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for desktops, generally yes. /msg dpkg testing (and you might want lenny in sources.list to prevent contention when lenny goes stable)

ok

if im sharing a drive over NFS does it matter what the filesystem is? ie. if it was ext3 would i still be able to read that disk via NFS on MAC OS X?

Supaplex, aham ok

The underlying filesystem doesn't matter, except for the features it supports

aye ok

do you guys have any ideas about vcd vs dvd to be recognized by the system?

i think ext3 is better than fat32

if you use a filesystem without extended attributes, for example, you won't have extended attributes over nfs
far far better

aye excellent

FAT32 was obsolete when it was invented

im using xfs for mythtvs large video files
heheehehe

lol

i read somewhere that xfs is ideal for large files

oh, and apt-listbugs to

check wikipedia FS comparison… I think it has good info

it uses extents, which help to keep large files from becoming fragmented

Supaplex, ??

!apt-listbugs

bugs that pertain to any packages being installed. Modern releases allow you to pin a version to subvert any packages you discover to be too risky (see pinning). Older releases only allowed holding (see hold).

does anyone has a core duo cpu whose temp is usually around 80?

ext4 (still in development) uses extents, too, I think

interesting

how would I be able to configure my eggdrop then? I can't seem to find the config file for it when I install it via apt-get

core 2? or the old core?

Supaplex, good!

Biff, core duo 1, notebook t2400 1.83

The original core duos were hot

ah, ok

get in the habbit of checking bts before asking for help on testing. if at some time you confirm/conclude it is a real bug, use reportbug

i thought core architecture had always been pretty cool

Supaplex, I'm installing apt-listbugs now

yea I thought same too, until lately I started monitoring it all the time
right now I'm not doing anything special, just my usual stuff and it's 85c
when not doing anything around 60

would a TOS (Type of Service) traffic optimizer mean that it optimizes based on destination port ???

actually I'm gonna go turn everything off to see how low it goes

this is interesting, the filesystem on sda1 is xfs, and the filesystem on sda2 is ext3:
/dev/sda1 200G 558k 200G 1% /mnt/mythtv_video

it'd be cooler if I had one for free. my p4 idles around 55C 70C is critical. check the part number on intel's site for suggested limits.

/dev/sda2 197G 197M 187G 1% /mnt/audiostore
ext3 eats up more space for some reason

one difference is that vcds do not work by simply mounting them and playing the files as usual, they must be playd with mplayer vcd://1 etc

man tune2fs, look for the word "reserved"
or are you talking about 200 vs 197 ?

Supaplex, when ripping dvd or compiling kernel it goes up to 100C, which is normal, but ordinary things I do, and 80 that's not good

yikes. I peak around 67C while playing flash movies (large screen area)

\amethyst: it says 200G available for XFS and 187G available for ext3

that's because ext3 has a certain percentage of the filesystem reserved for root

aye ok

anybody use bugzilla with sid?

Supaplex, I'm just gonna contact intel on this one, got any clue on contact address regarding this issue?

man tune2fs to see how to change that

AbsintheSyringe www.intel.com

Supaplex, you … *evil-stare

hehe

is /join #fluxbox

generally is it safe to compile new stuff and install it in sarge? i want subversion 1.4 for example while there's only 1.1 in repos i think
but 1.4 depends of libapr = 0.9.7 while sarge has 0.9.6…

So, I want to encrypt a hard disk. Someone pointed me to http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469, which talks about Luks. Is Luks the best/recommended way of acheiving this goal?

i use luks and quite like to for full disk encryption.

Any complaints about it?

first of all, why are you using sarge? it's oldstable

simonrvn, it's not my choice I have to install few services on a dedicated server..
and they have sarge there

then tell them to upgrade; and yeh it is, but you'll have to do it again when you have it updated (maybe not, depending)

simonrvn, you mean it's safe in general ?

any one tell me which package contains the default fonts installed with etch - im after the 'face "clean" (mono pixel type thing)

anyone here use vpnc and know how to retrieve dns info after connection?

if you need something like a backport from sid or lenny, i think you can still get some from backports.org . if not then you'll be stuck building it yourself

are matrox video cards supported well under linux?

some of them are

i hope you're debianising this stuff you're building, or using the source packages?

yes, the drivers are open source

yes. no - it "just works" here

simonrvn, yes I'm building subversion right now, but I wonder if it's safe to run manually compiled stuff there

jelly-home: are you using kvpnc or the command line?

well if it's built on the machine it's destined for, surely, and any similar machines

command line. I have resolvconf installed, vpnc updates /etc/resolv.conf.

how about a matrox g450 mms?

simonrvn, thanks

np

jelly-home: hmm, maybe i just need to "apt-get install resolvconf" then

it'll probably mess up your statically configured current /etc/resolv.conf
however, it works well with ppp, vpnc and various dhcp clients

it will for sure

jelly-home: The following packages will be REMOVED: gnome-ppp

don't tell me you're using both k* stuff and gnome-* stuff

resolvconf conflicts with gnome-ppp because no-one has updated it to work with resolvconf
see bug 258064

and resolvconf has been here for quite a while
…. frankly I'm surprised it's not used by default in etch

Please suggest resolvconf: WONTFIX.

if you have iface … inet static entries in /etc/network/interfaces, you can make them work with resolvconf by adding two lines like this: dns-search zg.iskon.hr iskon.hr ; dns-nameservers 10.0.0.4

(that's for ppp itself… if ever there was a package that should use resolvconf)

[…] huh, that one is still open? And for a measly Suggests.

!initrd

initrd is probably initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or …And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg –initrd

Yep. Not Invented Here, it would seem. Some people like munging /etc/resolv.conf by dodgy scripts…

yeah, but making them all use the same dodgy script sounds rather rational

making them use no scripts at all is more rational.

well, it's just that having proper dns resolution is kind of important. At least on the internets.

whats that synapsis apt-get gui thing called?

yes. that's why resolvconf and friends need to die.

synaptic.. or something

that's the one

what's the better alternative?

syn…

vi

synaptic

vim

hmm… showing it with f12 is simple
doh

synaptic is the mouse driver?

welcome to the 20th century, huh?

if the 20th century is the one without needless added complexity, then i'm there.

I agree, but vi does not make vpnc, ppp and dhcp update my dns resolver setup correctly without manual intervention

does every new kernel you make, then add to menu.lst, require an initrd statement?

in the three or four cases where a script like resolvconf actually makes sense (ie/ a machine that does ppp and connects to more than one network that needs a name server), the users can roll their own resolvconf replacement tailored specifically to their own needs.

it's a stupid work, I don't want to do it manually.

jelly-home: right. but resolvconf breaks your resolv.conf with or without manual intervention.

hardly

works-for-me!

you write a three-line shell script that does it for you. this takes fifteen seconds and you're done.
jelly-home: but it doesn't work-by-default.

sure it does

it does.

then why was my resolver configuration broken as soon as i installed some package that depended on resolvconf?
write the three-line shell script yourself. and welcome to the world of unix, where worse is better.

probably because you aren't configuring resolvconf correclty.

therefore it doesn't work by default.

the fact that it's broken still doesn't say there's no need for it, or that there's anything better

my resolv.conf was perfectly fine before that package showed up and fucked everything over.

it actually does if you're using a method that it understands, like dhcp, php, et al.
s/php/ppp/
and by default it should be using your existing resolv.conf as the header for the resolv.conf that it creates.

i'm using dhcp. the problem is that my roommate's cable modem lies about whether it can resolve hosts.

so fix your dhclient.conf

well, it didn't

so fix your hardware.

why bother? it worked before, and installing resolvconf broke it.

ok I've got one for ya. I've got a freshly installed SLES10 box that for the most part is working fine, but when I ping either of a couple debian servers I have, I get something like 75-80% packet loss. The loss occurs pretty rhythmically, in bursts of no response after bursts of 10-20 replies

the easy solution is to remove resolvconf.
jelly-home: not my hardware.
jelly-home: complain to rogers if this is a big problem for you.

then remove it; but whatever you do, stop complaining here about it.

you're the user — your hardware.

sniffing on the deb servers shows the echo requests the _entire_ time, just for the outage bursts, there are no replies sent

jelly-home: rogers owns it. thus it's not my hardware.
perhaps you are not aware of the origin of this discussion. i'm questioning the value of packages that randomly reconfigure one's system, not complaining about my own personal experience with resolvconf.

in this particular case, it's a perfectly reasonable default for the package to configure resolv.conf correctly.

no iptables rules and no other systems show this problem. If I wasn't seeing the pings on the destination machine the entire time, I'd say it was the SLES box, but it seems like the deb boxes just decide to not answer like 75% of the time

kagu ogg!

having packages stomp on user configuration files is never reasonable. i believe there's a debian policy regarding this.

the origin was discussing vpnc, which works well with resolvconf, with the caveats that I mentioned to the user above.

does XFCE not come with / work with synaptic

this ring a bell with anyone?

resolv.conf isn't a user configuration file when you're using dhcp, though.

filed a RC bug?

if i touch it, it's mine.

I touch /etc/mtab, but it still isn't mine.

jelly-home: "RC"? filing bugs on debian systems is a tremendous waste of time.

unfortunately /etc/resolv.conf isn't a conffile, so the user-change-tracking isn't there

so use something else

jelly-home: that's different. /etc/mtab has a documented purpose that has quite a bit to do with the 'mount' command.

and moreover, it even asks you about it in debconf

can you set up "virtual" users (i.e. users with no local account) in exim4?

yees.

interesting. i don't recall the occasion. was this true two years ago (or whenever resolvconf made its way into debian?)

yes.

/etc/aloases.

hey, you don't want to file bugs, you don't get fixes. That's fine by me.

resolvconf is specifically for automatically configuring resolv.conf, so it's not outrageous for it to overwrite the file

the question is resolvconf/linkify-resolvconf; as it's been for quite some time

to be fair, the long description does say " This package may require some manual configuration. Please read the README file for detailed instructions."

jelly-home: i occasionally do file bugs when something is really, really broken. but reportbug usually barfs when i try that.

have you filed a bug on reportbug?

it's not like you even need to use reportbug to file bugs

Anyone able to think of a word for 'getting rid of old kit and replace it with new kit'? It's not 'deprecation'…

what, replacing?

\amethyst: i think it's outrageous that someone made a debian package for overwriting people's resolv.conf files with garbage. and that someone else thought it was such a good idea that they made their code depend upon it.

using a mail client is so passe!

does every new kernel you make, then add to menu.lst, require an initrd statement?

it's not outrageous at all. If you think for a few minutes about the usage cases, it'll begin to make sense.

jelly-home: couldn't be bothered. i really do have better things to do that play with daft developers.

if it's using an initrd
if you're not going to file bugs, then why complain here?

the default kernel is, but i made another kernel (xen), so want to know does it need one too?

/etc/resolv.conf" that you execute after running dhcp or something.

depends

see above about the word "complain."

you must only run dhcp on a single network then

correct. i've met few people who use dhcp on multiple networks regularly.
you're pretty far away from the norm, then

pretty much anyone who uses a laptop does, actually.
and resolvconf is pretty good at dealing with that too

do you actually use a nameserver other than 4.2.2.2?

I only need a canonical way to figure out which network the machine is connected to… there's like 10 packages to deal with that.

sure

jelly-home: the /etc/network/interfaces file can have 'up' lines that can touch a file somewhere that says which network you're connected to.

i ahd ftp blocked

no, I wan't the machine to figure it out itself.
s/'//

jelly-home: ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr"?

hi there

no, I want it to look op network traffic, and configure the interface appropriately.

'look up network traffic'?

lol

is someone can help me to build my nvidia module ? I try "module-assistant auto-install nvidia" & have the following : http://rafb.net/p/Gve9LZ78.html

jelly-home: sounds like you want to write something

far easier to just say nameserver foo; instead

'look op network traffic' rather?

jelly-home: and what of these 10 packages is your choice?

hm, look at it

but that's not he wants. "nameserver 4.2.2.2" is shorter by at least one character.

the 3-4 I looked at sucked

jelly-home: define "sucked"

how do I set my domain?

so?

if I had a choice I'd use it. Instead, I have symlinks for different interfaces files

so it doesn't do what he wants

took more time to configure and work than resolvconf

I'm running lenny 2.6.21-2-686

what he's talking about is being able to run ifup fooiface; or similar and have the network come up automatically.

my major complaint about resolvconf is that it solves a trivial problem and it does it badly. nobody should distribute code that solves trivial problems badly. and certainly nobody should make a debian package out of it.

you seem to be oeprating under the misimpression that it's a trivial problem.

IME it's not trivial

your particular instance may be, but you're probably only running with a single interface in a static configuration.

resolvconf doesn't stomp your configuration. It copies it to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/original

it *is* a trivial problem. at worst you have an 'up' line in your /etc/network/interfaces.
and then it stomps on /etc/resolv.conf, which is the only file that matters.

a real solution has to integrate with /etc/network/interfaces, the dhcp client scripts, ppp, openvpn, libc, et al.
all it does is make it a symlink to a copy of the original file.
or not, if you've told it not to.
(and unless an interface defines a nameserver, it won't muck with it, either)

i disagree. resolvconf stomps on a single file when you type 'ifup foo' and again when you type 'ifdown foo.' this is a trivial problem solved by the 'up' and 'down' lines.

in any case, seems pointless to debate the issue that is not going to be solved or advanced by a patch, replacement, or even a bug report

how do you plan to handle interface precedence with up or down lines?
or do you only plan on allowing a single interface?

it requires more user configuration than 'resolvconf', but that is not a bad thing.
i do not plan on allowing only a single interface.

then how do you plan on supporting multiple ones?

however, i have no idea what this interface precedence is that you speak of.

there's a limit to the number of nameservers that you can have. You have different nameservers for different networks, some of which you prefer over others.

i don't see the value in presenting a general solution to this problem.

that's great; you can ignore that resolvconf exists and install an equivs package for it so you never ever see it.

that's actually the first thing i do when i install a new debian machine.

so why complain here then?

yay, i think my debian install is finally finished

does the mere existance of a package which solves a problem in a way which a lot of us find optimal offend you?

anyone know if when vmware tools is installed properly the mouse will transition between the virtual machine and the host without having to press ctrl+alt ??

