrapper it worked and all i had the right driver it detected my NETGEAR router in the basment but when i tryed to connect the computers started to swirl then whole comp just forze
the light came on and everything
whats the command to install ndiswrapper?

yum install kmod-ndiswrapper ndiswrapper

i personally would take that card back ..

yeah, me too

opsec i can't
otherwise i would

can someone help me with ytalk

sell it on craigslist?

dude
i just want it to work
why would you take it back
i dont have the option to take it back

install ndiswrapper

is there any way to get it to work?

http://fedoramobile.org/fc-wireless/ndis-yum-livna/
right there

It's stolen.. he can't return it.

lawl

installing ndiswrapper

but i'm not helping any further.

jackrippr how did you know?

i don't use or recommend the use of ndiswrapper

I saw it in your pastebin

opsec why dont you like ndiswrapper

lol JackRippr
saw it in your pastebin, rofl

it's a buggy, peg leg approach to getting something to work
ndiswrapper is a pile of junk code

yea but its my only choice

Anyone know?

personally i would rather use ethernet

it is with this specific card with you insist on using that has no native linux support

but i cant

There's always this http://acx100.sourceforge.net/ but you're on your own.

it can cause things like machines locking up.

im gonna use ndiswrapper
can anyone help me?

ndiswrapper is notorius for causing kernel panics

did you read the link that opsec posted to your above?

br0z i just *did* help you .. follow the howto

yea
opsec

whats the command to see what kernel your running?

i had ndiswrapper before

uname -a

with the right windows driver
everything was working
but when i tryed to connect to the network
whole computer freeze why is this

enough history lessons .. go read the howto

lol k

"HD"

if you get stuck come back for help and be prepared to provide exact details, commands used, versions, config files etc

opsec

opsec, will try in a few… trying to get some ideas down in oo.org writer before i lose them

have u ever installed ytalk in fedora 7

yum install ytalk?

the ytalkd wont install

Does anyone know a good php IDE?

walterwoj, emacs

emacs?
But will that handle projects and code completion, etc?
I'm looking for something like zend…

got anymore to go on than that?

it does syntax hilighting

Maybe like eclipse is for java?
I have tried the php host for eclipse and it is so far off base it's sad.

yo
it detects my network now
ive done all the steps
hopfully it works
it froze again
omfg
yo how come that happened
i clicked on the NETGEAR network
it started to swirl
then mycomputer froze

this is why i don't recommend ndiswrapper

well can you help me get it going

i told you what i'd do..

i followed all the steps

i bought a 511T because it has a native chipset

lol

i have reinstalled FC7 and I am just waiting for the package updater to finish after which I would appreciate some help in getting my wireless connection configured

opsec
is ther anything else i can do
something else other then ndiswrapper?

provide the output of lspci to rafb.net/paste

how about

i've given you your options

acx100?
would that work
dude im 15
i cant go out and buy a new card

yes, i can tel

thanks you were really helpful

try typing complete sentences on a single line

can you at least tell me if acx100 will work?

how would i know?
i stick with things that i know for a fact will work in linux

walterwoj, vim! ^x^o

i recommend you do the same if you want a trouble free linux hosting experience

hmm
lol
hmm
whats the card i need?

scroll up, i've told you at least 3 times

511T
how much would this cost me?
how much did u pay for urs

google.com

http://rafb.net/p/4Hq0d121.html

http://kbserver.netgear.com/products_automatic/WG311v2.asp
oO
acx100 will work

simple stuff ..
http://fedoramobile.org/fc-wireless/madwifi-yum-livna

good

opsec
im gonna prove you wrong

hi, i'm giving my account on a box to a friend but i don't want him to mess up the processes running under that account, what should i google for how to make an account check other account's processes too?

can yum install acx100?

once you've updated: rpm -ivh http://rpm.livna.org/livna-release-7.rpm && yum install kmod-madwifi
no, it can't

so i will have to compile host this manually
with gcc?
correct

you are on your own with this one

alright

opsec im still waiting for package updater to finish

can i get a good luck?

good luck!

woot
good night guys

i hope it works.. now please stop polluting the channel for a bit

just so i get a chance with him too

polluting hahaha
hey just because im active and have a life no need to get so angery

i'm not angry .. but i can spell

man I love the Dixie chicks

i have a daughter your age .. if she brings you home with her .. you better run.

and I too am ashamed the president is from Texas

oh yeah?

lol

we will see whos running mr

can we ignore the real life problems and help me out for a second

cause you will be the one behind the pistol
and that must make you very old :/
my dads 50 i bet your older then him

enough.
go deal with your card

lol

opsec, what can i google for to make an account that can control processes of another account, if i have root access?

one last thing and im gone
command to uninstall ndiswrapper?

yum remove packagename

i run a server on one of the box accounts, and i'm giving that one to a friend, but i still want to control it with another account other rhan root
actually i can't even do screen -list with root and get the screens

pepperpaint, your question still doesn't make sense

oh yeah Terri Clarke can be my dirt girl anytime
dirty girl that is

oh great
ive got loads of workto do
:/

i have three processes running on an account named "server" which is a game server, and i'm giving that account to somebody else

good Lord package updater is slow

very

FC 8 will be on final release before I get FC 7 set up
will we still be around to see FC 2000?
cause I think about these things

how long do you expect to live?

well another 50 years I hope

pepperpaint, still not clear, but i'd guess you'd want sudo

hmmm
howd you do that action zcat?

Dwayne, /exec pkill xchat

im using Konversation

drat

but pkill xchat doesnt sound like a good thing

thanks zcat
looking at it, but i was hoping for something simpler

is opsec in Dahouzz?

"simple" would be not giving someone you don't trust access to a machine you want up and running

pkill unknown command

su -

what would change my wireless hardware from wlan0 eth1? This is where all my problems started after a yum update

not having the correct kernel module for your card

I reinstalled F7 and installed your HowTO and the device is seen now as wlan0 and not eth1 and now works 100%
I also tired fredhrpms method as well and it works to
hm kernel module so a yum update may have changed that?

yes, i know that's why i wrote the howtos .. because i verified that they work

back to kdms

E-mu: of course, if your kernel was updated
E-mu: we went all over this .. seems you have forgotten valuable information i told you

not good

Dwayne, /me emotes

my howtos work with every single fedora kernel that has come out since i wrote it

then thats what happened. Remember I told you kdms was working until after I did a yum update and now I know what happened it removed kernel "2.6.21-1.3228.fc7" and installed 2.6.22-41 and thats when I noticed my deviice was not brought up anymore and wlan0 during boot
then thats what happened. Remember I told you kdms was working until after I did a yum update and now I know what happened it removed kernel "2.6.21-1.3228.fc7" and installed 2.6.22-41 and thats when I noticed my deviice was not brought up anymore and wlan0 during boot

hmmmmm

using 10 different methods is *only* going to complicate your issue until you're back again to a reinstall

Thats Great!! will continue to use it then

what good is that command zcat?

E-mu: stop… listen.

I just wanted to see what happened is all. So when I do a yum update all I have to do is follow step #7 for id a new kernel is installed?
bI just wanted to see what happened is all. So when I do a yum update all I have to do is follow step #7 for id a new kernel is installed?/b

E-mu: yes

why?

sdodson, because hemorrhoid cream shouldn't be reused

exactly

ok Not using any other methoda anymore trust me

sdodson, gotcha!

methods

E-mu: here is the proceedure once you get it working

I figured I'd give in.

E-mu: if a yum update provides you a new kernel .. #1 reboot into that new kernel #2 redo step 7 of my howto .. #3 reboot into the new kernel again

where is your howto's?

fedorasolved.org

ok I am writing that down now
as a note

roflmao
i was laughinh so hard I almost shook my laptop screen off
wow package updater is still going
thats about 45 minutes so far
define:kernel module
Kernel Module
A dynamically loaded kernel function such as a filesystem or a device driver.
i googled it

feisty fish
no, wait, i was thinking of walleye
haven't been fishing in too long

walleye is pickerel
same fish different name
a pickerel is the female walleye
and the male is just called walleye

the iwlwifi started from kernel 2.6.21 onwards ?

when a walleye courts a pickerel…………

somewhere around there

you know trys to mate………………
well he asks her out to a dance or something
and
Im not sure where to go with this

how about nowhere?

yrs nowhere

when you come in here and type a bunch of nonsense you do only one thing..

zcat is probably busy googling walleye and pickerel

people who are watching and might otherwise help you .. won't anymore

sorry
i'll stop

anyone using 2.6.22.1-50?

hello
i have a question… it might sound silly…
if i upgrade fedora, will it update mysql and apache too?
(i don't want it to)

define "upgrade"

from fc2 to fc7

of course it would

/headdesk

fc2 is not even supported for like 2 years

awww
yes i know
but i want to upgrade mysql at a later stage when i can test that it doesn't break anything

you think all development on mysql and apache just suddenly stopped?
if this is a server you've got the wrong os on it
try centos or rhel if you want a paid support contract

yes i know, but it wasn't my choice

of course it was

errr i didnt install fedora on this machine
i know, i know
so upgrading a release also upgrades mysql and apache automatically? i can't choose to ignore them?

come on man .. use some common sense

hi, is there anything like ADC [http://www.xemico.com/adc/index.html] for fedora 7. thanks in adv

common sense? im not an admin so i don't have admin common sense

every single package will be replaced/updated

hi opsec, sorry to bother you, but Dwayne on #kde recommended me to you. I have a problem — is it possible to make hidden mailing lists (the list of recipients is suppressed) with KMail?

i don;t use kwindows .. but you can always use bcc
any mail client should have a bcc option

ah…
that's right, thanks!

blind carbon copy

ok thanks opsec… i'll have to make sure everything upgrades ok

backup your myswl database and your apache configs and website data .. then try and upgrade
cross your fingers and hope it works
that's a pretty big jump though

i like fedora i cant wait for my DVD

you need not wait. it's free. you can download

i sent it to him today

i fixed my problem without having to reinstall fedora

my linux
don have make command
where can i install it?

O.o

ermm

http//www.helpmeinstallmake.com

make install make

ohh

do you have fedora installed?

ohh
wait i check it for you
kinda linux
1 EDT 2007 i686

this is not fedora
for what reason did you think you needed to join #fedora?

well sorry for ask question wrong posstion

/j ##linux

thanks opsec

darn

Is there some RPM for livna that gives me a configuration to use with Smart?

lol
im back :/

welcome back

ive got a problem

not that i am aware of

That's a paddlin….

i cant install my netgear wg 311 v2 using ndiswrapper cause it is a buggy peice of crap
and acx100 i have no clue how to use
is there any other solution?
i think im gonna buy the 511T like you said opsex

you have already been told

sec*

now be quiet

now be nice

im off to bed now

opsec your not the most helpful person in here
so please shut you mouth

then stop asking the same questions over and over

well maybye if you gave me the right answer i wouldnt bug you so much?

you're not going to last long here
BrOz:
i did give you the right answer you dipshit

no you didn't
you gave me a link
i followed as instructed
i shouldnt have to buy a new card to get my internet working

TYOUR CARD DOES NOT WORKD IN FEDORA AND NEVER WILL

well

go get a new card. end of story

alright
and if it doesnt work?

google for an open source driver first…

why

BrOz, because you need to reverse the polarity of /dev/null

how would i do this?

BrOz, linux is an open source operating system, and if various hardware vendors don't release the tech-specs about their chipsets, it is very difficult to create free drivers for them

yes reverse the polarity of /dev/null

/dev/null

and this will fix?

I swear by it

its true

i saw a couple

I did it and it works

watch my computer be distroyed
:/
i did that
now what

It will magically convince your manufacturer to release an open source driver

opsec quick question, should the device show as wlan0 or eth1?

just give it a few years

does it matter?

HAHAHAHA?
why the fuck does hardware companys not create support for linux
windows is the worst operating system ever made

Dunno, go ask them yourself

bill gates is a fake
i dont wanna go back to using windows

then don't.
use some hardware that Just Works

lol

not something you find in the bargin bin

gotta reboot my package update is done brb for help

why should i pay more just to use a os?

BrOz, my notebook has a built-in tv tuner and webcam, but I can't use either of them with linux…actually I can't use them with vista either because there's no driver support

Yeah, why should you upgrade your computer every few years for the next version of windows

because bill gates loves money!

yea

BrOz, you are at the mercy of the computer industry.
they make the rules.

yea
but i dont like to follow rules

only a few players are nice and understand how to win.
then don't play the game.
go amish

lol
i need internet
or i will die

then obey the rules of the game

lol

its really that simple.

FUCKING FINE ILL BUY A NEW CARD

I'm glad we are on the same grounds now.

what's with the language?

im pissed off?

.

i pay for a card and it is only native to windows

:P

ping

hmm

join the club

yea
i have a question

What's up?

you say try try /cs op #channel ?

how come ever since i installed fedora i cant install windows from my disk anymore?
i insert the disk and it does nothing

cooll… pretty sure it was you who suggested modifing the udev.rues to get a definitive dev name, right?

but other disks work

Probably.

BrOz, so support the open vendors in your buying practices, and that means you may need to spent a little more money in your selection, but you'll be happier in the long run

have you ever drank fine wine then gone drink tap water?

We're not responsible for making the Windows disc boot.

yea

attempted such, crafted some rules, and udevtest has the same output after as it did before

If MS can't igure out how to make it boot then there's nothing we can do about it.

windows cant read ext2 and other linux partitions just like some distro's cant do NTFS!

im asking you how can i make it work?