I regularly work with 7 or 8 different networks and also have to use vpns etc over them. Without resolvconf it was a nightmare. Once I dropped resolvconf in, it just all worked. Makes me happy

because i'm philosophically opposed to people distributing their own broken solutions to trivial problems and claiming there is some overarching generality to them.

no, you're keen to claim that other people's very elegant solutions are broken. I'd claim there's a difference….

it leads to a lot of unnecessary complexity.

again, you seem to be claiming that the problem is trivial. It's not. Furthermore, since you're not actually using resolvconf, and when you were, you weren't using it correctly, your philospohical oposition is rather cute, really.

ixion_uk, as far as i know that capability comes with the install of the vmware tools in the guest os

apologies… i forgot to bookmark the site that tells me how to find out which packet a specific file belongs to… so can anyone tell me the apropriate apt-command?

guest…

what do you suggest for anyone who has a laptop with both a LAN and a WLAN connection, then? "configure it manually" isn't a solution.

the complexity looks necessary for me and my usage of static or dhcp ethernet, ppp, and vpn.

my philosophical opposition is not just to resolvconf.

dpkg -S if it's installed, apt-file search if not, packages.debian.org otherwise.
dlocate will also do it

write a three-line shell script to configure it.

ixion_uk, ?

thanks!

resolvconf is that shell script. I fail to see the problem.

the gues already has vmware workstation installed, I dont see how I could also install vmware tools on it ?

far easy to just install resolvconf and add two nameserver lines to /etc/network/interfaces

i cannot write to my NFS disk over the network, this is my fstab:
/dev/sda2 /mnt/audiostore ext3 users,rw,owner 0 0

guest*

it's another piece of random added complexity.

ixion_uk, the guest has vmware workstation installed ? you trying to make a tunnel of vm's or something ?

s/nameserver/dns-nameserver/

is the disk writable to your nfs user ("nobody" by default)?

wtf? why should everyone write their own three line shell scripts that don't handle corner cases and aren't well supported by all the ppp, vpn, wlan, dhcp etc things out there rather than just use one robust and well tested solution….?

(i hate udev, too. it solves something that isn't a problem by breaking almost everything. and i hate udev far more than resolvconf.)

and a custom script which is different on every machine isn't?

resolvconf is less likely to break something than some random user-written script.

jelly-home: i havent a clue

it's not, no. it's not another hurdle before learning why the hell your system can't resolve www.google.com.

ixion_uk, vmware workstation is usually installed on the host os and is running the guest

it needs to be.

sorry getting mixed up …. so you think when the guest has vmware tools installed the mouse should transition.. I installed vmware mouse driver that I found on synaptic/apt but I cant transition between them without ctrl+alt

Why don't you just have everyone write their own rcS script, and do away with init.d, too? init.d is a *broken* pile of added complexity.
Or I suppose you'd do away with initrd images, too, in favour of everyone compiling in the drivers they need for their rootfs.

ixion_uk, then that is not enough, you need vmware tools installed in the os that is running inside the vmware

if you can't figure out how to fix resolvconf, you should have installed your system using the installer, which (surprise, surprise) configures /etc/network/interfaces so that it works seamlessly with resolvconf

i agree. but it solves a nontrivial problem — how do you boot a linux system in almost all cases?

ok have you succesfully done this with debian ?
as the guest…

ixion_uk, please note, guest=os running inside vmware

my first experience with resolvconf was upgrading a woody system to sarge.

yup

ixion_uk, no, i have only done it with windows 2000 as a guest so far

ProN00b yeah me too

I've *never* seen resolvconf break an existing installation, anyway. It copies your /etc/resolv.conf to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/original, and sticks that in the resolv.conf it generates anyway

well, why should there be any difference with debian �
?

that's the only thing i've seen it do

ProN00b dunno, just never got it to work

anyway, i'm quite sick of talking about resolvconf.

ProN00b ill try install vmwaretools from source

it broke stuff for me when I started using it _in unstable, a long time ago _

it's clear that there is a difference of opinion and both sides are sufficiently convinced of their own correctness that no progress can possibly be made by continuing.

tech-ctte!
err, maybe not

jelly-home: same here

\amethyst: er, the guy doesn't even care enough to file a bug
when you mount the nfs filesystem on the client, is it mounted with rw option?

what does the exports entry look like?

I have new laptop in my work, and in place of Ctrl i got fucked up Fn. It's not possible to switch it and now I have problems pressing Ctr-Shift-c / Ctr-Shitf-v as copy & paste in gnome-terminal. Do you know if I can make gnome-terminal use diffrent "magic" key instead of Shift ?

jelly-home: did you try guessnet ? (I haven't; I'm just looking at the package descriptions)

evilgeek, you need to resort to violence then

yes, methinks

I'm considering using usb keyboard, counse this Fn in place of Ctrl is nightmare..

the fn key very often works before the kernel sees the keys

jelly-home: ifplugd

wot?

so likely not, unless maybe there's some way to remap it specific to your laptop

jelly-home, scroll up to what he last said

I used to use guessnet + ifplugd + wired/wpa_supplicant…. replaced the whole lot by networkmanager now.

\amethyst: yeah, it;s hardware key, xev show nothing when i press it.

it's clear that there is a difference of opinion and both sides are sufficiently convinced of their own correctness that no progress can possibly be made by continuing.

jelly-home, yeah

jelly-home: right! network-manager. that's the one! (thanks themill)

can ssh be made to handle disconnections more gracefully than locking up for 10 minutes?

what violence?

it might be something that's theoretically reprogrammable in firmware, but making that work would be one mean feat

jelly-home, violence is the solution to his problem

oh, the GUI stuff?

jelly-home: I think it doesn't require GUI stuff

you can kill the connection with Enter ~ .

is something running in the background?

\amethyst: I can't imagine why IBM puts this Fn in place of Ctrl… It's non ergonomic

\amethyst: of what?

I'm allergic to camel case, and the daemon is called NetworkManager :-

of the session that won't close
a forwarded X connection or anything like that?

jelly-home: you could mount / on a vfat filesystem, then call it "networkmanager"

jelly-home: but the package is called network-manager… go figure

\amethyst: no, nothing was.
the-me: a) wow. b) thanks. c) wtf?

jelly-home: but wh^H^Hif it breaks, I didn't tell you that

I think uppercase is disallowed

jelly-home: it is in package names… but why the hyphen?

once installed from source vmware tools works perfectly

umm ?

ixion_uk, cool

also ~^Z will put ssh in the background

thanks, now I won't be able to sleep tonight.

How can I tell whether or not I use an initramfs?

err, suspend it rather, you can do bg then to put it in the background

jelly-home: ha ha!

somebody explain to me how to use apache2 with this new subdir under /var/www.

delete all files on your computer names *initrd.img*, and see if your machine still boots?

how do we access stuff in /var/www now?

huh. is it just me or does pam-mount not like passwordless accounts?

you edit your httpd.conf to make that an accessible site.

when it's sitting there after logout, type ~# … does it show anything?

Maybe something a bit less… destructive?

hmm. add an alias there?

a2dissite 000-default

alias / "/var/www"

well, kernel packages look in /etc/kernel-img.conf to see what they should run when it's installed

TBH, #414692 fits your experience with it perfectly, so it's not just you

then create a new site in /etc/apache2/sites-available and then a2ensite your-site-name

or you could check your bootloader configuration (/boot/grub/menu.lst or lilo.conf) and see if one's being loaded

maybe I should ask a simpler question.
i used to have bugzilla working.
by default it installed in /var/www
now, it seems to be weirded out so that I can not use it.

OK, I'll have a look at those.

there is a rewrite in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default that you have to remove to get it to work.

cat /proc/cmdline might tell you, too

ok let me try that.

I used to understand alias's in httpd.conf… what I dont understand is this sites-enabled stuff

the "correct" way to do it would be to make a new site and use the a2dissite/a2ensite commands so that the default one remains untouched

nope it did not work.

it's fantastic…. otherwise you have to resync your changes to the apache conf files every time either upstream or the maintainer rearranges the sections in them

the me try the correct way.
fwiw, this server only serves "one site"
i am not doing virtual hosting.

of course, you have to restart apache every time you change the config files

right i did that.

you don't usually have to restart, just reload

then when I went to the main page, it pulled up the mediawiki installed.
even though /var/www/ does not contain an index.html now.
my god, its gotten weird.

\amethyst: true…. I was monkeying around with ssl keys the other night and I had in my notes for that that you had to restart not reload to get it to pick up the new keys… so I've now got restart on my brain… but I first wrote those notes for 1.3.mumble so that might not even be true any more!

i try to login to bugzilla and it does http://foo.com/cgi-bin/bugzilla/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi which fails.

that looks like a pretty fscked url

yes
putting http://www.foo.com/apache-default/ is pretty weird as well.
so, do i need to use a2sites if I dont do virtual hosting?

you can ignore all of the current config and just put everything in apache2.conf if you want, it's just harder to maintain in the long run. The a2en/dis things are just about making life easier for anyone not just virtual hosts

you said the use of initrd "depends" … depends on what?

hi all

ok.
i will do as you suggest then
I only want my bugzilla to work again. it was in /var/www

hi all

hi

what is the command to set the dns adress of an interface ? in the shell !

how do I get /var/www/bugzilla to be visible as http://foo.com/bugzilla via new config way?

thanks

anyone know of something that will give me a web interface to my music where I can manage play lists, albums etc and stream? so I can listen to my tunes at work, friends house etc?
based on sql perferably so it builds album lists quickly

cd /etc/apache2/sites-available; cp default myshinysite; vim !$ # and remove the rewrite rules in there
then a2dissite 000-default; a2ensite myshinysite; invoke-rc.d apache2 reload

When rsync copies symlinks as symlinks, does it 'rewrite' them? To point to a freshly-copied file?

gnump3d maybe ?

ill check it out

what is the command to set the dns adress of an interface ? in the shell !

mserv is another

if mediawiki is coming up, then it might be that you have a config snippet from mediawiki in /etc/apache2/conf.d

many thanks.

I have no idea how mediawiki configures itself under debian…. you'll have to work that out yourself. (check /usr/share/doc/mediawiki*/*)

http://www.foo.com/bugzilla now comes up.

excellent

but it still has this weird cgi rewrite thing. i'll tyr to ge tthat working.
thanks for showing me how to add sites.

no problem is this a debian bugzilla package?

yes
the debian bugzilla package fscked up when i did a dist-upgrade.
i have the mysql stuff working for it now.

sarge-etch? or are you playing with lenny?

the bug reports helped there.

I take it you've looked at /usr/share/doc/bugzilla/README.Debian… many packages tell you the "debian" way of configuring them in there.

why did you disable the 000-default site?

can someone please verify this key? http://phpfi.com/256498

i could have two sites, right?
http://www.foo.com/ goes to the default

if you don't then that rewrite would still be active even once you've made the changes in the other site.

and http://www.foo.com/bugzilla goes to the /var/www….
hmm.

the 000-default site has VirtualHost * in it

!mia

i heard mia is missing in action. status of missing unknown. as opposed to KIA, POW, or AWOL.

meh

if you want shiny site to be on another domain name (say bugs.example.com) then you need to change the VitualHost bits of its config file to match it.

!pow

it has been said that pow is is is is

right

it was easier to tell you to make a new wildcard virtualhost than to properly set up name based virtual hosting
and to do that you've got to disable the default wildcard one.

!no pow is replyprisoner of war

okay

hmm.

me i just modded the 000-default one

yeah… I like leaving config files in the packages as they are esp with the a2en/dis mech in place.

!pow is also the C-library function for exponentiation of doubles (see also friends {c,}pow{f,l,})

\amethyst: okay

your point about /usr/share/doc/bugzilla looks prommising.

it's one less file that I will ever have to Y/N/I/D etc the next time the package is bumped…

it talks about modifying the apache config files

!pow

prisoner of war, or the C-library function for exponentiation of doubles (see also friends {c,}pow{f,l,})

yeh, i thought that after i did it, the next time it had been updated (apache2)

now if someone would be so kind to adapt "mia" to some Debian-relevant info

!pow =~ s/, or /; is also/

OK, simonrvn

~pow =~ s/alsothe/also the/

\amethyst: that doesn't contain 'alsothe'

aptc search turns up a bunch of "maxima*" stuff

do you know where the RewriteEngine On is in the config files? or where it should go? grep -i /etc/apache2 does not show it being commented out anywhere.

!pow =~ s/alsothe/also the/

OK, \amethyst

anything modifications that the bugzilla docs require should be do-able in your new site file.

it needed it?
i guess

yeah, you replaced the space after or

shoot, i did didn't i, accident. thanks

it should be off by default.

hmm.

take a look at your conf.d
grep -i -r RewriteEngine /etc/apache2

i have charset, and three mediawiki linkx in conf.d

is there a way to tell what files were installed with a package?

mods-available has loadmodule for it.

and mods-enabled should too

a2enmod
a2dismod

hang on… are you trying to load the module or turn RewriteEngine On in a particular dir?

the packages website can do it
eg. http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=postfix&version=unstable&arch=i386

themill, i am trying to get a clue. your patience is astounding.
i am just trying to get bugzilla working.

or dpkg -L resolvconf
or dpkg -L packagename

in /usr/share/docs/bugzilla/readme.debian it says to turn on Rewrite engine and and some commands.
it just says they should be "in your apache config file:"
it does not say which one.

cool, thanks

put it in the virtualhost specification, then

is that just for a particular directory?
and to make sure mod_rewrite is turned on, a2enmod rewrite

ok, yes, i notieced that in mods-enabled, it was not there.
so, in my sites-available/bugzilla file, i add the commands there?
right after DocumentRoot command?

section

hmm.

in which case it still goes in the same place, but with those sections around it
is there a way of looking at the contents of a package (I'm thinking /usr/share/doc/README.Debian, in particular here) for a package without downloading or installing it?

it says to rewrite cgi-bin but there is a cgi-bin script alias setup.

Can someone familiar with debarchiver tell me why I keep getting this in my syslog? "Error: Update Release file in main/binary-i386"

if you're not going to do anything else cgi-bin with this virtual host, then just delete that alias and substitute the one you want.
there's a reason why most (all?) bugzillas tend to be on their own virtual host….

hmm. should this be bugzilla.foo.com then?

does the single etch DVD1 support both x86_64/amd64 as well as i386 installations

brb

it's probably worth considering… but you should be able to get it to work this way too. I don't know which will be harder, setting up named virtual hosting and the dns entries or getting it to work for you as you are

I was highlighted? Who?

oh doh. amd64 in the image name
oh doh. amd64 in the web hosting for online images name
sleep deprivation .

sleep aggrivation…
e

aggravation

that two.

'too'

i think the perms on my /dev/pedantic somehow got corrupted

it's still read-only isn't it?

if i have a new kernel and want to make an initrd for it, us mkinitrd the best way to go?

If there're users that run exim here, what user do you use to run it with? the exim_user ?

yeh yeh ;p
Debian-exim, root, every user that gets mail, depending on context

can someone remind me.. to access a windows share.. I install smbclient and then I mount it into a mount point ?
and if I want it always there I edit fstab ?
using some complicated syntax

well, the problem I encounter, is that the packaged debian (stable repository) is not allowed to send emails out with user root. But when I use a different user than root, I get all kinds of different errors…

it's not supposed to deliver to root. never_users is set to root, even built in

I know. but when I forward an email of someuser@domain.tld to otheruser@otherdomain.tld, I get an error. That user id 0 is not allowed

then you're not really forwarding to another user, it's just root disguised as another user…

!what are we going to do tonight

Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world.

no, dpkg, I'm going to sleep….
night all!

g'night themill

simonrvn I am just forwarding to an external Domain hosting that's not hosted with me/ on that server
I get the same error when authenticated users try to send an webmail hosting to another host

ok, then it's something else… run it in debug mode, see what happens
there's also #exim, lots of debian users in there too

smbfs: mount_data version 1919251317 is not supported

Yes, install `smbfs'

I install smbclient ?
installed

No, install `smbfs'

k, kewl
sweet, thanks
you mind telling me the syntax I need in fstab for a samba share?
a
oops

//server/share /mnt/point smbfs options 0 0

ok and options is where username=,password= goes

what is the debian equiv of ~/.xinitrc?

I do not recommend inserting a password in fstab. It is world readable

that should do it, options can incluse user/pass, but you're bettr off putting those in a file of mode 600 and using credentials=/path/to/file

~/.xinitrc

haha, whoops

xinitrc is an X11 thing. Everyone has it.

phogg its a little private network

We've all long been using ~/.xsession though

but thanks for warning

thank you, as always, a pleasure

somehow my install is frozen at 'Running "grub-install (hd0)"…' can i somehow restart that part of the install ?

the use of an initd depends on whether you've got built into your kernel everything necessary to boot to a state where you can mount the root filesystem.
if yes, you don't need one. If no, you do.

how do i temporarily disable the desktop? i want to boot directly into console mode
thanks, battling this Xen kernel on booting

!nodm

Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" /etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console

…. //10.0.0.11/music /mnt/music smbfs userid=USER,password=PASS,r 0 0

if something is broken with the DM, you can also boot into single user mode

oh dmes told me
dmesg
sorry.. asking before thinking

can someone here help me decrypt the dovecot pop3 servers cryptic error messages?

if you paste them using a paste site, perhaps.

ta, i know about ctrl-alt-f1, since i will rebooting for testing, thought straight to console would be faster, thanks

where is a paste site?

google pastie
and don't pick the top result

pastebin.ca

HGFS is disabled in the host — wtf ?

http://mishu.eu.org/paste/view.php?id=3619
thats the dovecot log
I'm trying to use postfixadmin to configure this mail server, and I can't get dovecot to read from the mysql hosting database correctly

that looks like you don't have the correct permissions on the mysql.conf and/or you have the auth configured incorrectly.
the configuration file will be useful too.

right, but the java server hosting runs as root and the file is chmod 600

execv(/etc/dovecot/mysql.conf) — this is just wrong.

why is that wrong? thats the config file I'm usin

you're exec'ing it, which isn't going to work.

yeah, thats seemed strange

if ive mounted a smfs share… how would I give www-data access to it ??
do I go and give www-data permissions on the mount point ?

if you show us the dovecot.conf we'll probably be able to find the problem.

right, ok, I just checked the config, and I was doing something really dumb
but now I'm back to the other error I was stuck on earlier
it says that ok, now it says "Unknown password scheme CRYPT-MD5"
which is where I was stuck before
is there some other library I need for this to work?

check the 'uid' option in man mount.

also, random question, does anyone know of a CLI utility that reads from STDIN and saves the data to the gnome clipboard? it would be really useful

hi, since yesterday my laptop cdrom (scsi) don't work more. It's seen by the kernel but the device isn't created. Any hints?

if i start slapd int he console, the server works, if i use the init.d script, it does not start. any ideas

cafuego thanks

hi, I was wondering how to enable CPU frequency scaling on my P4 northwood

crb, modprobe p4_clockmod, probably

right, how do I get the UID of www-data?
cat something no doubt
something /passwd

thx krazykit

www-data:x:33:33:www-data:/var/www:/bin/sh
is ww-data UID = 33 ??

i will reinstall my debian - my question: can i install it on a 5gb partition and export optional components to hda2/optional/? (or something like that) - or /usr to sda2-/linux/usr?

when grub fails, is there someway to stop it from auto-rebooting? i get to VFS errors, then it reboots

how do i boot this debian install using the debian cd ? grub is not installed

eh? you stick the cd in and choose boot from cd
Kartoffelsalat yes you can choose mount points during install

stick it in the CD drive and turn on oyur computer

oh, yes i forgott…

abrotman, yeah, i am on the cd
wait, boot from cd ?
how ?

u r kidding ?

!u

Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201

!r

from memory, r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r"

!fo

somebody said fo was Faeroe Islands

???

you but the cd in and tell your bios to boor from cd
boot

done

or press escape/f2/f12 during boot one of them will initiate the boot menu

can i "export" all dirs? so i can say "this is basic debian" on sda1, to keep this drive als minmal as possible? what would be a "okay"-value for a minimal drive? (own 60GB, but i use it for dualboot, so currently my windows can read/write to EXT3, but i want a pure-linux ext3, a pure-windows ntfs and a mix ext3 (yes, with /usr and so on, i know about the risks runs fine, haven't had problems, which souldn't be repared by checkin
g drive throug debian start)

Press F1 for help, or ENTER to boot:
ixion_uk, i don't have a bootloader installed, how do i get my debian to boot using the cd ?

Ill show you a bootloader

!ig

I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 … 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing!

^^^^^^^^

hi hi

hi
what sould be minimal used for debian + xorg + openbox (= less kb) + 100mb random?

kernel /boot/xen-3.1.0.gz | module /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-xen root=/dev/sda2 ro

why would be not find /sda2 or the block device (hd0,0)?

!oci

why would it* not

hello friends

hi

is there a convenient package for php-oci?
as in oracle client?

oh!

looking for "apt-cache show php-db"?

odbc too

guys all of a sudden a directory of mine became read only. there was a program that ran and accessed this directory and now since it needs to write in it, it isn't running anymore
how do I make the directory rw again?

how do i filter old maildir boxes through procmail, i am converting from mbox to maildir?

man chmod

it has the right one

so what's the issue ?

chmod 777 video0/
changing permissions of `video0/': Read-only file system

old mboxes through procmail is easy and well documented, cat mbox | formail -s procmail but not maildir i know i am just overlooking something simple

7

and I'm running as root
my fstab entry for the drive is /dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 0
why isn't allowing me to write in it?

are you root ?
oh

yes

huh–I've been looking at libpam-mount; it doesn't seem to consider the case of no passwords at all.

did / go 'ro' on error ?

possbily.
how can I check my ext3?

mount

what's the tool to use?

would a "nullok" option make sense in that context, or would it be better to just assume that null means no password and go from there?

or just try to touch /blah

yeah
it is an error …. looked at dmesg
failed opcode was: unknown
I/O error, dev hda, sector 28049487
EXT3-fs error (device hda1): ext3_get_inode_loc: unable to read inode block - inode=1753089, block=3506178

bye bye drive

that's not fun…. is there a recovery mechanism?

you can use smartctl to get some more information on just what it going on exactly (package smartmontools)

get a full backup of your data ASAP

yeah
with drive done in ro there is not way I can build a package right now

smartctl –test=long /dev/hda to run a background self-test, then smartctl -H /dev/hda to have it print a drive health report

ok, i used for f in `ls *`; do procmail $f; done and it seems to be working

\amethyst: oh come on .. michael jackson is more healthy than that drive

is it possible to log all grub errors into /var/log/messages?

before anything is mounted ?

yes

yay .. 4.0r1!

should probably update the topic

i tried

when a man lives in unstable what is a mere 4.0r1 to him?
bwhen a man lives in unstable what is a mere 4.0r1 to him?/b

it's locked
dondelelcaro:

you have no power over me!

sure don't
when there are machines that do run etch

and i am very greatful there are

'grateful'

greatfull

does someone know the name of this music-player-daemon, which is controlled by a client and runs without x (if not needed)? if forgot the name :/

mpd
mpc

ingrate
;p

i think mpd
thanks

heh
man it is burning up here
I hate heat

nice and cool today
20C right now
low of 14

14 what?

its 87F today

C …

good to know

14 degrees C++

here 3 A.M., i do not want to go out, to cold

simonrvn, heat nice
-60 next month

o_O
it's august…

nice eh
end of aug

dude im dying

even up north it's not going to go below -10 next month

dang heat!

set is cold oct is snow

this is my first summer in ny

stoned

dunno how the winter will turn out

you haven't learned yet …

i got funny thing

i live in beautiful Southern CA, not Cananda California

ok, share it

it's the city, it's always 2+ degrees C hotter

u know what in out eth 0 error is

i live in the burbs
no i don't snowbird

about ?

what is it?

don't make me cluebat you!

its on boot up if there is boot up log id paste it

I thought there was a punchline somewhere
that wasn't very funny

oh
it aint funny stoned google says its dchp thing

that the u.s. is the only place in the world that still does farenheit?

the UK does sometimes too

if i unplug lan it goes away

but yeah, pretty much.

hm bbc news service doesn't :/

the brits are giving up on the brit system - good for them

world news, rather

i get kde today stoned slow as heck but its kde

that doesn't really bother me .. it's just another silly scale

too bad for america

haven't they been giving up for 10 years ?

Hi

stoned

that make sense, 0 is water freezing. simple

i am trying to run DBDesigner4

http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/3659802/%5Byesy%5D_Utawarerumono_1-26___special.3659802.TPB.torrent
hrm… that's not going to work.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day_f.shtml?world=0005

'k thanks

but it request for libXft.so.1

almost the same …

the brit or US?

heh cool

whats up

but, DBDesigner tells that it was teste with Suse and Red Hat

would u help me set up staic ip and then my network

and?

where can i get libXft.so.1

F_����n and fahrenheit… very similar, yes.

heh

if i could remember the little bit of hirigana i learned 15 years ago

w00t
yes, OT

what u a papa
or neibors aint yours

your not pregnant, what is it

how old is debian sarge?

20

!sarge

i heard sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/

oldstable

hmh
thanks

then?

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2007/08/15/ot-uranium-sharbot-lake-070815.html

got to clean company coming over
got to clean web hosting company coming over

said something, amerifag ?

!tell ProN00b about gay

could anyone suggest a good intermediate linux book… I'm placing an order and new one more book to get free shipping

news 9 year old boys drowed a 6 year old

cya and a happy birthday debian

difference between respecting it and actually participating in it

no help here, man

"As we all know, the internet is like water"

simonrvn, no ont here 7 hours from me

interesting article, the native people take an honorable and difficult position

if ubuntu uses debian sid, why is it that sid isn't reccomended to new users?

they don't use sid
they use ubuntu

blazemonger, because sid is unstable
the debian "unstable"

they use a snapshot of sid, and only kind of

hello
i ve problems with my notebook

not really difficult in one way, because it's just asserting their sovereignty

must be spiral bound

fn key not run

hehe

i can change bright screen

probably because the core ubuntu developers are not "new users"

cant

true, i only mean difficult in the sense of dealing with "the man", but in my experience i find it easier to live by my principles rather than fear

boinky boinky boinky forget ubuntu it sucks

help me please

!tell roldyx_ -about ask

I guess you missed his question?

or even what other would call pragmatic

probably my good man, I was just chiming in

reading issues

I did a full upgrade recently, which killed my nvidia module. I'm trying to install the official nvidia module right now, but it's telling me that it's "Unable to find developpment tool 'cc'" in my path. I do have gcc installed, so I can't really figure out why cc wouldn't be in the path. Can anyone help me resolve this?

so he is asking what?
don't use official nvidia installer

hi, if i want to run debian on a intel X64 systen, what version do i download?

he's asking about the Fn key on his laptop, and controlling the brightness of his screen

on a full upgrade, you get a new kernel as well more than likely, so you basically need to recompile the nvida kernel module using module-assistant

amd64

sorry, I try change bright screen of my notebook but the FN KEY not run

no I was talking about the guy talking about ubuntu and sid and what not

then why did you ask the bot to tell roldyx_ about "ask"?

so it's a universal version for both platforms?

no I read it, but he needs to ask it properly i think. which laptop, which debian, etc. etc.

Intel makes AMD64 clones these days
yes, I know it is a weird situation, if you're old enough to remember when AMD was only making Intel clones

er.. peterS not roldyx_

ok, thanks for the help

heh

compaq presario f500 y debian lenny

and what is Fn anyway? like function keys?

it is the key you use on most laptops to control functions such as, well, your LCD brightness

oh I see

fn + F7 and fn + F8

hehe

oh i see it on my laptop, wow, I never used it

also often used to simulate the numeric keypad

i never even, i thought it was the winkey

how old is it ?

can you help me?

\amethyst: is ee

and to control whether the video chip outputs to the LCD or the external port or both

old??

no, I don't have a compaq presario f500

so its basically a function key and it doesn't work as in your shortcuts don't work

years? months? days?

that kinda sucks

2007 06 20

I have a dell inspiron something, my fkey works, I'm on sid

no, it usually activates the SMM mode of your CPU, which calls the BIOS down underneath the OS and gets the job done that way

too old .. probably a PIII in that

it is very new
hehehe

so Fn+F7 or whatever is never even seen by Linux, the BIOS takes care of it

that hardcore eh
oh I see, so the fn key has nothing to do with linux
?

do your Fn keys work in another OS ?