Show me.

windows can read ext2 with the appropriate free drivers

fedora (in that order)

are you here for awhile? or leaving soon?

but not from the boot disc (installer)

what do i need

I am starting to drift off…

yo ge
t

hm….

how do i install windows from fedora?

think i'll get back to you on that… have another problem that may be time sensitive

cause my disk aint workin

Fair enough.

maybye ill just do this the easy way

vmware?

http://support.microsoft.com/

HA!
i need driver to make the disk work?

You need MS to figure out how to make their boot work.

thanks for making me feel dumb again

i looked on a microsoft support site… Don't call or email they will make u pay 100's of bucks

lol

well opsec fixed my first prob… back to udev… gathering data

i had a few questions about fedora:

go ahead

how do i get windows again
i want WINDOWS BACK!

why is this tolerated?

i am new to fedora.. i had ubuntu for a few months

tell me how to install windows and i will be gone

i wanted to know what is better… Fedora 7 or Ubuntu 7?

BrOz, is your disk partitioned?

yes
the problem is

do you have a windows partition?

no
just fedora 7 right now

put in the fedora dvd or a gparted cd (if u got it),

fedora live cd?
then what

yeah

Windows installation is not a Fedora issue. Take it to PM.

yes it is
when i installed fedora 7
my xp install disk stopped working
its not corrupted in any way

shrink the fedora partition so that windows can work (give about 10gigs)

BrOz, join #arggh

LOL

Doesn't work is a strong saying. Does it want more money? Does it sit at home all day? Be specific!

then add another partition (NTFS)
then try installing………..

lol
i gotta create custom partition?

http://rafb.net/p/NiG7ro34.html , http://rafb.net/p/2VkUVq76.html , http://rafb.net/p/cqPtTw96.html

if you delete a wlan0 device from the sytem-config-network gui is it possible it would re add it as eth1?
I'm trying to figure out why it won't re ad the device as a wlan0 and it adds it as eth1

If they don't have symlinks in the first place then you should use == instead of +=.

ok… will change and see if that makes a diff

is AC'97 and GeForce 2 (or 4) supported?

is there a file it might remember the device somewhere?

i never had fedora (only ubuntu)

Yes, but not 3D on the GeForces yet I don't think.

so only 2D Then…
the pc's from 02 i think

hey guys, can anyone recommend some good disk profiling tools? i mean i want to measure the performance of my disk when my program is running… also just to know how much memory vs. swapping is going on

But there are packages for 3D available from third-party sources.

ok…
and can i install other packages or make other packages (like .deb)

Yes.
But .rpm instead.

well if i distrubute a file for the ubuntu or a debian based distro
i think rpms are used more commonly (as well as .tar.gz) in linux
but that could be the sites i go to…

I d/l madwifi and set it up as per fedoramobile.org all I need to do is reboot and configure it normally but I have a couple questions first

creating symlink '/dev/pvr250_video' to 'video1'

didn't get an equivalent for video0, going to double check data points there

I want tyo be able to have my wireless connection start on boot up without any screens asking for a password for the keyring and without a screen asking for my wep key I want it to auto start

also my video card supports 3 outputs (laptop monitor,VGA,AV-OUT) when in switching to av-out in ubuntu my screen would mess up… what happens in fedora

Wait, you're mixing the ID and the name?

is this possible?

i hope not…. not sure what you mean by that however… mixing it where/how?

SYSFS{name}=="BT878 video _Hauppauge _bt878__", ID=="0000:02:0c.0"

and is there like a package setup (not like a list of rpms in a repository) but like an Add\Remove thing!

Wait, that line has an extra double quote…
There's quite a few docs linked to from the home page.

good eye, thanks

just doing some research before i use a whole DVD!!!!

not sure where i've made any other errors, the ID seems to match lspci
udev test still seems to ignore my rule for the WinTV FM card

Strip off rules until it works, then add rules until it's specific enough.

any idea on where i should start stripping off? ie. in my rules, or the default rules?

Your rules.

haha, so I just bought a dell with ubuntu on it

i have to wonder how people handle thise device name thing… the default behavior is quite annonying

$400 bucks. not bad. dunno if I coulda built one myself for cheaper

Most people don't have a dozen V2L devices in their machines

i only recently added the second card
before, i had my sound card jumping from dsp to dsp2 semi randomly

I don't see a name in that section. Did you try using the IDs?

in reference to the sound card? or the current tv card udev ruels?

The current rules.

no.. not yet… as i've pasted them is basically as they've been… still getting used to these udev rules… power ful things… just semi complex for now
got it to work with KERNEL=="video[0-9]*", SYSFS{name}=="*video*bt878*", SYMLINK=="wintvfm_video"

is there a fc7 rpm for Miro ?

can I ask a quick question. If I remove a wlan0 device from system-config-network gui, is there a conf file or some file that remembers what device was there? When the device gets added again it comes up as eth1 instead of wlan0

eth1 is better imho
1 less character

lol

I am trying to figure out how it names it wlan0 its hardcoded and cannot be changed

locate ifcfg-wlan0

ah ok

E-mu : eth means ethernet you know. wlan, wireless lan.
E-mu : do you really think you wireless is ethernet ? -_-
s/you/&/r

my wifi was eth1 by default in fc7

it shouldnt have been, imho.

not at all

doesnt seem to matter
after some update it randomly changed to eth0 and my nic became eth1 and it still continued to work fine

weird

110 (Connection timed out))

I am wondering if Opsec's HowTo from source put the wireless device in as eth1 or not because kdms from freshrpms does name the device wlan0

E-mu: you've spent entirely too much energy on this issue and beaten it to death.

what is kdms?

sec

alias

http://fedoramobile.org/fc-wireless/intel-3945-from-freshrpms/

dummy hour i see ..

If you install yum –enablerepo=freshrpms install dkms dkms-ipw3945 ipw3945d ipw3945-firmware

and for my next trick
….

then remove it then install opsec howto from source it puts thata device in as eth1
opsec is yours wlan show up as eth1? or wlan0?

still around?

For now.

well i think i have the rules working… how do i implement them without rebooting?

no such file in locate databe ifcfg-wlan0
database I mean sorry

I'm not really sure. But you can make the symlinks yourself in the meantime.

then its in /etc/modprobe.conf
like someone told u a minute ago

ah ok

ok… wanted to test… might as well reboot then

holy moly there it is!!!!!!!!
opsec so is that ok so have that alias with your HowTo install?

are dns servers under attack? or is my internet just slow?

anyone using checkinstall?

**** i cut my ear while shaving
ear bleeding out on my earphones

siimo, put some salt in it

i did

ivazquez, seems like the rules worked.. .thanks

mono music ftl

What you want for that is alum.

ANYONE get miro working on fc7 ?

how do i change my nick?

/nick NotDwayne

/help nick.
see the irchelp website, and your /help..

:/help nick

anyone getting the following with KDE and livna?
Missing Dependency: kdemultimedia3 = 3.5.7 is needed by package kdemultimedia-extras-nonfree

don't use kde so no

cool

what good is Network Manager what does it do?

NetworkManager is teh shizzel
lets you pick and choose which wifi nets to join

teh shizzel?

yeah i said it
what

^Cowboy^: http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/images/wireless-at-tealuxe.png

isn't it a little more seamless and problem free without using Network Manager?

no
i have waaaaay less problems since i started using it
in fact, it always works
and needs pretty much no configuration
OK i got miro working and i can confirm that its badass

I tried it and i hated always having to give the keyring a password and alwasy having to give my wep key
can you set uo Network manager to auto load on start up without all the hassle of password and wep key?

yes
i dont ever have to type my WPA key, which is good cus its like 50 characters

would you mind sharing the information
with myself

gnome-keyring and kwallet both work w/ NetworkManager
u do have to type the password for gnomekeyring or kwallet each boot

how do I configure network manager to auto load on start up

what distro u have?

shite I wanna stay away from the password
FC 7

just make the WPA password VERY VERY DIFFICULT AND LONG
and the kwallet password short
and simple

^Cowboy^, use chkconfig to enable the NetworkManager server

yes, make sure its installed, then use '/sbin/chkconfig –level 345 NetworkManager on'

but if I have to always enter a password on start up for network manager to start my wireless connection I lose that much time on every start up

make the gnome-keyring password short and simple

I dont wanna lose time

the point is that the WPA password is very strong

I wanna gain time on start up

^^^^^^^^

\ok if i do install network manager is it easy to uninstall?

yes…

^Cowboy^, i've seen some articles on how to grant NetworkManager access to the gnome-keyring without a password

yum uninstall NetworkManager would work?

yes

really

lol
forget it

bitchkat where dude?
bitchkat your du man

^Cowboy^, I can't remember (and its dudette). I'd seen if googling on NetworkManager gnome-keyring turns anything u[
s/u[/up/

your du woman
I'll try and google for it
thanks everybody

why i can't login in 7.90?

why is there sky outside?

42
it related to "permission denied", but the error message is disappeared so quickly..
After installation, and first login attempt failed..

it's a new feature due to be included in f8.. no one is allowed to login .. prevents user errors from occuring

hello everyone, can I use crontab to schedule a job run as root?

crontab -e

really?

haha
yes
but i'm pretty sure you need to be able to become root to do that
man crontab

pembo13, just figuring it out some sec ago

crink, of course not, he's trying to be funny

thanks for your hint!

no prob
you had to spoil it, huh

it is not funny at all, i was tried 7.90 2 times, but the login problem driving me crazy..

you were tried? how many years were you given
?

~

he did not say he was convicted wise guy

true

I dont know how to install the libpam-pwdfile, shouldnt it just be yum install libpam-pwdfile?

hi all - I know this isnt strictly a linux question but as we are all techies I hope you dont mind - I need a new adsl router and am torn between a netgear next wireless n router and a linksys n router - has anyone had any experience good or bad with any of them - thanks

they all should work fine since its a router and you will talk to it via ethernet or wireless client
as long as the n spec is backward compatible

i know its fine on the linux side but wasnt sure about reliability, range etc and seeing as we are all techies and very critical of bad things thought it was worth asking

i had a linksys wrt54g but i traded it to my girlfriend in exchange for her paying for dinner at an indian restaurant. i am proud of that barter

lol
good deal
i have a linksys wrt54g will she trade me for a dinner?

pretty sad actually.

i think she only needs one =P

shite
i `can find nothing on confguring network manager to auto load on start up

if you aren't traveling around using multiple wifi nets then you don't really need NetworkManager

thats what i think also

use system-config-network and configure the device normally

I mean my wireless is running at start up as is

you should not be required to enter your key repeatedly

so why would I need network manager

á ºS-‡Î

NetworkManager is needed if you travel around and take your laptop to cafes and other places

I take my windows laptop when I travel anyway

is here any taiwanese ?

no

oh

do you have a fedora related question?

next problem is installing video codecs

me?
me ?

yes, you

ajneok, ?

I have a new install of FC 7 and I need to install all the video codecs

sorry, type mistake…

ajneok, /join #defocus

dwayne .. one sec

^Cowboy^, livna

hmm… my english is poor , but i have some question about the DHCP service…

: [tofaffy@tofaffy-desktop ~]$ firefox-32
/usr/lib/firefox-2.0.0.5/firefox-bin not found

removed fglrx and ath_pci in single user then did suspend. worked flawlessly
just going to try resume

do you want it to change netsurf3 ?

tofaffy, the error message should be clear, isnt it`

well…I see that, but i'm not sure what i'm supposed to do.
I'm new to fedora

not really.'

why ec

try opening a new terminal session

why u execute firefox-32 and not firefox?

then everyone in here email the software and hardware producers and complain that they have no place to spend their money because they would rather use linux then other things

f_newton, ? what do you mean want it to change?

is it easy to get beryl to work under FC6

b52, because I'm in 64bit and I can't use flash with 64 bit firefox

i cant make it do it

do you want it to become where linux has access to mfgrs firmware?
then everyone in here email services spam free the software and hardware producers and complain that they have no place to spend their money because they would rather use linux then other things

just like that, eh?

yes
a mfgr's main goal is profit

good luck with that then

money talks bull crap walks
vote with your wallet

f_newton, hmm true
but it isnt always possible

but I'm just the director of a large npo
dont listen to me

i wish there were an open version of coldfusion

my entire organization can use whatever software they want, including operating systems but all my hardware is specifically purchased with linux in mind

i am a student set to start uni later this year i need a laptop. i wish to run linux and cannot afford to buy a certified fedora linux compatible laptop when i have one already
(laptop that is)
i can try shouting at acer

they have certified linux compatable laptops?

workman161, i think dell just started to do ubuntu

I didn't realize that there were linux incompatable laptops
or that there was a governing body handing out certifications

workman161, mine are

who certified it?

I did

lol

not good enough for you?

netsurf3, dell did just start using ubuntu

well that explains everything

dont buy one
next!

there's just people who are selling "linux certified" laptops

whats so bad about dell?

nothing

nothing i like dell

I like dell but the dell 1390 truemobile mini pci e wifi card sux

i got told that dells like to fall apart

The problem with linux certified laptops is that linux isn't an OS.