SMM means 'system management mode', a mode even lower level than ring 0, which is kernel mode

so its a problem with a configuration in his bios maybe? or is it a way that he can have that key working under debian/linux?

but some of this stuff has to do with custom dsdt etc.

well, I suppose it depends on the laptop and the kernel, it may be that certain ACPI setup can disable its effects or something

my brother have the same machine, and he has windows xp and run perfectly

maybe

acpi has a lot to do wtih it

i want to know about yours .. not his
your machine could be biffed while his is not

do i need change keyboard map??

shouldn't have to

ACPI is an existence proof of the dictum "Whoever does not understand Open Firmware is condemned to reimplement it, poorly"
errrr, reinvent

the problem it is only over linux

open firmware is a pos
nah not really

it solves the problem a lot more simply than acpi does, though

OF works quite well for what it does

If I want to receive mail from apt-listchanges, do I need a mail daemon like exim4 or postfix or how do I need to set up my intrabox mail?

im just saying cuz it gave me shit on my powerbook

maybe you could give it a little respect, it might return the favor

i had to do some serious work to reinstall debian on the fucker
hehe

no, you just need something like nullmailer or ssmtp.

ah, ok

open firmware I read about and researched well when I was trying to fix my laptop

is there any good webmail? i use postfix+dovecot.
!webmail

I still have sarge/testing on it!

horde webmail

horde is one
squirrelmail

roundcube

I don't think he just wants a list of packages, but an actual recommendation by someone who knows which ones are good

roundcube it s very very nice

Anyone in here good with samba? I'm trying to set up my fresh debian etch system to share a directory to my windows domain, and don't have a clue where to start.

what is a round cube? is that like a sphere?

it is a webmail

pull out your editor for the file /etc/samba/smb.conf and read 'man smb.conf'. the basics are already there, commented out

it is like a world
:P

I did that, and I have my server showing up in the domain.
however, I can't authenticate =(

it is not too difficult make sure you are in the same work group as the windbloze boxes and a few other details for file sharing samba should be very easy

yeah, I thought it would be easy, except that I can't log in from any windows station =(

even for printing i have found that it is not bad

yeah you probably have to join the domain then. 'man smbpasswd' for the details, as I recall

apt-get install roundcube

for lenny I think apt-get should be a script that just prints "aptitude pwns j00" and exits

when I run testparm, I get workgroup = …

well my keyboard still not run
ggggrrrrrr

erm, by … I mean the correct thing

what peterS said about the man is right i wouldn't reccomend their documentation which is really mountain loads
have you checked the web google - there are some very simple tutorials - its been a while

being in a workgroup and being a member of the domain are not the same thing. in SMB / NetBIOS, you can be in a workgroup merely by declaring that you are in it. but to be in a domain requires the blessing of the domain controller.

ah, right
thanks peterS, I forgot about that

you declare the domain controller with 'password server = foo' in smb.conf, but then you have to actually create a machine trust account on the domain controller. this is where smbpasswd, or some similar utility, comes in

I can't find anything about passwd server hosting in smb.conf =(

apparently you are not spelling 'password' correctly

I'm getting nowhere with module-assistant and recompiling nvidia kernel module. Lack of source being the main issue.

DCC SEND WEJRGYIOJWRIOJRIOJGQIOWRJOIWJIAORJGIO

good point, but I couldn't find that either =[

damn kids

look harder. it is very definitely in 'man smb.conf'

er
g
dr
gdf
g

it mentions the 'security = domain' or 'security = ads' parameter, make sure you use one of those rather than 'security = server'. just fyi. not that 'security = server' doesn't _work_, but it uses the Windows 95 method of password validation, which is inefficient and insecure

ah, fair enough
should I read up on domain vs ads, or is there one I should pick?

domain means Windows NT 4.0 domain controller. ads means Active Directory, which is new to Windows 2000

ah, ads it is

both should work if your domain controller is at least Windows 2000. I haven't had any practical experience with Active Directory and Samba, though

can anyone tell me how to install/autoconfigure grub ? (from rescue mode)

yeesh. I love it when firefox decides that it needs to take 1G of RSS for pixmaps in X

do all gecko-based browsers do that ?

huh… they emphasize "is" rather than "not": "but *IS* not being used."

brain fart man
what is the problem?

doesn't boot normally
seems mbr is broken

what does it say/do?

Happy birthday

if mbr was broken you wouldn't be able to get to grub to begin with

yeah, i don't get there

well that sucks

i can boot into rescue mode from cd
any idea how i get grub working from there ?

im not too sure, though I know you can boot from a live cd or something and try to restore grub, mount your thing chroot it and install grub
i dunno dude, grub never broke for me

stoned do u need to check sum every time

for what?

a distro to install

sure, to make sure it hasn't been tampered with
of false dns etc.

one iam on cant get to check sum google says there aint a way to check sum
should i give up?
stoned

what apache do I have installed on my debian… Apache-SSL or Apache-ModSSL … I'm trying to renew cert and do not know what to answer..

not every time

a2enmod ssl

?

oh
sorry
misread

np

how woudl we know what to answer ?

what is the difference between those two?

?
they can use the same cert if that's what you mean

what is difference between Apache-SSL and Apache-ModSSL

one is a module .. one only does ssl AFAIK

how do I find which one I have on my debian system?

dpkg -l

I've used make-kpkg to build a kernel deb
but I want to change the name

in what way?

when I do so in menuconfig (I changed the suffix)

does this mean that if I can do a2enmod ssl I have Apache-ModSSL ? thanks

you know how the configs let you add anything to the end of the name?

if you want to change the suffix, use –apend-to-version

if i understand your question correctly .. yes

s/p/pp/
!kernel mantra

use the Debian packages! Really! They work! Only if they REALLY don't work should you be compiling your own, because some day you'll really need that module you left out

thank you

damnit

kp mantra

!factinfo kernel mantra

2 2005 (950 days); it has been requested 36 times, last by dondelelcaro, 11s

dondek, I realised that quickly
because I did it in both places
in the config
and in the make-kpkg command

!kp mantra

kp mantra is, like, make-kpkg clean && VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') && NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" && make-kpkg –revision=$VER –append-to-version=-$NAMEEXT –rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg –revision=$VER –append-to-version=$NAMEEXT –rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add –initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd.

which library do you use? ZK?
http://www.filedorm.com/out.php/i5296_xxx.gif
do i have to register to log in or there's a guest account?
can you really play AoE with this?

d237a8d225e8063
no, it's not really age of empire
it's somethign based on age of empire… Well actually it's more based on the settlers
but it's far from finished

that would've been mega-cool

is it possible to turn XMLHTTPRequest.open off on a server so you can not use xhr at all ?

anyway, be right back, food

can't produce buildings
core.js, line 71, win is not defined alert ('Window not found: '+win);

csaba, back, and checking
hm, are you sure, csaba? I don't encounter problems

with opera? Well I use opera 8, maybe that's the problem
anyway i'm going to lunch as well

anyone know what you call the feature you see on many websites now, where they show a picture, and when you click on it, a black 'veil' falls over the site darkenin it out and then shows the pic in the center of the screen?

ok, I'll install opera

hmmm
an iframe that covers the entire page with opacity set to 0.5?

i have a table with 4rows each row have 2columns, how can I list all first column of each row?

Why not make a single table with two columns and 4 rows?

its what i say

http://www.huddletogether.com/projects/lightbox/

yes!!!!
thanks

np
take the second version

Actually it wasnt. Anyway, iterare over the rows collection and return the first cell from that

for (i=0;i=table.rows.length;i++) alert(table.table.rows[i].cells[0]); but its dont work

table.table ?

wrong typing
table.rows
FF say that rows has no property

url?

2s

any idea how do I get the document's width in pixels, even when it's resized into a small window with horizontal scrollbar? (I get only the window's size and not the document's size)

i'm looking with firebug

Hi. I'm looking to make quite a complicated (as I see it ) menu with javascript. It would have a horizontal bar with, say, 4 items. If you click one, a vertical menu drops down below, on the left. If you click an item in the left vertical menu, it opens another vertical menu on the right. If
you don't understand, see this: http://cbg.sh.nu:10000/menuexample1.png
http://cbg.sh.nu:10000/menuexample2.png . Can I get any advice, help, whatever to do this? If someone has already done something similar, a link would be fantastic. Thanks!

Measure the offsetWidth of body
CBG`: You have never actually done any interface design before have you?

I've designed websites before, just not with javascript.
not that you "design" with javascript, just not used javascript before.

CBG`: That menu is an abomination to usability

It's not up to me.
I suggested many alternatives, I was told that this was MUCH easier to use.

By whom?

And, after all, the "customer is always right", even though I'm doing this for free for my brother.

In webdevelopment "the customer has no clue" is more fitting

Yes, but they won't pay (or "accept" in this case) something they told you they don't want instead of what they said they ddi want.

You are the expert. If the customer thinks they can do better, let them do it themselves

You have never actually done any business before have you?
"Give the people what they want!"

wow

CBG`: Actually I have. And I do on a daily basis

nothing but a lot of preachers this morning

Looks just like what I was looking for… 10x

Then you must realise, Munter, that to make money, you should give people what they ask for.
Rarely will you get what you want if you don't do as you were asked.

CBG`: To make good quality product you need to teach the customer so they want what is best

no, make a crappy product, just like the client wants it… then make $$$ on maintainance

And if the customer is too stubborn to even listen for more than 30 seconds?

In the long run that makes you less money. You can only maintain so much crap at any one time

people will pay for more than just what they ask for :p

as the amount of maintainance grows, so does your company… what do you think Microsoft makes money off, quality products?

but they will probably not pay for something they told you they "do not want".

it's never a problem to hire 100 more programmers to maintain bad software

Actually you are wrong there. It's quite hard to get programmers here right now

CBG`: they don't say what they don't want that often

where?

Denmark

ok i don't know about denmark, maybe you're right… still you can outsource your project to india or russia

I do alert(tblRefBiblio.rows[i].cells[0].textContent + '|'); everything works fine but if I do "msg += tblRefBiblio.rows[i].cells[0].textContent + '|'; " firefox says that tblRefBiblio.rows[i] has no properties :/

DANMARK WOOOO
take that, Arabia!

and nothing else!"

Which takes me to my other point. I dont make bad software. Period

I didn't say bad, I said "what the customer wants"

CBG`: I would tell him to make it himself. Especially if it's free work

CBG`: yeah I don't treat my brother like a consumer whore

I need to load XML, but I don't care if it happens on pageload or later. Is there any way to do this besides using xmlhttprequest?

I'm happy to do it and I'd love to stop the argument over whether it's a good deisgn or not and just see if someone can help me make it at all.

one of our clients wrote specifications for us… then later we found out it was the janitor who wrote those specifications… and this is a huge huge bank… what do you think they would do if we told them that their specifications are crap?
Instead, we just do our jobs, it turns out crap, and they have to pay more to fix it

If they are retarded you might be okey, but if the retard in charge gets kicked and somebody with brains comes in they will hate you. Doing a shitty job just because your clients tells you too is just stupid. You take away your own competence. Clients with brains are likely to not work with
you. As a client you want to hire a specialist that knows the stuff better then yourself, otherwise you have no use of them.

What you say has nothing to do with reality. We had this project for 3 years and we have contract for 2 more years. During that time 4 project managers changed, so obviously someone must've noticed that something is wrong. The truth is they like it this way. Yes it is a crap job, and they pay
extra to fix their mistakes, but in the end it actually works… they are happy and we are happy

textContent dont work with IE, someone have an idea for compatibility with ff?

innerHTML?

Well, it be something good, I don't know. But I don't see it that way, and had I been manager I'd want to work with a firm that actually corrected us when we were wrong.

but in innerhtml i have other tag
it return me spantext/span

use prototype or a similar library, takes away most of the hassel

that's politics… if we tell them they are wrong, it looks bad, and they give extra job we have to work for free

but for now I can just use pure javascript hosting

wG (there will still be enough browser compatibility issues left for you to have fun with anyway)

span.childNode.data should return "text"

yeah
thanks
( tblRefBiblio.rows[i].cells[0].childNodes[0].innerHTML )

instead of childNodes[0] you can use firstChild I think

yes

I'm trying to use scrollBy for an external R
I'm trying to use scrollBy for an external URL but get the error "Permission denied to get property Window.scrollBy". Is there a work-around for this?

df
heh

…maybe an iframe within the frame?

frames…. USE CSS!!!!! FRAMES ARE DEAD!

was that humor?

how can I remove the ID of an element?

.id = ''; ?

how can I hide option elements in IE and Safari? (display: none works in FF, but not IE and Safari)

I've been reading bash too much lately.. I read normal conversation and I expect it to be funny and when it's not I'm sad =(

line

ie?

ya

what a surprise

Anyway I should put DOCTYPE in any case
but it'll be a little headache

standardization leads to headache

agreed

but…

afterwards it feels good.

it's a bad for a good

I'd like to see the code for IE, it totally beyond logic how that code base can be so incredibly inconsistent and unpredictable.

(bad expression translation
sandstrom i blame backward compatibility,
and i blame Justin Timberlake.

heh

compatibility? what compatibility? if they just stuck to conventions they wouldn't have that problem.

but that would make all the websites designed for IE6 to malfunction

has no effect

MarGarina of course not

why is that? (total newbie question)

hi all

you say "this is 100% height"… 100% of what? your div is in the "document" the document is the body, and the body fits what's in the body, so if there's only your div in the body, then the body is let's say 100px high, then your div at 100% will be 100px high
absolute;" that will extract it from the document, and then you'll be able to fit in the window/viewport with a 100% height

i have a page with multiple forms. how can i submit by pressing enter onlt the form the cursor is on one of it's fields?
*only

Yeah, this makes sense.. but it behaved differently without DOCTYPE

alexbodn technically this should be happening, but, it might be that it takes the first submit… then i suggest you enhance with javascript you can check onkeydown event for your input and check for key character "13"

I guess I'm on the way to learn the right way of doing things. oh well.

MarGarina yeah quirksmode is wierd and unpreditable
you have more chance on getting similar rendering cross browser if you have a doctype

i'll do it. thanks a lot.
how could i condition submit on char(13) only? i mean, where can i check the actual key pressed?

well the event keyword carries that
try some googling on "handling key event with javascript" you might find some links

`js events @ alexbodn

js events: http://onlinetools.org/articles/unobtrusivejavascript/chapter4.html www.quirksmode.org/dom/w3c_events.html www.quirksmode.org/js/events_tradmod.html

onkeydown: if (event==char(13)) {form.submit()}
StaZ|Workthanks again

alexbodn yeah if you say so

first time, sorry
i'll be back soon, bye and thanks again

i might be wrong on some syntax keyword but you get the picture

i have obj = { info: [['a','b','c'],['d','e','f']] } — how can i iterate over the arrays ?

im not sure if this is possible, but hopefully someone here can help. i want to display images on the left hand side of my site, but i want one image displayed and then when the user clicks next or previous, i want the image to slide out and the next one to slide in

wanderingii i suggest making it nice looking and easy with Flash
caus with JS, you'll pull off your hair soon

would prefer to stay away from flash if at all possible
is there an js libraries for this type of thing?

throw new OutOfKnowledgeScopeException("JS Libs");

wanderingii, it's definitely possible with js

ive seen some moo fx thing and wondering if its possible to use that

well all you need to do is set a repeating timeout and move the image to the left 1px until it's off the screen

http://www.groupemelior.com/pages/nosComplexes/quebec/domaine-du-chteau-de-bordeaux/clin-doeil.aspx?lang=EN-CA - flash makes Media websites interactive and nice

then change the images, then slide it back in
Flash has problems though
accessibility and compatibility problems

http://www.dustindiaz.com/javascript-carousel

well if you say so

i really want to stay away from flast
flash*

Screen readers have problems with flash websites, users can't copy text/images, they cant link to a specific page in the flash site

dont like it at all

thats not flash. here another prototype lib. http://prototype-carousel.xilinus.com/

i wasnt referring to that i was just saying

var hash = { noinfo: [1,2,3], info: [['a','b','c'],['d','e','f']] }; — how can i iterate over the arrays for the key info only

Like you normally would any two dimensional array

but i only want to iterate over the arrays for only the info key
canu give me example

If you use the object literal notation, then I am sure you know how to access it's properties as well

foreach( a in hash.info) { array = a[0][0] } array would contain ['a','b','c'] ?

foreach is not a JS function

oops
for( a in hash.info) { array = a[0][0] } array would contain ['a','b','c'] ?

And you dont use for(x in y) to iterate over arrays

mod in Firefox you can also use obj.forEach(function(){});
else use for in
var hash = { noinfo: [1,2,3], info: [['a','b','c'],['d','e','f']] };
for(key in hash) {
if (typeof hash[key] == 'object')
for(a in hash[key]) {
if (typeof hash[key][a] == 'object')
for (b in hash[key][a]) {
alert(b+'|'+hash[key][a][b]);
}
}
}

STOP
NOW

ups, forget paste

www.rafb.net

sorry

leobm you could use a recursive function

yes, but for the first steps it's easier I think .

my god. You huys certainly have a lot of excess code for a simple task
for (var i = 0; i hash.info.length; i++) {has.info[i]}

can you use javascript to capture video or a still image ?
I'll take that as a no

hi guys, is it possible to using (ajax) to drag an image and drop it into an area to create an editable text area?…

[M]ax{WK}, I dont see why it wouldn't be.

[T], im the preverbial n00b where javascript/ajax comes into play… could you give me a pointer in the right direction on how to acchieve it?

Once you have a draggable element (just google, theres plenty of examples for this) you can check the area it's been dropped into and if it's where you want it created the text area using DOM.
Once you have a draggable element (just google, theres plenty of examples for this) you can check the area it's been dropped into and if it's where you want it created the text area using DOM.

ill start with my friend (google)

http://www.panic.com/goods/ might help you, you can drag the items into the shopping cart

in Firefox it's possible (for still images). look e.g. at the "Viamatic foXpose" firefox extension js code.

myFunc(vehNum) {…} and I call it like this: myFunc(0); I want to make sure that vehNum is in fact a number. However, if (!(veh_num instanceof Number)) {/*throw error*/} doesn't work, because I guess 0 isn't an instance of Number?

isNaN

leobm, that appears to be a screen shot utility… I need to capture a web cam frame, and store it in a mysql table.

use isNaN(vehNum)
will tell you if vehNum is Not a Number

if (typeof vehNum != "number") { // not a number }

use isNaN

your best bet is to do something using Flash

you can make a signed Java applet that can do that

as online web application ? than it's not possible. but if you want automating do screenshoots of webseites. e.g. as offlien app. than you can use the code in foXpose example.

it will be on a local network for a "payroll check cashing"

[T] the images are fine, they are working, but i would like to create a div class=
"text_area"something here or whatever/div

oh. yes, applets is a good idea too.

you will need to use something external to the browser to access a webcam. A Flash file or java web hosting applet will both be able to and can be embedded in a web page
but Flash will almost certainly be nicer

yeah Flash is better

both languages I am unfamiliar with but thanks for the inputs

[M]ax{WK}, you have drag and drop working? All you need to do is use document.createElement('div') and add it to the page

you can also create an ActiveX control with C# or Delphi

google shows lots of flash for webcam caputure P) perhaps I can find source code & learn
shoot don't need to write one.. this one is freeware and will do what I want I can call flash from php huh?

elements in a select?

none only work in Firefox, not Safari or IE)

I would remove them from the select.

I tried, it works.

is chosen, and one cant change.

du har hjälpt mig förut, har du någon aning om varför det inte funkar?
nm, solved it.

hehe, was semi-sleeping

im trying to use this carousel javascript stuff, and i keep getting an error message saying yahoo.extension has no properties
reisio, you there?

yup

hello all

'lo geb

i have little question:

neat
shame we can't see it

element and a function called like td onmouseover=function()

i want to list all rows from table
like var table = this.parentNode.parentNode.parentNode ; for (var i= 0;i length; i++) { }
but it doesn't work
any idea ?

var table = this; while (table.nodeName.toLowerCase() != "table") { table = table.parentNode; } var rows = table.getElementsByTagName("tr"); for (var i = 0, rowsLen = rows.length; i rowsLen; i++) { // do stuff }

arf thanks Maggi
and also sorry i find the solution only few seconds ago

you could also just give the table an ID and reference it using getElementById

yes but i want to modify an existing script
http://cross-browser.com/x/lib/view.php?s=xTableCursor

you could go with a pure CSS solution for that one if you don't mind IE 6 and older
tr:hover {background: green} td:hover {background: blue}

is it possible to change the properties of a div using javascript?

yes

wanderingii,like GetElementById.style.display="block";

yea ive got it but im trying to develop it further
http://pastebin.ca/622037 - thats what ive got so far, but i want it that if the user clicks next and the current pic is pic3 that it goes to pic4 or the opposite with previous but dont know how to do that

The paste 622037 has been copied to http://erxz.com/pb/3606

I have a div and span, if I click the div I want to do one thing, and if I click the span I want to do another. Right now, when I click the span both execute, and I need just the span to execute. How do I do that?

I'm making countdowns and I need a way to store the counter somewhere
can I do something like

?

element - and ideas?

window.event.cancelBubble = true; in IE and e.stopPropagation() for the rest

I'll try that. Thanks

so what I'm basicly asking is if there is a way to attach an invisible value with html

either place the value somewhere in a script (if you need to get the value from the server side). Otherwise you could add a property to the span programatically, if you don't mind mixing up presentation and data

e.g. refToSpan.setAttribute("counter", "65");

hm I can't really access javascript host at this point
well I could but I'd rather attach it with html

alternatively you could use a global variable or a custom property of an object
e.g. document.myCounter

so this won't work? span counter="54"

what event is triggered when a page is navigated away from ?

no, counter is not a html attribute so that is very ugly

yep, it's ugly, but can it work?

I know but it'll do

element.counter = 10; is acceptable

is not?

no

counter is not a valid attribute
resulting in invalid markup

e.stopPropagation(); window.event.cancelBubble = true; return MyFunction(); did not work

I'd use a custom property of an object

element.counter = 10; assigns a property to the object, it doesn't make it a html host attribute

^

k, I'll try to work some javascript in there…
actually there is a system that triggers javascript, but I don't really like to use it

how can i get the value of a variable into a string, so i have num = 1; variab = 'url(/image/pic *num in here* .jpg)';

window.event is only defined in IE and e is only passed as the first arg to the function in the other browsers, take that into account
"a" + x + "b"
what i'm saying is, make sure the property/argument is defined, otherwise you can't access it

e.g. refToSpan.onclick = function(e) { /* stuff here */ if (typeof e.preventPropagation != "undefined") { e.stopPropagation(); } else { window.event.cancelBubble = true; } /* more stuff */ };

thanks

hey what if I assign a value? span value="441"?

there's no value attribute for the span element either

Thanks

you're welcome

hehe.
hm oh well actually I oculd just use innerHTML
hm what's the best web hosting function to get all my counters? on class or on name?

class, there's no name attribute for the span element ;p

hehe, okay I'm a noob
euh… is there a function or should I use a library?

you'll have to create one or use one of the plenty that are out there

hm. is it me or is looping trough all elements a really bad idea?

a lot of people get away with it, so it's probably not too bad

not really a bad idea
but there are better options which are not widely supported tho
using XPath for example
with JS together

probably a better idea, blazingly fast, and there's JS-XPath for IE

URL?

http://js-xpath.sourceforge.net/

ty
I'll definately check this out

i haven't dug deep on the browser support yet, but i imagine that at least opera 9 and safari 3 support it

hey
hi
hwo do you add javascript to a webpage dynamically?

but once i do that, it doesnt seem to run

it gets addded to the HTML but nothing happens

how do you add its contents?
you have to append it in a text node iirc

hm I already got a getElementsByClassName function in my libraries

i append a script element as child of div element
wont work is it?

not sure, but i would think that it'd work

oh wait..i figured just now
it only works if it is in the head tag
then the JS will be executed after u add it

upon converting a html to xhtml, I get javascript errors that I never had before… is this normal?

why convert to xhtml

what object.style.foo property contains the anchor/anchor hover properties? i can't find them in my reference

http://paste.css-standards.org/19467

You may need a CDATA
And I don't think you need a "break;" for the default case

is CDATA not required in html4.x ? cuz before switching the document to xhtml, this error was non-existent?

Correct.

ahhhh

It's not REQUIRED in XHTML either, but you'll have to use special chars.

ahhhh, gotcha, thanks greatly

I don't really know why showE2 is written the way it is…
if(document.all) { el.style.display="block"; } else { el.style.display="table-row"; }
Does IE not support table-row?
….actually, you might be right. I'm buggin' out.

well, there are 4 — showEl - showE2 - showE3 - showE4 … all sharing the window.onload
from all ym past experience it is not supported by IE
s/ym/my
if it is written weirdly, forgive me, I'm still new to js, plus this was the only way I could get the 4 window.onloads to work together, as they all perform the exact same function, just that they "unhide/show" different tr
s/unhide/hide

I suggest using a good framework.
Try prototype out, or ExtJS
That way you could just do $('elementid').show();
or $('elementid').hide();

http://rafb.net/p/f84Fpf95.html

It's smart enough to tell if the element is a TR, and use table-row.

could you point me to a url/doc so I can read up on that

My script acts funny sometimes while calculating .counter

Prototype is here, http://www.prototypejs.org/
ExtJS is here, http://www.extjs.com

tyty

http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/1002

Try using parseFloat
Rather than using parseInt

why? I want ints

Just give it a try for me, mmm'kay?

hi all. Is there a way to grab the first key of an associative array object without having to loop through the entire thing with for…in?

hm one of the problems it that I can't reproduce the error

anyone catch my question? what's the anchor property called in the object.style object?

The anchor property?

0, the script went down to
or somethign like that

oh yeah… speaking of properties, is there any way to get access to the querystring within a javascript?

anchor color
link color

i.e. say I go to http://somewhere/somepage.html?p=v&p2=v2

for a specific element?

is there any way to get access to p and p2 as a set of properties?
or do I just have to parse out window.location myself?

i.e. for links inside a span

element.style.color / element.style.textDecoration

element.style.color does not change the links

Prototype has helper functions for parsing the query string
http://www.idealog.us/2006/06/javascript_to_p.html

parseInt(value, 10);

isn't that standard?

BradleyB, thanks

it only changes regular text

var query = window.location.search.substring(1);
I don't understand that line, though

no, it "guesses" the base by the value

what's .search

js ref

oh

`js ref

http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/JavaScript , http://devedge-temp.mozilla.org/central/javascript/index_en.html , http://phrogz.net/ObjJob/ , JScript@MSDN: http://tinyurl.com/9pk3l , www.crockford.com/javascript/

nevermind, .location is an object, thought it was a string

how the heck can you see the difference between base 8 and 10?

js onclick

anyway, I don't seem to be able to reproduce the error so I'll just guess it's gone

`js onclick
`js onclick()

08 would be considered an octal number (0-7), so it would return 0

http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/1002

use break; in the loop

yeah, I figured, but there's no better way to do it?

not that I know of
well, if you knew the first key
:p

heh
okay, thanks for your help Maggi

you're welcome

thanks, you were 100% correct about needing the CDATA

hmm, how do I get element.nodeName to return without a namespace prefix?
without resorting to substring

Damn then, I'm on a roll.

uhoh, lol…. ok so I added the CDATA, and the el error went away, but now…. suddenly it is erroring on another el that didnt error before the CDATA….
weird, lol…. I wish I hadn't been asked to change this page to xhtml, lol

you could try element.tagName
havn't tested it tho

Maggi, yeah, that also returns the ns prefix

mm

Why on earth does it HAVE to be XHTML?

it is long, but should I pastebin the "entire" js code?

I never understood people that demand that shit.
You can, but I'm kinda busy believe it or not.

one sec. might found something

I'll try to help you though.

xhtml is kinda silly…

I agree, and I even warned them, that I don't know squat about xhtml, but they didn't care

*shrug*
pastebin it

hm I must admit that I don't know the difference between html and xhtml either

so i guess no one knows the object.style property which sets hyperlink hover color?

vs. img src="blah.png" alt="blah" /

That's the difference.

daedeloth, XHTML uses the XML syntax

color

element.localName

http://paste.css-standards.org/19468

fedx_, duh, object.style="a:hover { … }"
Maggi, ah, I missed that, thanks

[T], okay, but what does that mean for the pc?

that should work

And whats the problem again?

that won't work. it only works for non links

You only need to use "var" for the first use of the var

daedeloth, It means very little unless it's actually served as XHTML. Most XHTML pages are actually served as text/html so it makes no difference

you need to make the rule's selector more specific

can it speed things up?

daedeloth, no

And if you're only using it one, just do document.getElementById('element').onchange = …

xhtml has some stupid "rules" if you want to serve it as text/html
e.g., you can't collapse empty elements

daedeloth, in theory it should make it easier to make the page look the same in different browsers

el has no properties hideE3(null) onload() el.style.display="none";

can't be collapsed as textarea/

as span/

Well, there you go.

there aren't special properties for hover; instead a different rule is applied, which can have different values for properties such as color

Add var checking into hideE3()

hm well I'm using xhtml for my page, served as text/html What should I do to repay my sins?

if(el) { el.style.display='none'; }

ooooohhhhhhhhh

Because someplace in that script, its obviously calling hideE3() with NO element

daedeloth, use html 4.01 strict

but everything is written in xhtml already
http://thijsvanderschaeghe.no-ip.com:81/projectX/

hihi

Is there a function which will return the string representation of an object type? For example, if, while working with DOM, I do element.objectType() and it would return 'HTMLOLObject' or something like that?

is there a method for getting the first element in an "associative" array in js similar to key() in php?

cool stuff man!

*prod* *prod*

element.constructor.name

BradleyB, thanks.

for (var i in myArr) { var Foo = myArr[i]; break; }

444edf17ade93ae if you want to check the counter

no, not many languages use that approach even modern PHP doesn't

thanks

its just an iterator

There's no such thing as a "first" element in an associative array, is there?

but it's stored internally in the array, right?