I'd rather just buy a good quality laptop and split the disk into XP and linux

right

dell poweredge 2650 and 2850's have given me the fewest and if there are the most easy to fix hardware difficulties

fedora is an os ubuntu is almost like an os suse is an os

sdodson, so what is linux then?

how can i check which modules are actually loaded
ß

linux is the core

a kernel

gnu/linux is the kernel
linux is the OS

hmm

fedora and ubuntu are distributions of the OS

malkav_, well Ive had a lot of power supply problems with the dell dedicated servers

f_newton, I actually like ubuntu

I prefer HP servers
good for you tofaffy

much like that extra cruft Dell and whatnot supply with your windows machines, it just depends on how the thing is held together

You could have fedora or ubuntu certified laptops. There's too much variance between distros to have something "linux certified"

I like the debian system
I prefer fedora and RH

as long as the thing can boot secure linux web hosting and get me to a shell, I consider it 'linux certified'

sdodson, yes but hardware acceptance is pretty much a linux kernel thing

for me my 2nd choice is suse

well workman161 then you would love my telephone

and all distros run the same kernel?

no\
you know better then that

f_newton, you have a neo?

you are one of the smartest ones here
nope
a simple motorola flip phone

ah

So you certify "runs with 2.6.23 or later" but that leaves out the ubuntu crowd who have no idea what kernel they run

lol
uname -r?

sdodson lol

lol life generally leaves out the ubuntu do it all for me crowd

sudo automatix —lols –easierthanfedora –yayyubuntu

heh

to be fair they are just people who dont care for win32 stuff but want simplicity

but with ubuntu you get the spinning cube!

but then that is generalising

actually the spinning cube us underrated since you cant get the spinning cube outside of linux
so its a feature that windows cant do

malkav_, you've never got bored with oxo cubes have you?

never heard of it
netsurf3 i just googled lol
bullion cubes?

:P
http://www.oxo.co.uk/products/standard_cubes.php

yeah i dont see other americans doing that when there's cans and powdered soup available
brits are weird

lol
Americans are weird they think that they invented the english language

we did

malkav_, it is called english for a reason

yeah because we invented it when we drove you off of our shores with muskets

………..
lol

heehehe.. excuse me guys, but i have to get my question out of my chest

i heard from other brits that they like to skip over 1776-1785 in history class over there
is that true

malkav_, yeah
lol

and they emphasize 1812
because the white house got burned down

methinks that england in general just needs to get a grip and move on

well they lost like 90% of their empire

yall are off topic

yeah and england ,the bastard son of a roman empire, thinks it invented civilization

lmao
f_newton, you were ancestor was from england dont forget

it doesn't matter who invented it, we speak the most of it

lol my ancestors were scots

malkav_, because you have more people than england?

yes
by what, 5 times?

a little more than that

well my mother was a jewish princess from spain

england has like 60 million right?

well actually her mother's mother was

go google malkav_

llol

f_newton, your a princess

netsurf3, I got yer princess swingin

lol

you had a question?

i know you are male thats why i called you a princess

i was right on the nose 60 million

lol

america has about 300mil

hmm
5 times

not to mention about 18 million mexicans

rather small for somewhere as huge as America

i agree

we are about 235 million citizens and about 65 million illegal invaders

lol

but we were not a developing nation for very long and are not today

who would those illegal invaders be?

developing nation = high birth rate

hmm true
china?

around here… its about 1.2 million mexican visitors

f_newton no actually there's 300 million actual legitimates

lmao

301,139,947 (July 2007 est.)

so why are mexicans so eager to become usa citizens?

money

KC0WYC, yep. my net interface is named as 'wlan0' and i'm having problems with apps looking for eth1. for some apps, i can configure eth1 to wlan0, but for most i can't. i was thinking of renaming wlan0 into eth1 using udev, but my fedora7 doesn't have a udev rule for it. as for ifrename, there's no /etc/iftab

mexico is low in money?

actually the ones that get over the border you notice are all very dark skinned
as you go south

man iftab

there are white mexicans
and they are the upper class
so yeah there's a race thing down there

mexico is a country not a racial division
its a very diverse nation of may ethnics

and which apps exactly are looking for eth1?

f_newton it seems that way though if you're in texas

I am in texas

the white mexicans are the ones jumping the border

he is in Texas

f_newton, it is where the spain people settled isnt it?

arent

no the hungry jobless are jumping the border

yep
because they are brown

lol

and you know wwhat they say about Texas…

what a description

malkav_, seems like you have some issues there

i dont have issues mexico has issues
they cant get along with their races

workman161, some of it makes me angry too…

im calling it like it is mexico hates brown people

?

lets not get off on this very silly tangent

y'all are STILL OFF TOPIC

this is waaaaaay off topic
jinx

so if i put lots and lots of fake tan on swam to mexico they would hate me?

LUNIX
yes
well they wouldnt give you a good job anyway

thats weird
probably alot more to it than that but they dont teach american history in mandatory history in england
tend to stick to the crappy victorians industrial revolution etc

we spend one year on world history one year on western civilization one year on american history

sounds much better

and about a semester on world religion

Stop

KC0WYC, whats your problem?

malkav_, if i were you Id listen to him

am i gonna get banned?
ban me.

very good chance, yes

go on

not looking for a ban just wondering why we cant have debates

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_farter

O.o

not the place for your conversation

you can in #fedora-social

because this is a support channel for fedora

didnt know that existed

but fedora works perfectly
it doesnt need support

of course, lets close the channel then.

yes

malkav_, snap out of it

I want to work on another project in fedora besides livecd-tools-ui
those guys are kids
they reflect badly on fedora
i want to work with pros

jimPy, redhat is hiring im told

all they showed me was there inexperience
who wants to be associated with that lind of crap

Is this the point where I lambast you for 5th grade grammar skills?

for typos?

go for it
they aren't typos if you consistently make them and don't correct them

sdodson, no no wait til he starts bragging about his associates degree…. no offense jimPy your education is important and appreciated

at least i can design software instead of steal it

You just got served.

lol

i used to be a process server

I personally don't steal software… I order its construction and pay for its production

i don't have a degree and went to school for 3 years. i recieved more training than someone with an associates and have jack shit to show for it

Ive cleaned out bank accounts of smug people

this is not a pissing contest… this is a help channel
the kind of help you need jimPy isnt offered here…. try #psychiatrists_r_us

jimPy i have a very honest question for you. Are you retarded? answer truthfully

only to have them call and beg for their money back

let go of the anger

someone gives me crap for mentioning my education

again…. this offtopic stuff can really ruffle feathers….

jimPy Are you sure you aren't retarded? Have you gone to a clinic to be tested for retardation?

some of you shgould get one

no jimPy they give you crap because you are so emotionally angry

there are literally thousands of open source projects. it's just a matter of finding the one that fits you.

oh its on, man

lol

wait, whoops, forgot that we don't care in here.

workman161, dont bait

I quit a 3300$ a month job because of crap like that

jimPy, that wasnt very bright

wow you ARE retarded then

Im gonna stay here until it gets fixed

lol can anyone point out the errors of that statement?

ethics==retard?

yes

don't bait, eh?

lol

ok ok…. I do know better

hey f_newton which repo thing i installed yesterday?

Maybe i am a retard for caring

livna

yes
you are

no you arent a retard, you are too emotionally angry…. let it go

you just admitted you're retarded awesome

oh dear

can u tell me the link again plz?

malkav_, wait til your 12th birthday before you try to play with the big boys

the iq in this room just dropped 100 points

rpm.livna.org

thx

yw

ok ok…. I do know better You almost fooled me there…

lol

workman161, sorry got dc'd there. anyway, wifi-radar doesn't have some sort of wifi-radar.conf or something… creating the /etc/iftab didn't work either

/etc/iftab is only used by ifrename, so just creating it isn't enough.

Im going to find out who I need to speakto about this nand I'm going to make a BIG STINK

….
jimPy, calm down its only irc

no its linux, and its fedora, this isn't the state of california
I cant just walk away

who's in charge of the live cd project? talk to them

you can't clone code and release and call it your own

jimPy, you can with open source so stop being a weenie and read the GPL

than why am i not the only one pissed

I think autopsy should get the credit myself
he worked on it for two years

I can think of ten or twenty command line tools i can write a front end for

most people in the distro biz are just pissed cuz fedora is waaaay bleeding edge n they aint

so get busy and stop trolling in here

good advice
my advice is not to get angry but get busy instead

Oh if you only knew the history of what you are talking about

imagine my dismay at realizing there are people out there almost as smart and good looking as me!

I've never had that feeling

yeah, i should just give up and sweep it under a rug. then go babk to praising the dutch boys

I let it go though
jimPy, you should use your energy to create
not berate
but its ok
I guess though, compared to your associates degree my years at stanford are meaningless

please stop

not to belittle you…. your work and efforts are every bit as valid as a harvard grad
ok

he left

lopl
lol
dang

workman161, i think i'll ditch the iftab. it's too manual, so i'll try and make udev work for me instead. thanks for the help!

so that was apparently someone you knew?

np
nope, just someone with a different opinion
crazy, someone doesn't agree with my perfect little conceptualization of a utopia

ok, then the degree stuff is totally confusing

no sdodson he came in yesterday evening and was ranting about how smart he was and how hard he worked for his associates degree in computer science

ok, so there is a back story then

sdodson, he was kicked because he wouldnt stop
yes and I was just making fun in a friendly way….
oh wait he left in a huff before he was kicked
the dodson was I graduated in 74 and went to school with people like peter norton and the people who founded sun yet Ive done nothing with my degree and his associates is worth much more to him then my expensive semi ivy league education was to me
hmmmm
this mouse problem is causing me fits
at least im not angry

just crazy talking to yourself :p

lol who else would listen?

heh

poor guy is probably upset because he lost his job

i'm trying to run xvidcap to screen record , but it eats all my cpu and slows everything down
does anyone know of a better program, or maybe how to speed up my cpu, or other programs that can be shut down?
like in services

I've heard good things about istanbul

i have that too
same prob

hmm

and recordmydesktop
i was reading that there is a way to set up vnc and connect to the same computer and that could do it
but sounds odd

that works well actually

so i could use vnc on the same computer, and use xvid on the same computer?
doesn't that still eat the same amount of cpu?

I think something like screenkast and vnc will bypass your need for xvidcap

hmmm
i've never used vnc

me either

screenkast is worth looking at

looking at it now
know of any rpm's for it?
found one
thanks

are u trying to capture the whole screen, or a window?

whole screen
i use istanbul at school and it works great, but the computers i believe are better, and there is a tech team
so i'm sure everything is prob set up better than i do too

which package contains mp3 codec?

b53, various, in the livna repo.

how do i install from source?
i unzipped the tar
then went into the directory
and did ./configure
now i tried make
and i get No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.

tompop, not our problem

not your prob no
but asking for help
maybe someone in here will help other than you

zcat, in which package?

b52, various. yum list \*mp3\* \*nonfree\*

and what is the right plugin, lame?

hello
i have a problem with YUM , Fedora 7

need to be a little more descriptive…

There was a problem importing one of the Python modules
required to run yum. The error leading to this problem was:
/usr/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/zlibmodule.so: undefined symbol: inflateCopy
Please install a package which provides this module, or
verify that the module is installed correctly.
It's possible that the above module doesn't match the
current version of Python, which is:
1908, Apr 10 2007,
[GCC 4.1.2 20070403 (Red Hat 4.1.2-8)]
If you cannot solve this problem yourself, please go to
the yum faq at:
http://wiki.linux.duke.edu/YumFaq
oh
yes, i ran "yum" command
and it said that
?
:-(

first you should not IRC as root

it doesnt matter.

yes

second it is rude to paste that much crap to the channel

doesnt mean that you cant use that as a gauge of how competent the person is about security

yes, i'm sorry

now, is this an upgrade or clean install?

ares you talking about "python ?

no I am talking about your fedora install

ah, it's a clean install
i have used it since 5-31

can you give the output of "rpm -q yum gcc python" http://rafb.net/paste

yum-3.2.1-1.fc7
gcc-4.1.2-12
python-2.5-12.fc7

Ok so yum has worked at some point since you installed
have you rebooted recently?

is there some way I can register a script in /etc/init.d/ as a service?

i have used it since 5-31

fqhuy, rpm -V yum gcc python

I have to leave for work, good luck

Hmmhesays, man chkconfig for the header and –add

what does this command means ?

fqhuy, checks to see if any bits are flipped that shouldn't be

do you need to see the output ?
zcat

how many lines? should only see yum.conf changed

Is there any way to start KDE under Fedora ?

choose session at the login screen, Richard_In_Swede

I have no loginscreen but I have a boot-up screen with a selection of linux version to start

no, you must wait for the login screen

Richard_In_Swede, it sounds like you are talking about the boot loader. You have to pick your linux version and wait for the login prompt to come up

How can I gen an loginscreen. Fedora installation gave me only an prompt. From the loginprompt I got a shell after login. In the shellprompt I run startx and Gnome starts.

Richard_In_Swede, run gdm

hey, zcat
http://files-upload.com/414774/newfile.html

Richard_In_Swede, so you installed in text mode? you need to switch to runlevel 5. change initdefault from 3 to 5 in /etc/inittab

I will try gdm - thanks. Is there anything I should know further about this ?

i have just upload the ouputs

Richard_In_Swede, otherwise, I know when I ran slackware I would change the .xinitrc file in the home directory to tell it which desktop manager — ignore me. zcat knows far more than I.

fqhuy, i haven't download it? nothanks. use rafb.net/paste
s/haven't/have to/

how can i use this command "rafb.net/paste"
i'm newbie here

I have checked xinitrc and there was none interesting about it.

how do i check what programs are currently running in redora?

fqhuy, it's a website to copy/paste stuff to.
fqhuy, open it in firefox, and it's pretty straight forward from there.
Richard_In_Swede, if I were you, I'd check that /etc/inittab zcat was talking about.
Richard_In_Swede, after you change initdefault from 3 to 5 it should boot to the graphical login prompt that will let you select kde.

In Fedora there is a program called "System Monitor" and it reviels very much

how do i access it
i've been searching
can't find it

OK I will try change initdefault to 5 insead of 3. This variable should be in the file /etc/inittab. Am I correct ?

hi guys .. what is the font used for making the fedora logo ?

Richard_In_Swede, correct

http://rafb.net/p/FyZYuZ69.html here it is
zcat, please help me

well I was gonna tell picklejar where to find that app, oh well lol

hi guys . is there any documentation/url that has a guideline regarding the usage of the fedora logo ?