Since the "key"space is unordered

there is in PHP
it stores the name-value pairs in a list

I'm assuming based on which was the first element inserved into the ass. array, correct?

hash keys are (should be) in a random order to prevent algorithmic complexity attacks

unless they're rearranged, yes

TheoMurps: if the array is an iterator, you can get the first element but js does not have a "iterator" or even a real hash so we gots to make due.

it's getting them in ES4

well that is good news indeed

can some one look at http://aidan.homelinux.com/websites/dwl/ the pictures on the left, when you click next if you want to click previous, you have to click the button twice to change direction, anyone know how this could be fixed?

when I have an element a and do alert(a) I get "localhost: [object HTMLDivElement]" popped up, but when I do a.constructor.name, I get "undefined." The first instance is my browser telling me what I've "alert"ed was not a string, but rather an object.
a is indeed a pointer to a DIV element within the DOM

what browser?

using JSON format, when i grab the data the array of arrays are in string format, how can i get that into array of arrays format

deltab Opera 9.5
I mean 9.2

function Foo() {} var f = new Foo; f.constructor.name

Foo

function Foo() {} var f = new Foo; f

{ }

function Foo() {} var f = new Foo; f.toString();

[object Object]

hmm

ii thought the eval converted the string into its array hmmm

Uhoh. Woosta's site says he's sick

"[[']"
sorry

eval is how you convert json to a data structure

i'm looking for a "set" implementation, i.e. something i can add and remove things from that wont have unique elements
i was just using somevar[uniqueName] = "x" for add and somevar[uniqueName] = "" for remove, then i coud do if (somevar[uniqueName])

"[[1,2,3],[4,5,6]]" and on the front-end site I have
var response = request.responseText;
var jsonObj = response.evalJSON();
var array_arrays = jsonObj.info;

to test for inclusion, but it seems a terrible hack

Raevel, how come it's not array hmm

you can't make it work that way in IE

um you sure?

actually, it might not work in other browsers either since accessors are defined per property
you'd have to use methods

i'm not following you

like mySet.add(key, value)

but it works, at least for the "add" part
and the inclusion test

Raevel, see what i mean ?

if you want the info property you have to do send ({"info":[…]})
s/do//

{info: "[[1,2,3],[4,5,6]]}} — have that
{info: "[[1,2,3],[4,5,6]]"} — have that
{info: "[['1','2','3'],['4','5','6']]"} — have that

don't put quotes around the array

is that not correct ?

that would make it a string

let me try that

hi
is it possible to make a scroll bar on one html frame, but to scroll the text in other html frame?

is there a way to define a global variable from within a function?

Raevel, that worked, thank you

omit the var prefix

dont use var and if its a global function i think it makes it window.whatever

hi everyone

raevel and vinse, thanks. i'll give that a try

along the line of the global variable… how do i make an object a singleton?

actually, it might be best to always use window.foo to set globals, that way you know that a variable in an inner context won't be modified instead

i've been using a module pattern i got off YUI blog

such that var myobj = new myobjConstructor(); var myobj2 = new myobjContructor(); but myobj2 is really just another pointer to myobj

um
if you new something, its a different instance

exactly the thing i want to resolve

well, i guess you coudl do some trickery to avoid it, but seems wierd … thats what new is supposed to do
http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/06/12/module-pattern/

if you need a singleton, just use an object

that achieves a singleton with its private vars
*its own

var myObj = {/* properties */};

is it a requirement that you be able to new it?

i have two scripts - each are dependant on an object method - i don't want two objects in order to use that one method
vinse - no

the module pattern can give you, if you know java, what java calls "static" methods, which i think is what you want

i was thinking of a factory function that either finds an existing instance and returns that, or creates an object and returns that

the html2dom url doesnt convert closing elements, wonder why

you don't have to

there's no such concept in the DOM

you create the entire element, beginning and end, and then add stuff inside of it

var tr_0 = document.createElement('tr');
myTable.appendChild( tr_0 );

hmm, does javascript have a string formatting function, a la printf?

there no closing tr tag,

no :/

oic

bummer

is that alll I need for new row ?

yep
it'll be empty, but it's there

i want to have a button next to a form input field that opens up a window and the user to click on one of the links in the window and it automatically gets put into the form field, how do i do this or what do i need to search for on the net

bye friends

- but is there any solution if I want to run my func1() as well as anything else that might already be set to run (and I don't know the names of the functions)?

in other words you want to add an eventhandler to an elemetn that may already have that handler defined, and you want the new handler to not overwrite the old handler?

I think so, yes

i hacked a solution together that was pretty ugly for something like taht, i'm gonna wait to see if anyone tells you a better answer before i burden you with mine
wait, an onload handler?

yes, onload

um
ok i dont understand what you're doing

your redefinition of my problem sounded accurate

yeah but it doesnt make much sense to do that with onload

I have a script that highlights keywords, it works fine on html pages, but if they already have an onload event it ignores my script

cuz how can you add an onload handler? you cant get the body element before its loaded, and once its loaded, hasnt the handler already run?
how does your script add the handler?
use a pastebin
and technically, its not "ignoring" your handler, it overwrote it

well, it just has a function that search and replaces the dom, function is start, last line of the script says "window.onload=start", works fine but not together with other scrips that use the same method. I'm looking for ways to modify my approach so it will..

you have to check if there's an existing onload handler, save it as a var in your script, and change your script to call it inside its handler
and you may have to call it using call() or apply() to make sure you preserve its scope

ok at least I know it's possible now, I'll need to go lookup the syntax though, thanks for the pointers

hi all. anyone familiar with lowpro or event:selector libraries?
I can't grok how to pass arguments into a behaviour object

what's the ALT code for a copyright symbol?

169 iirc

how can i iterate over array of arrays ?

a loop in a loop

with nested loops

with an iteration of iterations?

with the same answer three different ways!

use a recursive function if you have N dimensions

always have 3 elements per array

but only 1 is right!

want to assign the 3 elements to variables

thankies!

Raevel, you have example ?

hi guys
how can i convert a responseXML to text?

It is text. Or at least, it's a string.

outter for loop { inner for loop assign the 3 elements to 3 different variables} } — an example of that ?

You can alert it, try it.
Is the HTML Entity for a copyright symbol © ?

hey people

Jan-, When I try to alert it's say that is a object XML I'm guess that my XML is invalid and i would like to test it

Jan-: yea, it's ©

Hmm. Sorry, no idea then msetim.
thanks

Jan-, thanks

Jan-: you can use the ascii code as well, ©

Raevel, could you help me out with the array of arrays please

why would you do that when you can use something easy to remember

I think I can just use the literal character in a JS string.
….can't I?

Jan- bookemark this : www.lookuptables.com

nah, just thought since he knew the ascii code but not the name
Jan-: you can

lol ok

how can i move a scrollbar max to the right side of screen?

but unfortunately, it's illegal in XML.
Nrgh.
And even more unfortunately, Woosta's XML.Simple library doesn't know that.

is there a way i can update a form field value on a different page by clicking on a link

Guys, I find the problem, my XML have a duplicate attribute. This XML go from a 3 party application and I cannot change it,, someidea of how I can fix it?

how can i move a scrollbar max to the right side of screen?

I can to load a string how a XML object?

i figured out the array thing cool

There's nothing illegal about a copyright symbol in XML

so to rebuild a table, i need to clear out the children nodes and rebuild it with dom ?

Jan-: ^^

If you're sick, you shouldn't be online :/

The problem you may be having is if you're declaring one character set and using another
Yes, I know
Not going to help much

It's traditional

A much more likely plan of attack

You know what, you're right
Although actually… hrmn.
It may be some other character.
But I don't think so.
Either way I am doing something here which is causing xml.simple to output invalid XML.

is there any way to move a scrollbar????

obj.scrollTop = whatever

ty

actually… is that readonly?

somebody knows how convert a string to a xml object? I have a valid xml put in a variable and I would like to use it how a xml

Anyhoo - I'm using xml.simple to produce XML containing metadata about a quicktime movie.
If I use a sample movie which has a copyright field (containing the © character) the XML appears to be invalid.
If I use a sample movie which doesn't, it doesn't.

i'm looking for a technique to "fix" the first (leftmost) column of a table, but scroll teh rest … i can do this "row-wise" but column-wise seems to be a different beast

IE complains "The XML page cannot be displayed/An invalid character was found in text content"
If I display the XML in Firefox, where the copyright symbol should appear, the line actually reads:
? 2006 Warner Independent Pictures. All Rights Reserved

It's obviously improperly encoded.

encoding problms …
jan

xlogic?

That error is due to bad encoding

iframe.scrollleft = 0; does not work.

No idea. GIYF.
Oh scrollLeft

guys, my English is understandable?

Imperfect, but comprehensible.
That should have been "Is my English understandable?"

if I merge two DOM documents together, is there any way to merge the namespace prefixes?

Jan-: you're serving utf8 but declaring it as ISO8859-1 or something similar

e.g., in one document, I have XMLSchema prefixed with 'xs', while the other has 'xsd'
is there any way to unify the prefixes?

Jan-, what a shame Thanks..

I'm doing what now?

(1) how on earth do you have XML in text?

What I'm doing is to put the output of XML_Simple.XMLOut into window.clipboardData(…) and then pasting it into a text file.

…
Where's the error comming from then?

hi I'm updating an image src with javascript, but sometimes IE doesn't display it. The user has to right click and 'show picture'… why would IE do that??
hi I'm updating an image src with javascript, but sometimes IE doesn't display it. The user has to right click and 'show picture'… why would IE do that??

Woosta, I will try to be comprehensible. I have a valid XML in a string. e.g: var a = 'aaaahello/aaa' and I would like to convert it in a Object XML to work with childNode method….

Jan-++
yes. I got that.

How was I supposed to know that?!

How on earth did you end up with it in a string?

Now I have to figure out what sort of encoding is used by the FileSystemObject.CreateTextFile method
Urgh

Someone at 71.6.194.243 pasted "not sure why this does not work" (25 lines) at http://erxz.com/pb/3608

Jan-: because you ask someone who already knows. Then you impart that knowledge to someone else one day. Then they say "but we finally got rid of all the stupid charsets when Microsoft went bankrupt!"

not sure why the code does not work. any help is grealy appreciated: http://erxz.com/pb/3608

Jan-: it's windows .. it will be ISO8859-1

Microsoft make kittens die.
Hey, do you have Pizza Express in .au?

I think the evidence is still out on Microsoft's involvement in the kitten killings.
No, but it scares me. Factory pizza always scares me.

We toss 'em, they're awesome!

It's not factory pizza.
It's made in the restaurant.

I saw "frozen pizza" on "How it's made" last week. I'll never believe one of those "just like mamma makes" adverts again
Jan-: factory pizza doesn't have to be made in a factory
Pizza Hut is factory pizza

I always go and have an American Hot with extra spicy beef, chillies, onions, and chilli oil, when I have a cold.

Woosta, I know that XML is text Thanks for you help

Slam! Squish! Flop! Shimmy! Splat! Ding!

raevel and vinse, thank you for your help earlier. i was able to finally get the script working using that method for global vars

eh? Do you not understand the question?

Woosta, I think that you answer to me if I know that XML is a text. Sorry if I don't undersand

anybody

Is there some way I can append a chunk of XML onto an existing XML document?
Is there some way I can append a chunk of XML onto an existing XML document?

Deep-merge the two objects ..
Of course, that ain't necessarily a simple task

de-eep me-rge?
I am suspecting, not for the first time, that Woosta is considerably better at this than me.

hello everyone
how can i get access to an specific element of a select box?

?

Jan-: I don't have any deep merge code lying around. Someone else probably does, or google will find it.

i've tried doing document.getElementById("mySelectBox").options[0].text but it didn't work
it says undefined (altough it exists)

Jan-: do you have code accessing the existing XML?

fokker, you can probably use document.getElementById("mySelectBox").childNodes[0]

no, don't do that
Use the options object
just like he did already

great. But how?
because i'm doing that already and it doesn't work

No idea why 'text' is showing undefined .. but try the more generic textContent

is that compatible with all browsers?

no
you'll need innerText on MS

so i can't use it

eh?

innerText?

text should be working
I doubt it's write-only
So something else is wrong
See what textContent gives you

the rest of the script works just fine

guys!!! I found how to make var xmlobject = (new DOMParser()).parseFromString(xmlstring, "text/xml");

So?

Tks

I could have told you that ages ago .. plus that it won't work on MS browsers
But you never answered my questions

how would I go about recreating a table with DOM ?

`js html2dom @ mod_cure
`html2dom @ mod_cure

html2dom: Woosta's (x)html to DOM convertor .. convert xhtml chunks to DOM scripting: http://rick.measham.id.au/paste/html2dom.htm

i used that

i've tried doing innerText and it's still returning undefined

pretty neat

Put a (simple) table in the top-left, click convert

but not working

that's what I thought

Woosta, sorry I don't see. You is cool! Tks

sure it is .. you're doing something wrong

it gives me back the code
but how do i clear out the exisitng table and recreating it withthe code it gave me ?

See, that's a TOTALLY differenet question

theTable.parentNode.replace(newTable, theTable)

`js empty @ mod_cure

js empty: A function to empty a node of content: function empty(node){ while(node.firstChild) node.removeChild( node.firstChild ); return node }

im using that

bah, insin's is much better

it works for my select

replaceChild even
theTable.parentNode.replaceChild(newTable, theTable)

sorry to bother you mate, i can see that you are quite busy…but, any clues then?

http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/DOM:element.replaceChild

none. It looks like your first option has no text. Does the page validate?

yes, it does
and it has text too
ok, i'll keep looking then

table width="100%" id="calendarinfo" border="0" align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="calendar_small"

trtdTEST/td/tr/table

thanks for the help anyways.

check you DOM inspector

i get no warnings whatsoever

http://erxz.com/pb/3608

the only error i get is when i call the function that executes that line

cellpadding, align, cellspacing won't work .. but OK
that code didn't come from my site
You're appending td_0 to the table

hi, how can i dynamically include (end evaluate) a javascript file?

`js include @ rafsoaken

js include: Include another Javascript file in your Javascript .. http://www.phpied.com/javascript-include/

thx

Woosta, the site converts it but how do i attach the code form the site to my table ?
myTable.appendChild( td_0 ); — no good ?

that code didn't come from my site
You're appending td_0 to the table

Did my site give you that? No.

no

What's the parent element of a TD?

how do i attach it to the table ?

…?

what u mean

What is the ONLY parent element a TD can have in HTML?
it's not a UL)

not sure

…

no
neither

er
oops, tr
;-)

yes

Woosta, what is it ? just trying to learn

pfn just answered for you

mod_cure, you should read the HTML DTD/spec
it answers *everything*

been doing that and picking at it all day

#2, you should run all html through a validator

He knows enough HTML to know the answer .. surely ..

which will basically answer that question for you, as well

After all, his HTML was valid
do you see the problem yet?

no

Well.
That was fun

What is the ONLY parent element a TD can have? (remember, pfn just answered it)

Jan\: welcome back

Woosta, so i attach it to the tr ?

Bingo!

Jan\: I'd've told you about the encoding if I'd been around

sure sure
that's what they all say .. after the fact

not sure how that would fix the issue

hi
I have a javascript problem

Jan\: in JavaScript you'd use \xA9 or \u00A9, and in CSS \A9 (with no x)

–you're saying clear out all the children nodes with id=1 then recreate all the trs ?

this works in Mozilla, but not in IE
options.dataXML = (new DOMParser()).parseFromString(options.dataXML, "text/xml");
anyoine can help ?