Yes. Check the wiki.

# Run xdm in runlevel 5 br/x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon
Nothing to change - sorry

Richard_In_Swede, in my /etc/inittab, the line is:

hi … I am having a problem with the Hibernate option. Can't connect to the internet(ADSL) after it wakes up from hibernation. Anyone know why this is so?

Richard_In_Swede, id:5:initdefault:
Richard_In_Swede, yours probably says id:3:initdefault:
Richard_In_Swede, look for that line

I found id:3:initdefault: Now I change to id:5:initdefault: - OK
Saved.

Correct me if I'm wrong, zcat, but all Richard_In_Swede should have to do now is reboot, right?

Now I have to reboot and Hastalavista - I will be back - right ?

don't have to reboot; you can just run 'init 5'

Richard_In_Swede, see? even better

zcat

Then, to run "init 5" - I have to logout of gnome ?

http://www.rafb.net/paste

Ok see yah!

brb I want to see how kde is on F7

ivazquez, would be easier if 'gdmflexiserver –xnest' actually worked, so you didn't have to use Xnest directly

Did they break it in F7?

http://rafb.net/p/XXwrtD29.html
ivazquez

ivazquez, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=241220

Your manual installation of mono is interfering with system operation.

yes
how can i resolve it?

Aha, good to know.
Remove your manual installation of mono.

hi, how can i make work zope in fedora 7?

You can't.

http://dailypackage.fedorabook.com/index.php?/archives/110-GUI-Thursday-Xnest-A-nested-X-server.html

Indeed.

ezq, download the unified installer for linux .. it works
download, extract, and run the setup

thx i wil try

but i need mono
ivazquez
i installed it from add/remove menu
but it did'nt work
and then i install it manually

hello. I need a shell script for HTB dynamic limiting a class C network. i've googled around but i can find only htb-gen scripts and htb.init config files. anyone can help me? maybe with a link or something?

jtek, not me dude. I have no clue how to do scripts lol

please can anyone help I have an emergency! I am trying to access a directory and when i type ls -l some of the folders are red with ? next to them, when i try to access them i get an error -bash: cd: more2sort3: Input/output error

How can I get into the "updates menu"

is there anyway to recover them

where can i get de zope unified installer? i can't find it in zope.org

brb yet again, trying different things

are they symlinks, zzoid?

sdodson, no
sdodson, they are directories

I've just actually read up on drm fully for the first time….wtf??

yes, what you said

frozty_sa, Digital Rights Management or Direct Rendering Module (I think, the dri thing)

nice to have a PR department not telling you about the fact that you are buying an OS which will give them control control
management
I mean, !!!!!!!!!!!!

As long as you remember that the rights it manages is not that of the consumer…

how do i check running processes in fedora6?

and that rights are not things inherently deserving of respect until they are earned

ps -A

i've read that it is system monitor, but i do not see it anywhere

How can I get into the "updates menu"?

picklejar, System, Administration

system - administration - system monitor

not it my administation
not there

Is there any way to recover a file when ls shows ?——— ? ? ? ? ? myfile

picklejar, then do the ps -a from the command

did that
but not as informative

ps -AF

How can I get into the "updates menu"?

and i'm curious where the fuck my system monitor is

then you get process info down to exact running path etc

picklejar, language.

sorry

steffan please pay attention several have answered already

picklejar, can you run gnome-system-monitor from a command line?

administration

i'm on kde
but no
command not found

"command not found?" A: Run the command AS ROOT after switching users with "su –login" or "su -" in order to get root's command PATH so the command WILL be found; don't run "su" by itself. If it's still not found, then either it's not installed in a standard path location (echo $PATH), is not executable (chmod a+x), is in your current dir (./runme), or you've spelled it incorrectly.

picklejar, Ah, I've never really used kde. Lemmie do a quick google.

k
thanks

picklejar, If I'm reading correctly, ksysguard should have a Process table

where is the answer?

ah
awesome
thankyou so much krypnos

picklejar, no problem.

should there be 2 xorg's running?

picklejar, no idea

k

Anyone know how to change the color my text/comments pop up as in xchat? They show up as some gray that's not even in my SettingsPreferencesColors tab
nevermind

wlan suxx hard with fedora
/j #fedora-de

What happened to the "move to" amd "copy to" context menu options???
they are gone in F7?

Are there any issues with running compiz on x86_64?
for some reason, I am unable to enable desktop effects

boxxertrumps, konqueror? they're there

?

Oh, I see that I have the NVidai 7300LE which is unsupported

gantrixx, thanx for reminding me, I forgot to test that…. works fine on this end

I'll buy a new card today, any recommendations

bah… can't play this morning's launch in my browser… gotta wget it and mplayer it. http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/on_demand_video.html?param=|http://mfile.akamai.com/18565/rm/etouchsyst2.download.akamai.com/18355/real.nasa-global/ksc/ksc_080407_phx_launch.ram|http://mfile.akamai.com/18566/wmv/etouchsyst2.download.akamai.com/18355/wm.nasa-global/ksc/ksc_080407_phx_launch.asx

They are not there, only move to trash

is the defualt subnet mask 255.255.255.0 ?

I don't mind helping test
I'm new to x86_64
I've noticed several problems already

gantrixx, this is the only os I can get working on my lappy which is X86 84…..

you can't get ubuntu 64 to work?

nope hangs baddddddddd

bummer
my laptop is still 32 bit
name an nVidia GeForce card, I'll go buy it and test it
it looks like my nVidia 7300LE isn't supported http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Video_Card_Support_Under_XGL

mine on the lappy is the nvidia GeForce Go 6150
works well except on install of the f7, I had to go into single user, then install livna and the nvidia stuff, then it works just fine

I think I'll try the 7900GT 7950GT or 8800GTX
depends on what Fry's has in stock
I think I need a different sound card also
my sound is very scratchy

How can I get into the "updates menu"?

ok gents, I'm off to Fry's Electronics

whats the right writing of the system-network-setup cmd?

hi
1, 1 user, load average: 0.04, 0.09,
Can i know the start date of the box
I know its 124 days ago

bah, latest kernel update broke usb-drive automounting again

but can we find out from the Linux box

what's up with that?
works, doesn't work, works, doesn't work. blah!
2.6.22.1-41.fc7
that one doesn't work
anyone know which bugzilla entry is following the usb-drive hald stuff WRT the kernel updates breaking it ?

any body can help me here

it would be 124 days ago… what are you looking for?

the actual date and time it went onlne
online*

well, it would be in the logs… /var/log/messages for example, but they are only keept for 4 months by default, so it would be not there in your case unless you are keeping more logs.

nirik I have lots of messages file
so which one i need to check to look for the old dates

also, if you like you can get the total number of seconds your system has been up since boot in /proc/uptime… (first number)

10718594.21
so i have to divide this by 60 secs

one other sneaky way would be to look at rpm -qa –last
and find out when the VERY first updates were applied

Take that and subtract it from the current epoch.

that would give you a rough ballpark as to when the system was first brought online, provided you immeidately updated the packages on the system for security purposes once you booted it

how can i get update manager up?

kaushal, python -c "import time; print time.ctime(time.time() - float(open('/proc/uptime').read().split()[0]))"

ok

Steffan, you keep asking that over and over. run pup

no one answers

Steffan, or just 'yum update' from the cmdline

or yum install yumex
then use yumex

zcat
# python -c "import time; print time.ctime(time.time() - float(open('/proc/uptime').read().split()[0]))"
Traceback (innermost last):
File "string", line 1, in ?
'string' object has no attribute 'split'

kaushal, meh. worksforme. no errorchecking in oneliners.

Red Hat Linux release 6.2 (Zoot)

gah
so your python and os version is ancient. you're in the wrong channel

does anyone know of a good site that has a guide to tweaking services
my computer is running rather slow for some reason
i'm trying to shut off any un used programs

chkconfig someservice off && service someservice stop

http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-services-fc5.html

thank you hicks

more than ancient
more like xenolithic
yeesh
heck, even I only go back as far as RHL 7.2 but I sure as heck don't still use it

hey i want to remove gnome and replace it with fluxbox is there any guide someone can point me to…

where could i ask questions about awk?
nm ..#awk ftw

i tired bootin up fedora 7 kde live cd but after it loads up the screen just goes black….anyone know how to prevent this?

there is a service in fedora called cpuspeed
how do i open this and see the settings?

See /etc/sysconfig/cpuspeed, perhaps?
And man cpuspeed/look at /usr/share/doc/cpuspeed*

not seeing anything
there is a cpuspeed in /usr/bin
but it will not run

cpuspeed is depreciated in newer releases… they use the kernel ondemand module.

what exactly is a swap? and what should it be set at? could that be what is slowing down my cpu
?

swap space is virtual memory using your disk… it's very much slower than real memory… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swap_space
ie, if your memory gets full, the disk can be used to page in and out chunks of memory so you can keep going, but having more real memory is much better.

it doesn't access this until i run out of real memory though right?
so it may never be accessed?

correct.

how come i was reading that when you add more memory, you should add more swap space?
doesn't make sense,

How can i make Flash wrk in my fedora 7 ? Ex . www.youtube.com videos …. i already install the latest adobe package and java and still dont work

hmm.. so i upgraded from FC6 to F7.. and i now noticed several new folders in ~/ .. 'Download' 'Video' etc.. what stupid program created those?

yes it does, let's say you want to hibernate your laptop, you need the same amount of swap as memory else you can't write your memory to disk

I don't recall the package name, but if you remove them it won't make them again.
xdg-user-dirs

that's a good way to find out.

it makes less sense than it used to since memory is now pretty cheap. In the distant past memory was small and expensive… but yeah, for suspend to disk you do want it at least as large as your memory

i tired bootin up fedora 7 kde live cd but after it loads up the screen just goes black….anyone know how to prevent this?

opsec 'what ''that'''?
and why would that be installed.. it's just stupid!

k
thanks

it's just stupid! waaaaa!

Anyone available to help me ?

no.
heh

hiya opsec

flash is easy

:-)

did you get the adobe flash program?

ow boohooh.. i only used the word 'stupid'.. and if you disagree about that, your choice. But no reason for such a weird reply.

put the libflashplayer.so file in ~/.mozilla/plugins and restart firefox

Program ?

One of the reasons i use linux. is that I am in control.. I did a simple upgrade of FC6 to F7 and now there suddenly is this package installed I didn't ask for.
anyway. thanks nirik .

well, saying it's stupid isn't very useful. You don't like it, but the XDG/gnome folks thought it would be helpfull. Talk to them..

do you think it's helpful for you or anyone else to come in and ask what stupid fedora program put some new stupid directories on your computer?

shouldn't that be '…stupid computer'.

go into #gnome and ask.. since it's gnome related

well sorry that i'm such a critic then

i forgot.

ArmEagle, http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/05/31/new-in-fedora-7-xdg-user-directories/

you may well be frustrated because of it .. but aksing questions that way transfers that frustration to others who would have otherwise helped you

I personally don't like it making dirs for me, but I understand that for new users this may be useful. Also, it is smart enough to not re-create them if you remove them.

nirik, same. i use ~/Documents, and everything else goes in ~/stuff

it always annoyed me in windows that there were folders for 'My Images' 'My Videos', in 'My Documents'. Especialyl since images go to a separate partition, etc. I guess it's time to part from Gnome and install some nice lightweight WM again..

good reason to part with gnome

i always had images, etc on a separate partition, no reason to dump that in my documents)

any reason is a good reason to part with gnome :0

maybe for YOU
the os is made for *everyone* however
and sadly most users are not smart .. and don't understand
they need "my computer" "my docs" "my pictures" etc etc
most people want and need things done for them

but there's absolutely no reason to install that package in a FC6-F7 upgrade..

having the default folders also allows for translating them…

they are not currently capable fo making hard choices like that
no reason for YOU

no reason for anyone.. they managed just fine in FC6, why would one need it in F7?

you are not the person fedora was solely created for however..
who knows,.. but is there *really* that big of a damn deal?
there are other things that deserve far more attention ..
some people just like to complain .. so they feel important

obsec , done , but still dont work

nirik well 'support for' is fine..but i just noticed that it is required by KDE.

did you follow their instructions?

aside from that, how are you liking f7?

nirik dunno yet. i haven't done much special yet

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=249282 has the issue that deals with my problem with usb drives not mounting after the kernel update, and it seems to be related to a udev issue which is currently in updates-testing

.. i jsut hope that this one Java game will maybe not crash now..

how about hoping it works?

commenting out the relevant line in /etc/udev/rules.d/05-udev-early.rules as mentioned in the bug report, resolves the problem with the current kernel release
in case anyone else is experiencing this, check out that bug report

if you wish for something to NOT happen .. you are wishing for the negative..
bif you wish for something to NOT happen .. you are wishing for the negative../b

any fusion-icon users here?

no it isn't
maybe in math
but not here

it's a negative negative is what it is

well a not-crash is a positive in my book

but do 3 lefts make a right?

i'm just trying to point out that you are habitually negative.. perhaps this is something to think about in regards to your "problems"
i personally don't want or like those extra dirs .. but i don't whine about it
i deleted them .. done.

how do I use NetworkManager?

turn the service on .. along with dispatcher

and some people just like to bash

su –login

they both are running. but I don't know how to use them to connect to networks

in fact, if i install fedora as default .. i spend quite a while removing and adding things how i personally like them

there should be a networkmanager applet now… click on it.

there is an applet in your tray

but I am not using gnome or kde

opsec lol yeah like bluetooth

what are you using? any gui? or command line?
s/command line/text login/

it's made for integration into one of those DE's

then theres uninstalling and reinstalling rythmbox if you even use rythmbox

opsec me too. one drawback of Fedora imo. But i managed that just fine.

drawback?

yeah
installation should be minimal by default

well yes i know 'normal users want everything done for them'

any os that gets installed must be tweaked

NetworkManager also works fine under Xfce.

i don't think any person installs any os and doesn't tweak it somewhat

is there anything for linux that does anything like SolarWinds network mapper

it's just part of installing a new os

iirc F installs a lot.. where one could have been given the option to select a minimal packages manually.

you can
you just didn't do it

you can make a custom minimal spin…

Hello guys. what's the latest kernel for fedora 7?

Opsec , what other step after moving the file to /mozila/plugins i gotta do ? cause still dont functions

im still running 6

read their instructions

what advantages do i get out of fc7

2.6.22.1-41.fc7

oh ok

obsec , from where

advantages from fc7 anyone

from the adobe website

It's F7 now, by the way- see the release notes for more info.

nirik because the -33 had some problems

but I am in fvwm

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/Fedora7
I don't think fvwm has any systray support, so you cant use network manager there.

I run stalonetray in fvwm

ok, then try running 'nm-applet' and see if it shows up in your tray?

i have to say i dont like the balloons as much as i liked the Fedora DNA theme

it's a good thing you can change the theme to your liking then

malkav_

did a yum update yesterday and that was after I installed inkscape
yum yes
pirut

not really …it seems crazy, but once you start to get your way around you will see how amazingly easy some stuff is

BTW, -41 has now been pushed into updates.

cool

ah great

yeah like fedora that i completely screwed up on

bitchkat, of course the discussions should always be about technical facts and opinions and never become personal in any way.

no shame in that
I screwed up my first re-partition install too

AgoLaura, no one expects you a pro when you just start out

it was just the merge that ruined it

just double-checking…if I'm running -27 and update to 41, the updater will leave -27 in place and remove the -33 that is here, is that definitely the case?

Yes.

CaneToad, if you are running -27 while doing the update, yes.

i merged the 20 with my windows and then it completely messed up

ivazquez, i guess I have a problem with people keeping technical details from problems. If someone had pointed out technical issues (like the obsoletes problem which I was unaware)

yes, I'm running -27

s/problems/people/

hang on….

ok

time is OK now on new kernel

ok I'm back

ok

want to co-op?

co-op?

did you merge that partition into your windows one via partition magic?

bitchkat, support problems are also valid arguments.

co-operate

wouldn't mind an assist — I'm no windows guru although I do have a passable knowledge

bitchkat, people that have to ask are generally rather clueless and well if they run into further issues later they might get stuck and drop their first linux install ever.

che, there are trade offs in everything

bitchkat, agreed.

there I can help. quite windows-capable (uni pc's run solely windoze) and ran windows as power user till last year

Just checked for updates…says none yet…perhaps it takes a little time

WebDragon and I will then try to help you together

I came from about 18 years of macintosh background until getting into RHL 7.2 back in 2001 or so, and have upgraded throughout to get to F7

You should still be able to get it from updates-testing in the meantime.

uh WebDragon|away just how long ago do you think the mac came out?

The Mac was around in 1983?

got X working on a 486 dx2/66 with 32M of ram, using RHL 7.2 although I had to switch to windowmaker and then to blackbox instead of gnome due to how slow and hoggish nautilus was at the time

WebDragon|away, i am still a windowmaker fan

The Mac is a lot older than most people think.

1984

I was a Mac guy from 1987 onwards

very very old

WebDragon|away, its a pity that upstream is basically dead

still have a mac but haven't used it in two years

hmmm I guess it has been 20 yrs

sorry got dc

my how time flies

I was an Amiga dude

lol I was a commadore dude

I remember reading up on mac 'lisa' for a compsci history paper once

f_newton, c64?

and yes frozty i merged the 20 unallocated with windows and it messed up

oh yeah
I still have software for it

live dc is finished downloading, webdragon

all perfectly working

ok let us know when you're done burning it and have started the boot process with it on the other machine

I threw all that stuff away when I remodled my house and that was before the xwife got it

ok

heheh che I still have my TRS-80 model III in grandma's basement

I've got an Atari here somewhere that I wanna play with….

WebDragon|away, muahaha
frozty_sa, st?

I shit you not — including GIANT lineprinter
complete with green-bar paper
hehe

I went to a trs 80 with the phoenix bios floppy start up disk after the commadore

looool

heheheheheheh

burning now

what do you mean st?

frozty_sa, what kind of atari?

Atari ST

I think I still have an old mac 2e …

i should have a 2600 console around somewhere aswell

not sure, offhand…I'll have to find it to check

somewhere

apple IIe

yeah thats it
lol

the Mac didn't come out until later, after the apple IIgs

never could get it to do much
the macintosh
was a line of apple

still is

wow laptops sound like fans when they burn

man it HAS been a long time

yeah it has

damn damn damn now how do we get the linux hosting kernel into a box with 64 kb ram and no hd

I had a Mac by the time I graduated high school
2gb flash drives

my first computer came from the back page of a science magazine and cost 79 dollars and had to be assembled

rofl

WebDragon|away, i think the dynamic memory management has to go aswell

heathkit!!
LOL

no heathkits were waaaaaay advanced
this was a xenith

R O F L

or something like that

I have on my laptop my user with id 500 and my girlfriend user with id 501. On my new desktop, I installed F7 today and I put my girlfriend user with id 500. I would like to have the same id than my laptop, but in the user configuration gui tool of Fedora there is not an option to change the
users' id. Any suggestions, please? Maybe can I just create my user with id 501 and then change the names and the home dir?

i had a heathkit O scope

yeah that'
that's possible

talking about burning DVDs, I have some big 4Gb+ files to backup, and if I try to burn any of them with CD/DVD creator, it fails with a strange and unexplained error, presumably because ISO format can't write them. Is there no way to burn the big files?

GionnyBoss, theres a rather simple way

WebDragon|away, ok thanks. I just wanted to be sure to don't do a mess

Any UDF support?

che, tell me, please

CaneToad, use a dvdram drive

I could buy nero for linux
and burn UDF
any free solutions?
UDF supports large files, and fedora can read UDF

GionnyBoss, the two files you want to look at are /etc/passwd and /etc/group

dvdram disks are too expensive

GionnyBoss, before you change things right away though… look at it carefully

tricky, especially with /etc/shadow

WebDragon|laptop, agreed

easier to use the user management tool to add a new user and swap dirs

'lo all

Use genisoimage directly.

3Ì(

WebDragon|away, or to remove all users and create them newly

can anyone see the persian font im using?

yeah or that

M`aR`k: I can

Woot!

M`aR`k, sure

M`aR`k: it looks damn cool

No clue what it says though.

possible you could delete the original 500 user and start over with the user manager tool ?

M`aR`k: i do.

Wow, compact.

Fedora has *amazing* i18n support.

done

good lord I got some free when I bought my burner

WebDragon|away, I don't know I don't want to risk. I think I will just swap dirs. Now it is all empty, home is empty

M`aR`k: I can too looks good
oh so delete the user and start over
easiest that way

yes, I've noticed. it's one of the major reasons why I loooooooooove this distro

log in as root and use the user management tool

3'DE

WebDragon|away, but if I remove the user from the gui tool… can I remove the user that I am using?
WebDragon|away, yeah I can do that

"users and groups"

means hello

M`aR`k, do you have a clue what it actually means?

isnt there some rule in here about ttl art?

WebDragon|away, probably I can just change gdm to allow root to log in

just log out and log back in as root and you're golden

M`aR`k, neat

LOL yeah that might help

im booting into the live dc now

Yea. Im still getting used to the keyboard setup though.

cool

Im so impressed with linux right now. Its not even funny.

M`aR`k, how many letters are there?
M`aR`k, regular letters, alphabet or however you call it

WebDragon|away, lol, yeah! Thanks for your suggestions. I just wanted to talk with someone as you to be more sure what to do… I'm always scared when I have to do this kind of things

Glyphs.

m`
hmmmm

35 ~40 ish

doesn't that involve chisels and stone tablets?

M`aR`k, fedora is impressive

No.

ivazquez, lets call it characters

it said error on device like 8 trimes then theres just a line flashing under them now

What woould be even more impressive is if I can figure out how to install FGLRX ati binary driver so I can pass my first two cedega checklist tests

M`aR`k, for keyboard setup there is a little application called keytouch that simplifies your life if you have keyboards with special keys

it tried to mount it automatically ? can you be more specific about the errors ?

ivazquez, glyph basically implies that its kinda picture symbol

I just have a regular keyboard. I actually took a magic marker to it to label whats what.

ivazquez, my understanding is that genisoimage doesn't properly support UDF which means that the disks it generates can have compatibility issues

the wost thing in fedora - absence of clean & tidy cyrillic fonts

Buffer I/0 error on device sr0, logical block 358120

ivazquez, ok i admit i just checked a dictionary )
ivazquez, hehe

has the boot process otherwise stopped? (does it say 'panic' anywhere?)

yes the boot process has stopped and no panic

ok what the heck

Fedora solved has such a sexy layout.

if you look back up the chain of errors can you see where the errors began ?

ermm

and are you able to see what the last successful thing it tried to do, was ?

Uncompressing Linux…… OK, booting the kernel. then errors

hrmm

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/F7Common

initrd was the last succesfull

Did you verify the iso image after downloading?

i used ISO burner i can test it on my laptop if you want
deepburner i mean

might not be a bad idea

ok then brb

Verifying the burn is pointless if you have a bad download.

also verifying that the download was fully successful wouldn't be a bad idea either because without that, it won't matter whether the burn works or not

grab the sha1 file to check your iso agoode

I have a question.

erm…

whoops

M`aR`k: Ask away.

http://www.fedorasolved.org/video-solutions/ati-yum-livna?searchterm=FGLRX+ati My yum is already configured and installed like it says.

and

The step im on is "doing the work". I typed the command in and I get this at the end:
Transaction Check Error:
package kernel-2.6.20-1.2962.fc6 is already installed

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/FC6Common

but theres a bunch more lines after that, all under this I believe

Read that.

Ok

Particularly the kernel section.

M`aR`k, yum -d 0 list kernel

http://pastebin.com/m32de9a25 ? Happens very very regularly, especially under disk load

Check BZ.

Im 1386, btw.
i386*

Of course you are.

pardon my ignorance, but what is "BZ" ?

And you have the i586 kernel installed when you should have the i686.

bugzilla

Bugzilla. See the topic.

I thought i686 was for 64 bit?

M`aR`k: no

Under available packages, it says i686

M`aR`k: well, not to my mind. I might be mistaken

M`aR`k, paste the output

Installed Packages
kernel.i586 2.6.18-1.2798.fc6 installed
kernel.i586 2.6.20-1.2962.fc6 installed
Available Packages
kernel.i686 2.6.20-1.2962.fc6 updates

M`aR`k: next time, pastebin

come again?

http://pastebin.com/
http://rafb.net/paste/

so many sites to read! lol

and other similar

frozty_sa, i told him to

Oh, I see now.

it's a place to paste lots of text so it doesn't overscroll in irc

k, np

So basically, I want to read though that common bugs link
and upgrade my kernel through that?

M`aR`k, you need to run the i686 kernel
yep

Alright. I'll get on that!

ok i got it running on my pc
2nd time lucky

why kpowersafe shows CPU freq. twice less than it is?

ok webdragon im in fedora live

woot

Console

should vary from 1200 to 1800, but it shows 600-900

dont have console

anyone know whether the livecd is configured with NOPASSWD on sudo ?
does it have a Terminal option listed ?

yeah

ok pick that

im in
root@localhost

ah interesting .. ok
well that solves one question for me

i logged in as root

ok in the terminal type this command (fdisk -l) which is a lower case L
and it should list the drives in the system
what we're looking for specifically is the partition information that shows whether the hd's main partition is NTFS or not

it shows usage

Sorry
Got a phone call from my SGT

it should show /dev/sda1 as being HPFS/NTFS

Actually, nvm nobody was even talking to me.
So, this kernel I downloaded is larger than the 586 currect?

and partition is something like /dev/hda7

correct*

does that mean it's showing partitions from 1 - 7 separately ?

no thats what it says
thats what the partition is

crap. phone.. brb

ok

http://pastebin.com/d7b9751c0

M`aR`k: Follow the instructions on the page.

I am.

lol

Im just not sure if this kernel is bigger or smaller than my current.

ok back

M`aR`k: it is not bigger nor smaller, it's just different

ok

can you fire up the web browser in the livecd, go to www.pastebin.com and copy/paste the full out put of fdisk -l so I can see it ?

What does the size have to do with it?

this mess is still going on?

(it says to type the command I typed)

if you have to ask, you'll never know

Oh, the version.

im on my laptop so i would have to login to this somehow through my pc

we're booted into the fedora 7 live cd. any further complaints ?

M`aR`k: No, it's the same version. You're going to have to boot into the older one first.

this has been going on all day long

oh, you don't have the other box networked?

M`aR`k: if you are sure you need that kernel, add '–force' option…

so have your complaints

Im not sure

No, DON'T use –force.

well i have a router

Yea. I guess I'll try the ladder of the two options up there.

M`aR`k: Boot into the older kernel first.

thats controlled by the main pc

the liveCD is capable of getting online if you can drop a cable to the box

it is online
i can get on the net

oh then fire up a web browser on that box

M`aR`k: erm.. what processor is specified in /proc/cpuinfo

Ok. Since its the same, i used su -c "rpm -ivh –replacefiles –replacepkgs kernel-2*.i686.rpm"

go to www.pastebin.com

and it seems to be going well.

and copy the fdisk -l output from the terminal to the pastebin

let me check for you

M`aR`k: uname -p

athlon

then what

then paste the resulting url from the pastebin into here so I can go look at it myself online

Ok. it seems to have installed.
Its telling me to reboot in the instructions. Im going to do that, and ill be right back!

so i hit send
and then give you the url

yes

does anybody worked on linux running at z/VM?