Weren't you just here?

http://dev.abiss.gr/sarissa/

Woosta, i dont see how that makes sense

which?
whuh?

is there a function that converts to XML ?

Assuming id="calendarinfo" is your table, then the code you pasted will work once you fix the heirarchy problem

http://dev.abiss.gr/sarissa/howtos.html#loadstring ?

Someone at 71.6.194.243 pasted "this way ?" (54 lines) at http://erxz.com/pb/3609

stop doing his work for him
I hate lazy people

http://erxz.com/pb/paste

id="2" … bzzzt
WTF?

-_^ …

That code is completely different

agree, it's an example

thank you I will try it

why did you change the whole thing?

Woosta, to MS Browser exist some parseFromString ??

ok, sorry let me post it

what you had before would have WORKED

In doing document.write('some string'), what are the rules on what needs to be escaped / how it will be un-escaped?
uIn doing document.write('some string'), what are the rules on what needs to be escaped / how it will be un-escaped?/u

anything written will be parsed just as if it was written statically into the html document

Raevel, Cool, thanks!

Someone at 71.6.194.243 pasted "updated" (35 lines) at http://erxz.com/pb/3610

Woosta, http://erxz.com/pb/3610

anyone know of a open source iframe library that adds navigation and resize controls?

It can't very well not be open source, can it

what do you mean? i'm talking of an OSS license, such as the GPL

Woosta, the tr tag should have the id instead of table and attach the tr id to the dom elements ?

Jan\: someone could have applied a very clever rotating cypher algorithm to obfuscate it! :p

jan\, insin, that's not what "open source" means..sorry to confuse

that wouldn't be very useful anyway!

heh

Quitit
*mutter*
Next time I'm gonna have it check off the MD5 hash of its own source, or something *impeccably* evil like that.
"TAMPER, would you?!"

Raevel, can u help me out for a sec please ?

Jan\: the problem is lawyers

Which file do I need to include if I just want to convert a string to XML ? sarissa.js, sarissa_dhtml.js, sarissa_ieemu_load.js, sarissa_ieemu_xpath.js, sarissa_ieemu_xslt.js

mathiii, why do you assume insin would know that

what do the docs say?

Jan\: mutant psychic powers

What, him too?!

insinfound nothing for now on

trying to figure out how to attach the dom code to a table, trying to recrate the table

i'm looking

Jan\: yes, you aren't special anymore

*sob*

If I read a JSON object from an array & then modify it's fields, will the changes appy to the object in the array, or would I just be working with a copy?

do you mean a JSON text, or are you referring to an actual Object stored in an Array?

the changes would apply to the instance of the obj that you modified

that's avoiding the essence of the question
is the object a reference or a copy?

if you're talking about an Object, you'd be working a reference, not a copy
that's *not* a "JSON object" though, which is why I asked the first question - JSON is a text format

a clarification through pasting of the context to which you're referring could more definitely answer your question

var a = [{'property': 'value}]; var o = a[0]; o.property = "changed"; a[0];

Error: Error: unterminated string literal at line 0: var a = [{'property': 'value}]; var o = a[0]; o.property = "changed"; a[0];

var a = [{'property': 'value'}]; var o = a[0]; o.property = "changed"; a[0];

{ property: changed}

var array = [{field:1}]; var obj = array[0]; obj.field+=1; alert(obj.field); alert(array[0].field);

ok, that clarifies things - that's object literal notation, not JSON
and you would be changing the object itself via a reference, not a copy

looks like JSON

haha

JSON is a text format
you haven't been reading that awful article on Dustin Diaz' site, have you?

How can i add #balh to the end of a url in javascript WITHOUT reloading the page??

var array = [{field:1}]; var obj = array[0]; obj.field+=1; array[0].field;

2

josh[n00b]: window.location.hash = "blah";

thanks insin

you're welcome

josh[n00b], in FF it wont reload the page. In IE6 the anchor has to exist or the page will reload, iirc

thanks [T]

json is a definition of how to create strings of javascript that when evaluated result in an object that usually encapsulates data or collections of data in the form of javascript objects

I like the usually

is {"field":1} JSON, vs {field:1} object literal notation?

they're both object literal notation
if it's not a string, it's not JSON
'{"field": 1}' is JSON

okay
thanks

sorry to sould like a stickler, just wanted to avoid confusion now and in the future
*sound

and you say obj = eval(json_string) (essentially)
^
ideally you'd like to use some library to handle the requesting of anything that returns json and have the json automatically safely evaluated by the library

If I append a bunch of properties to an object, then do a for/in, do they come back in the same order they were defined?

i think it's mostly really meant to be a data interchange format

Jan-: the ordering is not defined

an alternative to xml

afaik at least

http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Core_JavaScript_1.5_Referencetatements:for…in
"A for…in loop iterates over the properties of an object in an arbitrary order"

How do I setup a scrollbar callback?

i wouldn't believe that unless i saw it in the ecma spec though

in practice all the browsers iterate with a consistent order

are you using any library to attach listeners to events?

nope

what browsers are you trying to support?

IE and Mozilla

I use my own HashTable object which uses an Object for storage and manages the keys using an array, just to be safe

i'd recomment using the Prototype library to bind a listener to the "scroll" event for the appropriate element

Ill check it out. Thanks

np
my bad

Jan-: no

Hrmn.
That's bad.

why would you use a library? it's not enough to just do eval(json_string);?

you're correct. that's prefectly suitable…

What does "constructor is not an object" mean

a library could streamline the process for you so you could set the parameters for making a remote request and handling the return object that resulted from evaluation of the json
and a lib can also make sure the json is safe, and probably better handle parsing errors

ok

^

Jan-: maybe you're using "new X" when X isn't a function

bc like i said earlier, you should only really be dealing with strings of json that are the result of a request or parameter data do be submitted with a request you are making

Jan-: or foo.0

that's what I was thinking
but it's not my code, so it's tricksy
is Woosta still around?

"Jan" at 71.6.194.243 pasted "Glitch with XML_Simple" (32 lines) at http://erxz.com/pb/3611

That may well be my fault somehow.
But I'm not sure.
If our antipodean friend wakes up again, perhaps someone could mention that to him if I'm not around.

Jan-: I'm guessing you mean this.inner = innerFunc;

Very possibly.
I have no idea what I'm doing with clever object notation stuff.

Well .. do you want innerFunc to be called when you call outerFunc?

er

Or do you want outerfunc to set a function called 'inner' that calls innerFunc when it's called?

I just don't want to have to put a ton of this_ws_Properties.foo lines into outerfunc, in my real app.
I just don't want to have to put a ton of this_ws_Properties.foo lines into outerfunc, in my real app.
Ahhh.
Obscuring problem.

actually .. on second look, you code makes no sense ..

Ignore it. It's gibberish.

done.

XML_Simple does *not* like objects with explicit null properties.
Hang on let me prove it

"Jan" at 71.6.194.243 pasted "Javascript" (3 lines) at http://erxz.com/pb/3612

I think we need another if() case in the "X in obj" loop in XMLOut
"constructor is not an object", presumably in:
if (typeof(obj[X]) == 'object' && obj[X].constructor == Array) {

why not change that line for if (obj[X] instanceof Array) ?

Hang on, I'll try it
It really gets upset if obj[X]===null

so check for that explicitly?

that's plan B

not instanceof

hi

Jan-: do you want it to output an empty element for the null property?

I guess so.

I am updating a certain div on my page and adding a select form to it. Immediately afterwards I run a javascript command to select a certain index of the form. It complains that it can't find the form (null). Am I making a mistake or is it not available yet?

Or, modify XMLIn to recognise the string "null", or something.
since null != '', as far as I know
null == ''

Jan-: false

Jan-: then how do you tell the difference between null and "null"?

_STUPID_PREFIX_STRING_null

emptyString/emptyString

how are you adding the form?
woo(sta)

If it's not donig that, then it's wrong

Element.update

did you write that? What does it do?

did you catch the paste bin?

That should give something like optbar//opt
If it doesn't, there's a bug

Awoooooo-gah!

i'm using rails to generate the javascript. But basically Element.update("divname", htmlcode for select box")

is there a reason why 'explain' is higher than others? http://75.18.204.208/

then I presume that uses innerHTML - adding forms/form elements with innerHTML is problematic

yeah
okay. so that's the problem. I will have to generate the form with the correct element selected at the start. e.g. set the selected attribute
it doesn't fit into my code so nicely

How do I get the scrollable width?

can you pastie your context?

I mean for any html page. I want the maxium scrollable area.

i'm not sure what exactly you're looking for

I would think it was document.body.Height

the document body width/height depends on the content, i believe. i'm confused by your search for the maximum scrollable area
i would say the maximum scrollable area of a html document would be infinite

I found it
it's document.getDocumentHeight();
Oh. I see your issue.
I want the CURRENT scrollable area

"Jan" at 71.6.194.243 pasted "Kinda fix for xml.simple" (17 lines) at http://erxz.com/pb/3613

OK, so that's probably really uglysome.

scrollHeight ??

But it prevents the error.
As to what a real fix would be… rhi ruhrhoh, Rhaggy.

eww
not using that
working on a real fix now

*stifled sniffling*

uglysome?

ic. so that's workin for you now?

Yep, that nailed it.

cool

A girl that knows Javascript? Thats very cool. Never met one.

Jan-: 0.110 is up
http://rick.measham.id.au/paste/xml.simple.js
Tests at http://rick.measham.id.au/paste/xml.simple.htm work

well.. i emerged ndiswrapper again, now when i load the module the system locks up

yeah but too late i did it in X

thats on a dual core x2 5200

love screen btw
i got a 2.4 Ghz p4

you can detach next time from $xterm

oh yeah that too

then re attach from tty's

scren is leet

yea
well um leet?

screen=elite

picked up some with .so.1
leet!=cool

could it be the 4Kstacks thing in the kernel? because debian also had that.. but i didnt have any probs with ndiswrapper

i think my proccessor is semi 64bit

without any debug info, it's hard to tell anything.

wouldn't that make it 32bit?

doesn't matter unless your environment is 64 bit

whats TLB in relation to cpu?

why does nv driver work for me in ubuntu but not gentoo?

true, but.. i cant really give debug info when the system completely stops responding

cause i have 64… something
like mem registers/tables i dunno

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Translation_Lookaside_Buffer

Hey folks, what does everyone think of digikam? What would you all suggest for an alternative?

unless there is a log of some sort?

lemmie fix my resolution and emerge firefox and ill check that out seren

ndiswrapper writes to /var/log/messages

gphoto2
FiveFlat:
sorry

you like that kde?

i'll take a look there

but if your not too picky try out picasa

Well that, I like KDE

isnt that for image finding?
picasa

i got it
emerge -av $(for pkg in `equery -q -C depends perl` ; do echo -n "=${pkg} " ; done)

in that case, I dunno — I'm a gnomer, and seren seems like one too

I have Picasa, but it's difficult for viewing images, etc

gphoto2 is good if you dont mind gtk

emerge -av1 perhaps

what's wrong with gtk?

hey i need help.. i have a nvidia 8600 and when i start the nvidia driver i get a load of fuzz then just a cursor in the middle of the screen
appears to freeze up

nothing unless you use kde
well to me

account on

gtkam is the gtk frontend for gphoto

Ah! Would that be a good reason behind my mplayer screwing up so much? because I have KDE?

anyone else here got 8×00 nvidia card?

no

so then why would I not like gtk with KDE?

i mean some people dont like to mix, kde sticks to qt etc deps get bulky etc etc

sorry
Ah, okay

is it possible to program and run applications using the svgalib while running X?

it says "windows driver requestion too many (256) map registers"
*requesting

gtkam just requires gtk libs, that's about all
it's not a 'gnome' app if you get what i mean

heyy anyone around?

also this "no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted"

RichW^: what's the question?

yeah, I get what you mean. I'm emerging it right now. gonna try it out. I can alway unmerge it if I don't like it

the nv driver dont work with my 8600.. just errors out.. il try and get some output hang on

would upgrading the kernel help possibly? im running.. 2.6.19-gentoo-r5

8600 support looks terrable though

extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0""

ive managed to get in with vesa driver
thats a pretty crappy driver though
very basic

how do i resolve? is it as simple as just adding "RANDR" "enable" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?

do you have libXrandr installed?

friendly12345, yep

this error occurs when starting x right?

I would try an older version of the windows driver, if anything

friendly12345, yeah, probably…i noticed it when trying to resize my desktop

hm alright

do you have randrproto as well?

friendly12345, yes i do

these will take a while to download.. (damn slow netgear site)

what card? Nvidia?

friendly12345, yep, 8500gt iirc

also what version of xrandr is installed?

friendly12345, 1.2.1

the NVIDIA driver doesn't support RandR 1.2 yet
…unless I'm mistaken

friendly12345, dunno, i'm using 100.14.11, and iirc i had RandR working for a while

1.2 ?

that i'm not sure about

you may find this thread relevant: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-June/025133.html

friendly12345, thanks, i'll check it out

How do I disable the zlib use flag?