Probably no one in here…

http://pastebin.com/d7aa43ce3

example output from my own system: http://pastebin.com/m6eb5fd36 you don't want to make yours look like this — it's just a sample

Although Rawhide does have a s390 branch.

ok let me look
ahh you used a 1 instead of a lowercase L ?

oh

hit q
that will quit out of fdisk
be careful not to type anything else

command not found

"command not found?" A: Run the command AS ROOT after switching users with "su –login" or "su -" in order to get root's command PATH so the command WILL be found; don't run "su" by itself. If it's still not found, then either it's not installed in a standard path location (echo $PATH), is not
executable (chmod a+x), is in your current dir (./runme), or you've spelled it incorrectly.

ah maybe you didn't enter fdisk yet .. good ok.. now try fdisk -l
lowercase L this time

so fdisk - l

no space between - and l
just (fdisk -l)

blind leading the blind .. how entertaining

right
pastebin time

keep it up opsec

you're a real optimist, you know?

do you have any complaints or problems with people wanting to mount an ntfs partiton into a working fedora install ?

this has been going on literally all day with these two

cuz if you do, we're gonna have some words

nothing has been solved

so have your complaints

just a lot of jabbering back and forth

Webdragon. http://pastebin.com/d1a225df8

I notice you've done little to help other than fill the channel with your whining about it
looking

ok

YES! ok it looks better than I'd thought

great

now the real test

lay it on me

OK. I understand what you are saying.

good luck everyone

ok — there's still no guarantees but we'll give it a shot

ok
soo?

(mkdir /media/c_drive)

do i q first

no
#

yeah
i typed it

second, (mount /dev/sda1 /media/c_drive -t ntfs-3g -r -o umask=0222) be very careful with this one

AgoLaura, WebDragon|laptop, I think you are close to solving it but why don't you take it privately? And should you need help with some part, just come back to the channel?

if this works, we ARE done

:-)
ok, keep fingers crossed!

its doing something
now its back to #

excellent
now you should be able to view the partition

how

you don't need to pastebin this, but do you get a list of directories when you do (ls /media/c_drive)

yeah

success
so the drive's not completely burnt out

nope
so how do i start burning my stuff

lucky lucky..

thanks allot btw

then my guess is just windoze being it's funked-out self again

normally I use k3b but the gnome based livecd doesn't come with it — zcat (I think) mentioned graveman as a possibility –

na it was my fault merging them
where do i find them

you can get a normal window-based listing of the partition using nautilus /media/c_drive

WebDragon|laptop, not i. (i use k3b exclusively)

graveman should be available under the applications menu somewhere provided it comes with the live cd

I agree with zcat

f_newton, nono, i mean i didn't mention 'graveman' because i've never heard of it. gnomebaker sounds similar tho.

sorry just weeping a bit here with joy
lol

heheh understandable
gnomebaker that was the other one — couldn't remember it

so i need to find grave
graveman

or gnomebaker
I believe nautilus can also do this on its own

hey all

but I've never used any of these so I can't give you anything resembling a walkthrough (which I'm sure will make opsec happy)
:P

Sorry about the long reboot.

you can also use xcdroast

So. Im pretty sure I installed this i686 kernel the right way.

yeah but I don't know if that comes on the F7 LiveCD billkelso
and wouldn't recommend it to a complete linux newb either

cant see ether in the menus

Sound and video

just music players

hm graveman is listed here.. let me think…
I don't suppose you have a usb flash key drive somewhere ?

only my psp with a 2gig mem

damn, well, they're only $20 or so for a 2g flash key drive
more than 2 cd-rom's worth of file space there

so i cant burn them

hey, how are the alsa-drivers distributed in Fedora?

k3b

you could just leave the system running, and jet out to the store and pick up a flash key drive

its 1 in the morn

no k3b on standard F7 live cd

UK?

yeah

no

so i cant install a burner

there is one, I just don't know which one is the one, on that disk
anyone here know ?

just a sec, i will boot fedora 7 in a minute

cd rom burning packages on the F7 Live CD (not the KDE one, the other one)

what do you need the burner for AgoLaura ?

backing up windows files off the mounted NTFS partition

to burn my stuff

do you have the live cd ?

yeah

heh

booted to it right now, f_newton
see above, no k3b possible, or I'd have already recommended its use

you use gparted to resize your disk?

what's the alternative to k3b on the F7 live cd ?

no magic partitioner

back
restarts are killer

M`aR`k: heh

booting as we speak…
…. virtualbox is great!

AgoLaura, the live cd comes with gparted i believe. if you used that to partition resize and partition your disk you could install f7 from the live cd and really not have to worry about losing your windata but the first time may not install grub correctly

So. My new kernel is installed.
I have direct rendering.
http://pastebin.com/d3a0a62c0

we've been that route once before — this time AgoLaura wants to back up the important files before trying this again
uwe've been that route once before — this time AgoLaura wants to back up the important files before trying this again/u

http://fedorasolved.org/video-solutions/ati-yum-livna?searchterm=fglrx+ati

well windows does have a burner built in to it

this presumes you can still boot into the windows partition

I don't think her windows boots

instead of only being able to mount it somewhere else somehow

lol thats what happens the first time you install fedora

not to me

reinstall it and suddenly you'll find your windows partition again or you can add chainloader +1 to your grub file

my laptop install worked flawlessly– resized the vista partition (using the windows boot cd for Partition commander) and installed F7 to the 2nd partition
everything worked flawlessly

wait a minute….

WebDragon|away, ewwwww vista

no need for a re-install at all

good idea on the chainloader thing…might be worth a try

I use vista as well |DrJef|

laptop came with it when my boss bought it for me

lol
good lord

Does anyone know why my output differs from the incorrect output on the site, even though its not correct?

that should have been the first step

I proceeded to split the drive in half and install fedora immediately forthwith

Ive done this several times WebDragon|away

And which line I would go about reading to solve the problem. I dont want to screw anything up by messing with a config file if I dont have to.

WebDragon|away, have you read the full eula text for vista…..ewwwwww

or WebDragon|laptop

well, I only joined later. dunno what was done through the day

you will find a cd/dvd creator under menu places in F7 live CD, try it out
byou will find a cd/dvd creator under menu places in F7 live CD, try it out/b

DrJef, something about they can uninstall anything they want on your comp?

don't really care as I hardly use it except to play a few games

|DrJef|, my laptop came with vista

bingo!
check that out– Places menu: CD/DVD creator

|DrJef|, does matlab even run on vista

couple channels up farther is "The Day After Tomorrow" if you've not seen it yet

that's the default gnome one…..just type 'burn://' in the nautilus address bar and it'll open that (for future reference)

VileGent, shrug… i'm doing everything in python

oh yeah thanks

oh sweet, cool. yeah I'll remember that

dont have those channels

So I guess im going to have to make my way over to the forums for this problem?

it's on FX (channel 37 here in delaware)

lol now I know two people from delaware
lol

cant burn wile live disc is in

doh!

hold on before you reboot

AgoLaura, mount the image hosting to ram

Deleware is still a state?
delaware*

so i restart

open a terminal if you don't have one open

lol its a state yes but about the size of a suburb of dallas

now you might want to consider waiting till the morning and getting that flash drive

oj
ok
frozty

if frozty_sa's idea doesn't work, that is

I'm from New York. People from my state think New York is its own country…. *sigh*

ducking out for another cig. back shortly

No Dragon!

doh

Thou must helpith!

ok

heh
I'll be back :]

Alrighty.

'fdisk /dev/sda'

it just tells me stuff

http://pastebin.com/d1a225df8

type 'd' [enter here] '2' [enter here]

it's all one big partition

look at the /dev/sda2

partition 2 has empty type

oh yeah ok .. yup, I'll go along with your suggestion

it's not normal, might be what is causing windows to get it's heart attack

could be, yeah
very possible
knowing windows

why does fedora hate me?

hehe

http://pastebin.com/d3a0a62c0

i dont mind windows im gonna reinstall when i have my stuff

did you do the second step as well?

yeah

I don't mind windows too much either, it is a currently slightly necessary evil

Given that fedora by default uses tcp window settings that cause problems with many routers (that don't properly support tcp window scaling), I believe that part of the network configuration in fedora linux needs to be determining whether the router in use
supports tcp window scaling and setting net.ipv4.tcp_window_scaling in sysctl.conf accorrdingly. If I were to log a bug/feature request, what component would that be against? Some installer component?

lol i just wanna back up but cant coz im using a live disc

M`aR`k: sounds more like you're graphics drivers do

lol.

I know. type 'p'

yeah

s/you're/your
has it removed that 2nd partition?

what

no, that is a way of correcting spelling mistakes

This is the only hurdle im facing at the moment. If I can solve this, im officially sticking with linux.

oh ok and i think it may have im not sure

paste it and lemme check

if i mount to RAM can i take the disc out and burn
ok

thanks

pastebin.com/m7cf086e6

press 'q'
then 'fdisk /dev/sda' again

ok
done

and then 'd' [enter] '2' [enter] 'p' [enter]
does it give you the same output as you have just posted?

hopefully not

Damnit cedega. BF2 splash is hanging on my screen

yup. did you check that paste?

no

yeah. eek
pastebin the results

OK. paste the new output as well please

pastebin.com/m17bb86bf

any idea as to why my USB drive is reading o bytes free? its 500GB and only got about 20GB on it

whew

type 'w' [enter]

its NTFS using NTFS-3g

pastebin.com/m63dbe14e

and then restart
try to see if that windoze now runs

without the livecd in the drive, this time

ok
reeboot and select proper boot device

TUplink1, more the other way around

back

or insert boot media in selected boot device and press any key

VileGent? what you mean?

suggestions?

so misread what you was saying
sorry

that's the grub bootloader that is now trying to point towards a non-existent partition
so yes, I do
have you got a full XP install disc (not just that funny recovery disc M$ gives)?

yep

OK. I'm gonna take this pm as it is off-topic

how many cd drives do you have? one cd writer?

big scrubs fan?
only there, it's 'bob'

not really, more of a movies fan

ah..

have you ever watched 1941?

no. old or new movie? and theme/genre?

Oldie (1979), you get to see John Belushi playing Capt Wild Bill Kelso - it's a nuts comedy!

VileGent what were you trying to tell me about my full drive?

in case you have more than 1 cd drive you should have no problem

1941 with rick morannis*
and John Belushi*
?

heh

M`aR`k, That one is brilliant.

I can't remember rick morannis there - i think he is younger than that! but you get dan aykroyd

rick morranis "honey i shrunk the kids"

suuuuddddenly Seeeeymore /song

ok guys, i have to fly along, hope agolaura manages to save his files!

mutk, yea
My favorite movie with him in it is Strange Brew.

Not Ghostbusters?

Nope
Have you seen Strange Brew iva?

is that the McKenzie brothers flick?

Yea.

heheh yeah that is a good one
been a loooooooooooong time since I saw that one

Hrmm. Perhaps some people out here might be able to help me out. frozty and I are stumped.
Make sure you are actually using the fglrx libGL.so. Check against the following output.

rpm -q xorg-x11-drv-fglrx

not su -c 'yum install xorg-x11-drv-fglrx kmod-fglrx glx-utils' ?

Run that, tell me what it outputs.

M`aR`k: follow what ivazquez says, he knows what he is doing

xorg-x11-drv-fglrx-8.38.7-2.lvn6

uname -r -n

cpe-74-76-131-49.nycap.res.rr.com 2.6.20-1.2962.fc6

Blah. I meant -r -n
Argh.

You gave me -r -n
lol

Stupid fingers…
uname -r -m

2.6.20-1.2962.fc6 i686

rpm -q kmod-fglrx

Adding client to server's list failed, CORBA error: IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0

Actually…

anyone know what this means?

kmod-fglrx-8.38.7-2.2.6.20_1.2962.fc6

rpm -q -qf "%{name}-%{version}-%{release}.%{arch}\n" kmod-fglrx

http://pastebin.com/d55cd9c0a
a href="http://pastebin.com/d55cd9c0a"http://pastebin.com/d55cd9c0a/a

rpm -q –qf "%{name}-%{version}-%{release}.%{arch}\n" kmod-fglrx

" kmod-fglrx
kmod-fglrx-8.38.7-2.2.6.20_1.2962.fc6.i686

Did you reboot since installing the packages?

Yes.
Should I try again?

Post the output of glxinfo.

error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/xorg/libGL.so.1: cannot restore segment prot after reloc: Permission denied

restorecon /usr/lib/xorg

command not found

Switch to root.

[root@cpe-74-76-131-49 ghost]# restorecon /usr/lib/xorg
restorecon: command not found

Did you use "su -"?

if i boot the live disc in RAM will i be able to remove the disc and burn

I dont remember now. Ill try again.

I can't see why not, but I don't know for sure.

Yea. I used su -
Entered my pass.

ok thanks ill try that way if all else fails

Then on next line the command.

rpm -q policycoreutils

policycoreutils-1.34.1-9.fc6

Okay, let's start fresh. Hit Ctrl-D until that terminal closes, then open a new one.

alrighty

Now switch to root with su -

done

restorecon /usr/lib/xorg

M`aR`k, #1 FAQ: "command not found?" A: Run the command AS ROOT after switching users with "su –login" or "su -" in order to get root's command PATH so the command WILL be found; don't run "su" by itself. If it's still not found, then either it's not installed in a standard path location
(echo $PATH), is not executable (chmod a+x), is in your current dir (./runme), or you've spelled it incorrectly.

Done.

Yeah… gj zcat
M`aR`k: Okay, hit Ctrl-D and try glxinfo again.

error while loading shared host libraries: /usr/lib/xorg/libGL.so.1: cannot restore segment prot after reloc: Permission denied
Same error message. Hrmm.

wth…

Um.
Should I tell you I installed drivers for it already from ati.com?

*sigh*

Maybe we have to uninstall them?

*headdesk*

Hang on…

Sorry guys
Its a Radeon 9800 generic.

ivazquez, ?… bah. finally booted the -41 kernel and the trigger got hit during that ~4 minutes

Remove the kmod-fglrx and xorg-x11-drv-fglrx packages.

rm kmod-fglrx ?

rpm -e

Do I do them both at the same time?
Or one by one?

why?

sdodson, because you need to reverse the polarity of /dev/null

Both.

rpm -e kmod-fglrx xorg-x11-drv-fglrx ?

Yes.

Whee!
can't create transaction lock on /var/lib/rpm/__db.000

Switch to root.

Done

The packages are erased?

Freeing option 0×8d5ba80
Running ldconfig, this could take some time…
[root@cpe-74-76-131-49 ~]#
im assuming that means they're done?

Okay, now follow the directions at http://www.fedorasolved.org/video-solutions/remove-nvidia-installer/ substituting the nVidia bits for the equivalent ATI bits.

Where was the binary installed executed from? the dir that is?

Where did you download it to?

uhhhhh
Possibly my desktop?

Okay, then go there and do it from there.

ugh….anyone want food? I'm on my way to go make some now
;-)

what do i type again to see my windows files?

hmm, I accidentally went to www.fedorasolved.com, and got a big ubuntu logo

frozty, you can cook me up some decent ati driver?

M`aR`k: hahahaha….

iva, im having some difficulty with the first portion of this.

M`aR`k: dude, I'm good-ish, but not magic

I have the .run ATI driver file.
Its on my desktop right now.

M`aR`k: NOOOO TOUCHY!!
unless you want a severely MORE painful driver experience…

lol

We're currently removing it.
M`aR`k: Where are you stuck?

Well, I kinda bipassed where I installed the driver from because I honestly cant remember. I had it on my desktop then I move files to folders in my home dir after I use them

I saw, but I meant his comment on the official ati driver package

sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-????-pkg0.run –uninstall

M`aR`k: Well, are you in the same dir as the ATI file?

yes. cd /home/ghost/Desktop

oh? are the repos not performing correctly…
sorry ivazquez
I was not following
M`aR`k: sorry man, touchy

M`aR`k: Okay, go ahead and run it with the uninstall option.

M`aR`k: you can touchy that driver package now

lol
so, from terminal as root

Yes.

sh DRIVER FILE NAME.run –uninstall

Sure, that might work.

I dont think that worked
It gave me a makeself file, looks like a lot of info like I brought up a manual of a command or something.

Nopaste it.

http://pastebin.com/d605b94ba
dont paste it?
ok

no paste it (not here)

FFS… it doesn't have an uninstall option?!
ATI STRIKES AGAIN.
Okay, skip that step then…

This sealed the deal with ATI. Nvidia
it is.
alright
"mesa-libGL" specifies multiple packages
Man, error messages all over the place.

M`aR`k: watch out…the ATI driver just initiated your pc's self-destruct sequence

Honestly. For a second, I felt a chill. Objective accomplished frozty?
Im in like super vulnerable mode. You could probably type "ok, now type "SUPERSELFDESTRUCTSEQUENCEINITIATE" " and Id probably do it.

SUPERSELFDESTRUCTSEQUENCEINITIATE?

Im just thankful people like you all exist to help me troubleshoot.
The next option is to yum install, if I yum install mesa-libGL wont that install over the current libGL ie I wont have to erase it?

if ( SUPERSELFDESTRUCTSEQUENCEINITIATE.running() ) {this.run_away_QUICKLY(); )

lol
PHP?

java
dunno php

its basically that with php ;

oh, change the last ) to a }

iva died…ati zapped his brain.
either that or he to the store to get some mountain dew because its going to be a long night

Did you remove the packages yet?

M`aR`k: how often are you in the chan?

Me? I try to stop in as much as I can. Im a newer guy so…
rpm -ev –nodeps mesa-libGL
I get an error.
"mesa-libGL" specifies multiple packages

M`aR`k: so you don't know how much grief ATI has caused the last while? (more than usual, I mean)

Add –allmatches

No.

Has anyone had issues with libdts being required in a one-version-old Livna repository RPM but the current version having already been updated to a newer one from Fedora?

Ok, that worked.

Talk to livna.
M`aR`k: Proceed.

Installing now.

banyan, when you say libdts, i hear "freshrpms"

I need to talk to the people who depend on the old version.

Installed ok.

I much prefer to use livna which is kind of 'officially Fedora'.

whoo-hoo! 2hours 20 minutes till sunrise (and more warmth..)

Where would I find the ATI kernel module?

M`aR`k: Now install kmod-fglrx and xorg-x11-drv-fglrx.

ok
yum install kmod-fglrx and xorg-x11-drv-fglrx ?
whoops
Seems to be installing.

ivazquez, does he have the livna installed

Yes.

.38.7-2.2.6.20_1.2962.fc6 xorg-x11-drv-fglrx.i386
Complete!
Whee!

Now reboot.

Roger.

It just seems icky to be excluding packages from the fedora core repo.

those packages are usually out of the official repo due to licensing etc
you will find this type of information in the release notes

Which of course I'm sure we've all read every release note in every package we have installed.

no, just the fedora release notes

who packages the xine-lib-extras-nonfree? That's livna isn't it?

It is.

back

I think yum is complaining because the package I just installed is going to be zapped.
and it's needed.

glxinfo

as root?

Nope.

error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/xorg/libGL.so.1: cannot restore segment prot after reloc: Permission denied
*sigh*

Hang on…

LFG to raid ATI. Need healer and tank plz.

lfg?

looking for group?
I was going to type LFF (fellowship)

large fscking greenade

But. Im trying to get off my LOTR binge.

haha

The only MMO thats ever stuck wtih me is EVE Online

M`aR`k, read the latest HO
M`aR`k, read the latest HP

I dont read HP

finished it?

M`aR`k: chcon -t texrel_shlib_t /usr/lib/xorg/libGL.so.1

If i want to read a childrens novel I'll get green eggs and ham.

wait a dang minute

(no offense? lol )
lol
I knew that was going to have blowback

my son read hobbit and lotr when he was 7

/usr/lib/xorg/libGL.so.: No such file or directory
Then your son is very advanced and you should be proud.

I think you missed a char.

I did it
logged in as root
whos his fav character?

Now try glxinfo.

ALLAH UH ACKBARRR
IT WORKED!
– not muslim.

down! down! everybody get down!

As non-root?

lol

oh wait

Run it as non-root and nopaste the results.

zcat, still got some of that armor left?

can someone with an amd64 system give me a copy of /usr/lib/syslinux/pxelinux.0 ? you may need to install syslinux

:-/…..I just got my daily bandwidth usage report…it's 03h50 in the morning, and the mail shows 05h00….

http://pastebin.com/d620dffc8

It's on the disc, or in the images/ dir.

frozty_sa, like this www.math.vt.edu/people/jbwillia/

i didn't see it on the mirrors, doesn't the mirror, er, mirror the disc?

It does. Try the pxe subdir.
M`aR`k: You're good to go.

Good to go as in, its all setup?
lol
I honestly, forgot why I even started this mess?
Cedega, I think…

cedega

lol

ivazquez uh ackbar!!!

all this mess for closed source BS

/releases/6/Fedora/x86_64/os/images doesn't have it, and the pxeboot/ subdir only has vmlinuz and initrd.img, no pxelinux.0

ATI closed source BS no less.

Thanks a million iva!

I'm just veeeery glad my card is supported by the open ati driver

Oddly enough, so's his

hahahahahahahaha!!

But cedega gets its panties in a not with the radeon driver.
*knot

it's not on the disc either

yeah, I've noticed that on my brother's pc
mine is fine though

Ok. I passed the openGL test in cedega.

M`aR`k: enjoy dude

hi folks

Failed 3dacceleration. Although, im not sure I need that?
Woot. You guys rock.
I 3 this chan.

I just installed supertux and note that sound and music are disabled. There's no way to turn them on through the options. Any ideas?

check in the config file

Hrm, strange. Hang on…

Do I just change the setting from #t to #f

jhujhiti, what about the everything repo

I have absolutely no idea
I just said that because it is the logical place for any app to store it's settings

no images/ anywhere

http://ivazquez.fedorapeople.org/pxelinux.0

thanks a ton

Methinks it's some kind of gnome configuration, but also kinda looks like lisp. Anyone else know?

grep "ATA bus error" /var/log/messages*

#t doesn't look like lisp

Another question, where's the best place to get instructions for getting an ipw2200 to work?

Everything doesn't have images/. I suppose they don't want it to be installable.

johnfg, in f7 it should just work

Install ipw2200-firmware.

johnfg, fedoramobile.org

Is the installation of the firmware all that's needed for fc7?

hmm, should it be trying to look in a subdirectory of pxelinux.cfg?

In every other version of fc I think I used Bill Moss's instructions. But they are still for fc6.

jhujhiti, I thought pxelinix.0 was generated somehow.. ?

pxelinux.0 comes from the syslinux package.

as VileGent said, in f7 an ipw2200 should just work

sdodson, Aha.

Yes it will look in pxelinux.cfg, it will look for config files named based on the mac address, then the ip address and finally default, all within pxelinux.cfg directory

hmm, the instructions at http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f7/en_US/ap-pxe-server.html are wrong indeed
it says to put the configuration in pxelinux.cfg, when what i really want is pxelinux.cfg/default

so file a bugzilla against the releasenotes
ops installguide

perhaps if pxelinux.cfg is a file it will be used

nope, i tried it their way and no-go

ya, bug it

the server is a debian box, soooo
i'm not sure if it's a quirk or if i should file a bug

http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php details config search path

you are following f7 info on a debian box?

no, the tftp java server hosting is a debian box and i'm trying to boot fedora
although both are using isc dhcpd, which is what should matter
anyway, using a subdirectory worked

I don't know where pxelinux.0 comes from in debian.
cool

it was the config that was the problem
the pxelinux.0's must have been the same. i got the same errors with the fedora one
the pxelinux.0's must have been the same. i got the same errors with the fedora one

Ya, pxelinux is a pretty standard thing.

what kind of directory structure is it going to look for if i tell it to install over http? should i point it to a mirror or can i mount the dvd iso?

yay, cobbler!

johnfg, rpm -q ipw2200-firmware

Taken out of context that may seem odd - to be excitedly looking at cobler. But here it is.. http://cobbler.et.redhat.com/

Either.

later all *wave*

see ya

bah!

no amount of violence could express how i fell
feel
but,

what the heck was that for ;p

for vista

hey, I didn't have a bloody choice — it came with the laptop my boss got me

sorry WebDragon|laptop

why?

jhujhiti, because you need to reverse the polarity of /dev/null

but at least it's useful for something — I can play oblivion on it ;p
bbut at least it's useful for something — I can play oblivion on it ;p/b

i didn't use profanity?

yes you did

strange, neither did I

using 5 letter words like that around here

i most certainly did not

it was the 'v' word

unless you're joking and vista.. right

VISTA is a bad work in a linux room

there's worse things out there than vista
not by much, granted…

yea what a bad hard drive
nothing is worse in a computer than anything to do with MicroSucks

score!
even graphical install over the network. impressive

i am lucky at work the main programs we use will not run in that 5 letter BS OS
we will see this time next year

hello everyone, is there any tutorial about Prebuild?

so let me get this straight…. bashing someone else's product somehow makes yours look better?

who was bashing

mutk, http://www.mono-project.com/Prebuild

f_newton, No. Ignoring it makes you feel better

lol

why would anyone want to use anything from mono??

tinh, Facinating

kc8hfi, i do believe there is mono in fedora

well i have been watching the vista bashing for the last 15 minutes and it really makes no sense

VileGent, I'm using Mono on fedora 7

doh gotta go get my laundry

Vilegent, there might be a smidgen…

lol

it seems a lot of people have watched simpsons…

banshee, fspot, tomboy, at the least.

f_newton, Ok. With no hint of Vista bashing my breif use of it really annoyed me. I do try not to be biased..

kc8hfi, run yumex

f_newton, But the fact is I am.
Biased that is.

since there might be small children and grandmas in here, i'll hold my opinion of what i think about mono

click all and search for mono

VileGent, a lot of stuff there for fc6

mutk, I use vista, xp, fedora, osX and warp and honestly vista is pretty darn stable but a lot of the old software has problems with it much like stuff did when xp first came out… I prefer to use fedora because i am used to the way it "feels" and i like f7 a lot but honestly its glitchy and
not very stable

f_newton, sorry

Help, after today's updates, my gdm doesn't work now, it hangs after rhgb init.

hey who cares VileGent I am just trying to make a point that vista is what it is and fedora is what it is but badmouthing or ridiculing one thing over another is a petty immature trick that only makes the speaker look bad…. believe me ive been there done that

if the worst thing vista were was unstable, i would have absolutely no problem with it

ok back to fedora

good evening.

fedora - a linux distro thats up to version 7 now, hehehe

f_newton, i keep windows on one desktop for gaming, and i have it on my laptop, because i didn't want to spend the time tuning everything so I could get close to the battery life that windows was giving me. That said, every time I sit down and use one of the aforementioned two machines, I get
so frustrated that I don't have some of the standard features of linux

its very stable… its also much better at networking but its NOT fedora

if the root mail box is full of smartd message the HD is bad right?

or going bad

select/middle-click for a mini-clipboard, multiple desktops, a lot of the shortcuts, and being able to get things done quickly on a command line

or at least smart thinks it is

yeah rjp its true that once you get used to linux windows just doesnt do it

i just ran low level format on it, and disk check from the scsi card and it passed..

maybe run badblocks -w if you don't care about the data on it

snarkster, how old is the drive

thanx Ill try that.

uh rjp the windows command line is good its just most people never use it

I have no idea, its one of the raid 5 cabinets my company gave to me.

get the drive manufacturers tools .. that is the only way to be sure

brasscat

smart will fuss if the drive is over the manafactors # of hours

hi guys .

snarkster, i suspect it is that

i thought it used parameter tests VileGent

if you think cmd.exe is good, you don't know how to use unix

jhujhiti, enough back to fedora

f_newton, I would say there is far less you can do from the windows command line, and certainly it's not as useful in windows as a linux command line. I mean, on my linux machines, i almost always have multiple terminals open

hell, i have at LEAST six terminals open on my OS X box at all times

i forgot how to stop the md device
ah -S

I just moved a week ago from fc6 to fedora7 and i just can't figure out why since then all my partitions are labelled as sdaX instead of hdaX I have an IDE hard drive

they changed the convention

F7 switched from the old IDE driver to libata

because the new libata

libata labels ide disks as sdX? is anything hdX now?

only in grub

heh

'lo all

ok

hm mi cant stop the md device
mdadm –misc -S /dev/md0 should stop it shouldnt it?

hmm, what is the installer actually doing while i see "Starting install process. This may take several minutes…"?
i think so, unless it's in use

nah its not in use as it doesnt even have a partition on it

jhujhiti, it takes time

clearly, but doing what? i'm just curious
is it syncing or something?

jhujhiti, no idea
it takes several minutes

i have no idea whats it doin
i tried to shutdown the scsi controller and it responds with im busy
i think the drives are bad
oh and did i forget to mention they didnt give me the damn key cause the IT lost them

are they running all the time or making funny noises? has the response time noticably gotten longer?

but they are not that big anyway.. the biggest one i have is 500 gigs..
no they make no noise.

a 500 gig scsi disk?
sounds nice.

lol snarkster thats a lot bigger then my biggest drive

right well i wanted one of there terabyte drives.

wow that is nice
snarkster, what brand of drive?

its for my mythbox.

i know it is not relevant question, is any one around using firefox in vista, i had problems installing firefox extenstiosn in vista, none getting installed

I do and Ive had no problems

no its not a single drive its a raid cabinet.. 7 drives.

ahhh ok what kind of drives ?

for mythtv? haha

36 gig drives

sort of overkill, eh?

chandoo, I use extensions as well

sounds like compaq drives

oh, weak.

vista home premium at the moment

i have scsi disks much bigger than that

not really overkill.. I have digital cable anyway so I use it for dvd ripping storage
right this is one of the smaller raid cabinets i have..
the big on has 127 gig drives in it.

i am getting this error pls check the link for error screen shot
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/9211/firefoxerrorat9.jpg

what kind of connection to the host does the cabinet have?
i've been thinking of getting an sata/sas chassis for a while, but most of them are fc-al, which involves all kinds of other expenses

chandoo I like that theme, whats it called?

chandoo i am not going to troubleshoot a vista problem in fedora… thats way too gauche even for me

chandoo, I get no errors like that

im using scsi wide connector

ok battleaxe says bedtime
laters

f_newton, I agree, but I figured I would answer

scsi wide… 10MB/sec?

You're asking us about a problem with Mozilla's web server why?

I use seagate type 3s in my server

any idea how to solve the error

on the mythbox I have a I2o raid 5 controller

because he doesnt know any b etter ivazquez

is there a #mozilla?

yah I have a really old 2930 card in this computer

Ouch. 2930…
Not even a 2940.

Ive got some of those

hey it works.

At least it's not a 2905.

snarkster, I agree if it works, go with it lol

I'd *really* laugh if you had one of those.

i probably have one. LOL

wait, there's no such thing as "scsi wide" — you mean fast wide, ultra wide, ultra 2 wide, god i hate scsi sometimes

ultra 2 sorry.. not really familar with scsi

40meg/sec, for a whole cabinet. ouch

jhujhiti, you is right my friend lol. I do agree, there are way too many names for SCSI

quick question, i just downloaded the file F-7-i386-DVD.iso (not the live cd), and i am wondering whether i will be able to reformat my hard drive during installation using this dvd?

of course

Yes.

40meg a sec is better than 0meg a sec. right?

not in my eyes!

LOL

thanks
goodbye

well this is for home use.. not server use anymore.
Im kinda stuck tho.. i cant stop the scsi card, I cant stop the md device

actually i have a sparcstation 5, which gets about 5MB/sec, and an ultra2 (ultra scsi, so 20MB/sec) with raid-1 (so 10MB/sec)

sparc stations.. very nice

heh, and the ultra2 has U160 drives in it
haha, it used to be my primary dns.; i
i'm not sure why it's still on
i moved dns off of it a while ago
but *shrug* it was $25 on ebay a few years ago and it's rock solid

jhujhiti, snarkster I got you both beat with old hardware I have an old p1 200 dual processor with 5 4.3gb drives.
10mb/s

ss5 is older than p100

it is? woops

end-of-lifed by sun in… 1992?
whoa! wait a minute!
sunsolve says they phased *in* a new design in july 1996. that can't be right
*cackles* mini-itx box with RAIDed disks and a quadro is operational!

should fedora gnome issues be reported on the redhat web or directly to the gnome web?

CaneToad, Bugzilla.

yeah which?

CaneToad, Sorry bugzilla.redhat.com

ok

CaneToad, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugsAndFeatureRequests

I find bugzilla.redhat.com very very slow. Must be a busy site.

CaneToad, It's a huge amount of data.

brb I need to restart I just changed out raid cabinets.

hi

i don't understand this, i have a 3.1 gb .iso file, yet it is warning me that the data might not fit when i try to burn it to a 4.7 gb dvd. anyone know why this might happen?

the 2Gb ISO limit

oh

linux_stu, you selected go do a CD burn instead of a DVD burn by accident

i cdrecord -v -pad speed=2 dev=/dev/hdc /home/backup.iso is the command i did
i burned the fedora dvd that way 30 minutes ago

linux_stu, i use K3B myself

Notice: Use -overburn option to write more than the official disk capacity.
maybe that will work
using the -overburn

is it safe?

i don't know
this is frustrating
i'll give it a try
i have extra dvd+r's
data 6008 MB padsize: 30 KB
that line there confuses me

linux_stu, what did you use to make this ISO file?

sweet the raid is up..

mkisofs -o backup.iso /home/stu/my_stuff/
that's what i did pembo13_com
hm
i guess i will reduce the size
maybe thunar is lying to me about the size of the .iso file
Executing 'builtin_dd if=/home/backup.iso of=/dev/dvd obs=32k seek=0'
:-( /dev/dvd: 2295104 blocks are free, 3076327 to be written!
that was the output of a different command
saying i am trying to write too many blocks

hmm
good luck

yeah
i will just break it up into 2 .iso's i guess
i consider that failure though
oh well
i just want to get fedora installed, doesn't matter how many dvd+r's it takes
good night

night

what is the dev install package called?

??

i mean is there a group package called development or somehting?

hmm
can't remember, sorry

is there a way I can boot into a root shell like in ubuntu?
having video driver probs

psycybrfrk, this assumes we know what ubuntu does

well basically there's a grub item that allows you to boot into a safe mode, it logs you in as root

psycybrfrk, just put 1 in at the end of the kernel line in grub
i'm looking for more detailed instructions for you

I'll try that

psycybrfrk, http://www.pembo13.com/linux/tutorials/runlevel3/
that brings you into runlevel 3

sweet thanks

no prob

man I've been trying to find a distro that actually has a working nvidia driver for my laptop
it has a geforce 2

psycybrfrk, http://fedorasolved.org/video-solutions/nvidia-yum-livna/

yeah I know how to install it

psycybrfrk, cool

for some reason the legacy version of the driver kills it every time
I have to use just plain nvidia glx

i see
ok

that causes a weird half screen problem

Except you don't, of course, since the non-legacy driver doesn't support your chipset.

psycybrfrk, hardware makes suck, what can i say

lol
I say non open source drivers make suck

As for a distribution that has a working driver for a GF2… they all do.
The open-source nv driver supports the GF2 just fine.

it's actually my laptop's display that is causing that half screen problem

Unlikely, but whatever you say.

yeah with just plain nv I get horrible performance
I think I should just get a new laptop
lol

Well, don't waste anyone's time claiming you're not using the legacy driver.

?
yup got the driver uninstalled
thanks

is there a pdf viewer for linux?

astrobill, evince or you can get Adobe Acrobat Reader

I heard that adobe didn't care about linux

astrobill, they don't
astrobill, doesn't stop them throwing some scraps our way

I see that evince works just fine.

astrobill, they are a ton of PDF views, it would be hard to install fedora without customizing out a PDF view
astrobill, it doee

one of these days, soon, they'll be paying better attention

astrobill, don't hold your breath

I've only been playing around with linux for two years. every distro gets easier for the average use to operate.
And, with MS getting $139 for an upgrade and $189 for a full version, I expect it'll get even more populare.

cool

hmm how do i make /dev/video

snarkster, one doesn't really make it, a tv card does

ok i plugged a webcam in.. im trying to start xawtv or camstreams and neather sees the camera.

snarkster, maybe the webcam required drivers
snarkster, look at /var/log/messages for useful messages

i plug the same camera into my arklinux laptop and xawtv works.

snarkster, ok

heres what messages says:
9 max kernel: usb 1-3: configuration #1 chosen from 1
is i do lsusb it shows the camera

snarkster, again, it seems likely that the driver needed for your camera is not yet installed

hmm
well i do not have any information on this camera other than what lsusb tells me.. ViewQuest Technologies, Inc. CS330 WebCam

What does lsusb -n say about it?

hmm there is no -n

Well, what does lsusb say the vendor/product ID are?

snarkster, lsusb -v

401 ViewQuest Technologies, Inc. CS330

That uses the spca5xx driver.

that's what my googling turned up too

hmm is that a native driver or something i need to compile?

Unfortunately it's not in upstream yet.
Fortunately it's a dead-easy compile.

right im on the linuxquestions site at the moment

http://atrpms.net/dist/fc6/gspca/

im on f7

linux_stu, http://atrpms.net/dist/f7/gspca/
sorr
snarkster, http://atrpms.net/dist/f7/gspca/

hmm prebuilt?

ugh.

snarkster, that's where i got linked to from what seemed to be spca5xx's website
snarkster, also found this,http://spca50x.sourceforge.net/spca50x.php?page=cams

nope not working.. ill figure it out.
i figured since little ole arklinux could work with it that big powerful Fedroa would be no problem
fedora even

Does anyone know if you can set kickstart to pull packages from multiple sources, I.E. adding additional repos like you can from the attended installs?

sure

EvilBob- any idea how, or where I can find that documentation - the full installer didn't put that information into anaconda-ks.cfg from the install I just did

repo –name=updates –baseurl=
repo –name=othercrap –baseurl=
and so on

cool, thank you much

paypal will be fine
;^)

lol only if you point me at the documentation (and not the source reading anaconda isn't my idea of a fun evening)

any clues as to why scanimage -L might find a scanner as root but not as ordinary user?

I actually looked at a sample that my mentor sent me well over a year ago to find that

ohhh here we go
http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/Installation_Guide-en-US/s1-kickstart2-options.html

I love punishing this laptop
damn thing just about burns my leg building install ISOs

any clues as to why scanimage -L might find a scanner as root but not as ordinary user? strace seems to show that it can't open /proc/bus/usb/005/011 which is writeable only by root

no
might check the sane docs

hmm xsane used to work

that's an old problem, thought that was totally gone

chmod g+w /proc/bus/usb/005/011
I mean go+w

it would

what are you doing tonight?

EvilBob, debating whether i should hit the sac early…. thinking of ways i can fund my increasing tuition fees
EvilBob, you?

thinking arby's

hahaha

making it hard to work on these re-spins

EvilBob, one in easy access distance of you i take it
EvilBob, yah well.. i wish i could focus on one project

no thye closed an hour and a half ago

i have 3 or more websites i need to work on
EvilBob, well that sucks

grrr wife want cigarettes… not letting her go out at 12:30AM
BRB

cool

http://pastebin.ca/641402 —- This is an error I get when I try to access wordpress from my lan via http://10.0.3.1/wordpress …any information on where to look to stop this error would be greatful
selinux is disabled,

OuttaLuck, you have ModSecurity apperently
OuttaLuck, which as far as i know is totally diff. from SELinux

yeah, just found that out, LOL,

OuttaLuck, might want to try using a hostname instead of an IP, purely a guess

which a little more digging on it from what i did earlier, i think i just solved my problem,

cool

I can't at the moment, on a vista box, and it won't let you edit the hosts file,

OuttaLuck, what fun

yeah, it's coming off, xp going back on,
spent the money to try vista out, and that's the worst upgrade i've ever done,

OuttaLuck, Bill Gates sends his blessings for helping fund the Microsoft Empire

yeah, really,
i dunno why i do that though, everytime a new version of windows comes out, I think, "Ooooh, gotta try THAT out!" everytime, i get screwed,
bi dunno why i do that though, everytime a new version of windows comes out, I think, "Ooooh, gotta try THAT out!" everytime, i get screwed,/b

OuttaLuck, and you actually pay for it?
OuttaLuck, i have a free copy somewhere, never used it