Toby, globally or per package?

ok brb

for a package
trying to install gnome

Toby, edit /etc/portage/package.use

and it's telling me to disable zlib

i use flagset

read the handbook or the portage manpage

dont know how to fully use it

ok thx

atom/package-name string of use flags here……e.g. dev-db/mysql innodb minimal blah blah blah

darn still stuck in 640×480
this is nutz

thank you

Toby, you should still read the gentoo docs though…give you a better understanding of it all

check your X config, to see what the max resolutions set are

nvidia works but doesnt show splash… nomatter what modes i put it stays at 640×480
ive been messin with xorg.conf all night

oh.. that is odd

I tried. I've been trying to get a working system for two days now

nokidding

ah well thx again

hey all, i have a really "stupid" question, but what is the difference between emerge system and emerge world?

brb

maybe i need to enable Edid or whatever its called in the kernel

system is basically what's in the stage3 tarball, ie toolchain, package manager and what they need to work. world is everything you've ever asked to be installed

not sure… they've always just worked for me

would emerge world update the system too?

yes

so why is there emerge system when emerge world would work too? btw, thanks for the help

but if your toolchain will change, you want to do system, then rebuild everything with the new one which is why they suggest both in the gcc upgrade guide

if I understand correctly, the stage3 install = toolchain.
and everything else i install ie, X, gnome, etc is the world?

basically, yeah

loo loo loo compiling a kernel loo loo loo you are too loo loo loo lets get together loo lool oo -butters
heh

ok so I'm looking at this script called "update" that was featured in gwn. If i employ something like that to keep my os updated would that ensure that my system as well as my world kept up to date?

whenever i start or stop apache, i get "Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName"
is this something i need to fix?

brb. have to tend to the wife.

it works weith that error

nope

okay

i wish i could get my dyndns Domain hosting name to work with irc's. whois is that possible?

cause im having trouble getting a VirtualHost to work and i was wondering if that had anything to do with it

I just checked out xgl with subversion into a portage overlay, but I'm not sure how to keep those source files up to date. do I have to manually checkout and re-emerge or will portage somehow take care of it?

if you did it with subversion emerge knows nothing of it

just look for ServerName in httpd.conf if you want to set it

im having trouble finding grub.conf

Debugger__, figured, so to update, update the svn repo and then run emerge xgl?

last i checked is if you got it via svn then u gotta update it via "svn up"

/boot/grub/grub.cong

there is no /boot/grub

Debugger, yeah but then I gotta recompile

i dunno
possibly

vandle, mount your boot drive

i guess it couldnt hurt

partition

TheLorax:

mount /dev/sda1 /boot or /dev/hda1

ahhrg this laptop is so horribly slow

in creating an ebuild, anyone know a good way to determine if PHP was build for apache instead of cgi or cli?

vandel, you find it?

i doubt its as bad as the lappy i have

I'm packaging an app that requires mod_php

400mhz, 128mb RAM..
ive got an older laptop, 70mhz, 16mb RAM lol

i have a 486DX 512MB hd compaq contura lappy w/floppy drive
it stinks
i have like 16mb ram

DeBugger__, do you still use it?

sorta
its not on now

lol

lol what do you do with it?

but i use it to ssh into my other pc's sometimes

well this laptop has XP on it *spews*

i guess that makes sense

had to buy a cardbus eth0 card

gremlin132, it could be worse, my laptop has vista on it

yeah it uses cardbus pcmcia
oldest pcmcia

yuck vista

google compaq contura and u'll see what i mean
410c

yea but noone else has installed linux on it and written anything about it, i almost installed gentoo the other day but when i thoght about the trouble i'd have to go through to get the ethernet card detected prior to installation i said poo poo to that

not to mention the battery doesnt work

this laptop doesnt have a brand

i'll wait till someone else says it works
then i'll do it

fair enough lol

don't wanna bother setting everything up to find out smething isn't supported

yeh

well you never kno it might have a chipset that has fedora linux support

thanks TheLorax

Is there a way to get gtk+ not to depend on xorg-x11?

can you explain that to me, how that works?

I don't want xorg, I use gtk+ with x11 forwarding

i think the ide controller and stuff is all supported. but stuff like the sound might not be

mounting /dev/hda1 /boot makes /boot/grub show up

(not depend on xorg-server, rather)

right now netbsd runs on my compaq contura 410c

vga is the newest nvidia only, the one on all my live cds doesn't work so i need to always exit x and then reconfigure to vesa then startx again

Anyone running Gnome 2.18?

vandle, mount associates a drive/partition with a directory. when you boot your boot partition is not "attached" to the dir. same for cd-roms and stuff.
and usb memory sticks
in windows, when you "safely remove hardware" that's basically unmounting.

is there an easy way to add packages to world without actually installing them (well re-insatlling them), this a a new install via the GTK installer and it seems several of the things it installed (grub, xorg-x11, etc…) are unprotected from depclean

loki_chaos, you could edit the /usr/lib/portage/world file, but I'm not sure if that's recommended.

TheLorax, I think it just clicked in my head
/boot is on a separate partition

Do we have something like Adobe Illustrator?

/var/lib/portage/world**

im quit liking gentoo so far

vandle, right and you need to tell linux what directory corresponds to that parition.

it boots up so fast
quite*
btw, im asking because i wanted to set a grub password
im learning how to secure the system

you can't really secure a system if someone has local access :-/

so dont allow local access

vandle, yeah even if you ahve a grub passworld a liveCD can get in.

TheLorax, I'm setting a BIOS password next, disabling CD-ROM and floppy boot

because a liveCD boots before rub
oh ok

it should be safe, as they are installed and i do want emerge -[pick relevant flags] world to include them

?_AxS_, you there
_AxS_, there?

bios passwords can be reset with a jumper easily enough

this laptops taken like 15mins to install a flash drive *angry*

so i'll lock the machine in a steel case
lol

a tank can break one of those

on a laptop? I suppose you can still take it apart, but at that point just steal the HD and put it in another computer

or a 50 calibre bullet

ll
lol*

hi all, plz check my problem, when i run layman -f http://rafb.net/p/leYTag14.html
i use a proxy server to connect to internet
i use a proxy server hosting to connect to internet

I should have RTFM… depclean tells you how to add them: emerge –noreplace atom

mzbot teach garette gnome

loki_chaos, doh, forgot about that one.

iwlist works
using older driver… ill try iwconfig now

it's ok, still I feel the installer should add them automatically

nope, locks up
anyone got a kernel they reccomend that isnt 2.6.19-gentoo-r5

2.6.20-gentoo-r8?

can i get it from emerge?

yeah

cause gentoo-sources always gives me 2.6.19

what arch are you on?

i686
well, x86 really

2.6.22-gentoo-r1 works for me

my x86 machine is up to 2.6.21

so.. what would i type in emerge then? lol (gentoo noob)

germlin32, no idea. let me check oyu gentoo-0portage, brb

whats the best way to monitor my router's traffic (ports n all)

hey all plz check this error when i run layman -f, http://rafb.net/p/leYTag14.html

gremlin132, checkout http://gentoo-portage.com/sys-kernel/gentoo-sources the versions without ~x86 you should "just have"
try eselect kernel list also

TheLorax, hey all plz check this error when i run layman -f, http://rafb.net/p/leYTag14.html

ah ok.. i know this is going to sound really stupid. how do i do that?
lol

i assume anything user sys-apps is unsafe for depclean to remove also sys-lib?

please tell me you have run emerge –sync and update-eix
….and that you have installed eix

garette, says that link is down, but it's up. can you ping http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/overlays/layman-global.txt?

TheLorax, hey man, i use proxy server to connect to the inter net,

uhhh.. i dont know, never used gentoo before

garette, I have no experience with proxies
garette, is this overlay for xgl??

TheLorax, you know anyone using proxy support?

no

TheLorax, no i just installed layman to d/l the overlay enlightenment e17
TheLorax, and am starting it for the first time and its down lol

mzbot, teach gremlin132 emerge –sync

No such faq

garette, not down for me….

installing eix =/

to be able to know what is the latest version available in portage, you'll need to run emerge –sync, as the handbook states

TheLorax, lol

oh… heh

gremlin132, when was the last time you ran that?

TheLorax, man temme temme one more thing, if i add env variables through a file in /etc/env.d/ they will come at startup?

update-eix is required after an emerge –sync if you have eix installed

how might I figure out how gtk+ is pulling in xorg-server?

garette, no idea.

TheLorax, ok nm, thanks anyway

emerge -pv each_dependency_in_the-ebuild
doesn't
but emerge -pv gtk+ does

or if you prefer eix-sync to do both

i just installed eix, and im running emerge –sync now

bbl

glguy, I guess because gtk+ directly depends on xserver

that isn't in the ebuild though, is it?
2.10.13 is the newest amd64 ebuild
and it doesn't mention xserver

theres alot of stuff there =|

glguy, reverse deps for gtk+, http://gentoo-portage.com/x11-libs/gtk+/RDep#ptabs

how might I figure out how gtk+ is pulling in xorg-server? -t

-t doesn't explain how xorg-server is getting lumped in
I tried that
it lumps it in, but doesn't explain why

glguy, gentoo-portage says gtk+ needs libX* stuff and they all need x11-xorg and that needs xorg-server

they don't need x11-xorg though

glguy, yeah they do, http://gentoo-portage.com/x11-libs/libXi/Dep#ptabs

ugh

X use flag ?

nope, libXi doesn't depend on that , chec kth ebuild…

why the $#^# cant i get anything better then 640×480

this used to work

this is driving me nutz

you can use X with out an Xserver

hello

using forwarding

as in gtk+ is not pulling in xorg-server because of the X USE flag?

gtk+ doesn't directly depend on xorg-server, I'm trying to figure out what does that is pulling it in
none of its direct dependencies depend on it either
that's why I'm having trouble understanding this

how I must set GRUB when my partisions are sda1(WinXP installed), sda2 primary, sda3 extended, sda5 swap please? Sorry for my bad english

equery depgraph gtk+ shows that xorg isn't depended on

so you're saying that emerge gtk+ pulls in xorg-server, regardless of whether you have the X USE flag enabled locally or globally?

:-/ no, USE=-X fixes that dependency..
so the USE=X is specifically local X?

whats a good tool for imaging hard drives? and dont say dd because thats not really good enough

mzbot, teach glguy varemerge

hello all, i just did, emerge-websync, and emerge -avDNu, but it unexpectedly ended up showing some errors, and when i rebooted, my desktop is gone, omg!! plz help

Please don't use environment variables on the commandline to direct portage. Portage will forget your settings. Ask me about "environment abuse ACCEPT_KEYWORDS" or "environment abuse USE" for specifics, and read 'man portage' when you get the chance.

I'm not using USE on the commandline!

RichW, in what way is it not good enough?

I don't see where I said I did that

Draconx, it seems to output all the free space and not just partitons

how I must set GRUB when my partisions are sda1(WinXP installed), sda2 primary, sda3 extended, sda5 swap please? Sorry for my bad english

um. why'd you reboot?
teach adq repost

If nobody responds to your question in a channel as busy as #gentoo you should rephrase the question. Maybe the original question doesn't quite make sense, or maybe it's too long to simply scan and reply. Whatever the reason is, just reposting the same question will probably get you the same answer (no answer).

usually X as a USE flag just pulls in xorg-server if it is not installed

af

why?

RichiH, well yes, if you instruct it to copy the whole drive, it will copy the whole drive, whether or not there are partitions there.

Is there a distro agnostic way to findout what window managers are installed?

after doin' an emerge -e system .. should emerge –update –deep –newuse world report anything ?

I have a java GUI app I would like to start at boot in gnome

Skuunky, here is the error http://rafb.net/p/WGlH3A85.html

how can I go about doing it?

I would prefer something more intellegent

Skunky, here is the error http://rafb.net/p/WGlH3A85.html

that seems to be unique to gtk+ of all the packages I have installed

RichW^, I suspect most people use tar for backups.

and the ebuild for gtk+ doesn't even mention the X use flag in the dependencies

not really unique

I have 12 packages installed that use the X flag
gtk+ is the only one that exhibits this behavior

that's because you did not have the use flag enabled for that package did you not?

Skunky, did yiu get the error?

no, I've alwasy had the X flag on
in my make.conf

deptree doesn't mention x server for gtk+ ?

no, as it shouldn't

RichW^, the thing is, if you are imaging a drive, there is no such thing as 'free space'.

ok, so, emerge it again.

Skunky, no its ending up at that error

so?

it should if USE=X is in make.conf / the X use flag is enabled for gtk+

it's just saying it didn't find what it thought it should find in the temp dir, if you emerge it again, it should unpack it into the temp dir again and work fine.

Skunky, so i dunno whats going on my desktop i cant even se any icon, or even do a right clicl lol

*gtk+ package

that has nothing to do with the error message you pasted.

what line of the ebuild pulls xorg-server in?

Skunky, well, i changed some thing in my make.conf would that have affected the desktop thing?

gtk+ only uses the X use flag because it needs cairo to be built with it

wanna see my make.conf?

possible. but since you didn't say WHAT you changed, AND you still have not answered the first question I asked you, I have no idea.

Skunky, what was the question you did ask?

um. why'd you reboot?

Skunky, i actually didint reboot, but shutted down the system and slept, and started it back the next day, as i got frustated with the error!!

does anybody know anything about xmacro (a program for capturing keyboard events and playing them back using a command)?

Skunky, well i have one more doubt, well, to update portage tree, i use emerge-websync, cause i use a proxy server and rsync is not suppoted by proxies lol, lol do that effect?

no.

Skunky, here is my make.conf, there you will find, what i changed, http://rafb.net/p/o8Hi1u78.html, i commened the line which i said i changed to .. now the uncommented line is the older one

but not running dispatch-conf (or etc-update) after you emerged a bunch of stuff would cause problems.

Skunky, i never ran those, (me noob) know nothing compared you guys lolz

so you changed the CFLAGS line?
you didn't read the handbook.

Skunky, i read, but i didnt uderstand whats etc updating and so..

anything along the dependency tree with the X USE flag enabled will mean xorg-server pulled in

so I should file a bug then?

Skunky, yeah i changed the cflgs, now i put back the previous ones, and did emerge -avDNu world, but it still is stopping at that point which i previously mentioned

no, have you tried disabling the X USE flag for cairo?

cairo doesn't pull in xorg-server
it doesn't depend on it with the X use flag
I disabled it on gtk+ only
which doesn't depend on it either… but pulls it in

the X USE flag is enabled for your installed cairo package though, isn't it

yes it is

hence xorg-server is pulled in

and emerge -pv cairo doesn't pull in xorg-server

stop changing your CFLAGS. pick 1 and leave it. either should be fine. emerge –skipfirst –resume should get you past the error you're having right now, but you might die on something else. run dispatch-conf before you re-start emerge. if you don't know what to do with dispatch-conf, read the handbook, or ask somebody else for help, it's 0140 here, I have to get up for work in 3 hours, so I'm going back to bed.

X support has nothing to do with require an X server

bleh downloading new kernel .

equery depgraph cairo | grep xorg says yes

eselect is useful

not on my computer

Skunky, bye, gn

and not if you look at the build

hmm…

what cairo version?

1.4.6

so, when building an overlay, should I be able to dump files into a distfiles directory relatively to that overlay?

yyyyaayy compiling a kernel, the joyyy

my /var/db/pkg/x11-libs/gtk+-2.10.13/DEPEND shows the xorg-server dependency
but I sitll don't understand why
If i figure it out, I'll file the bug, otherwise, thanks for your time

what is a good gtk based cd burning app w/o half a million gnome deps?

you have the X USE flag enabled for cairo, the X USE flag pulls in x11-proto/renderproto, renderproto requires xorg-server

again: emerge -pv renderproto
doesn't pull in xorg-server
at least on my local install… :-/

so does anybody know a way I could record keyboard events a play them back with a command (the program xmacro would, but there's no ebuild)

the renderproto ebuild says inherit x-modular —relevant ?

I'm investigating that now

xcdroast

I don't see any evidence in that .eclass that xorg-server is ever added to the DEPENDS or RDEPENDS
but I could be reading it wrong :-/

what about inherit

inherit eutils libtool multilib toolchain-funcs flag-o-matic autotools ${FONT_ECLASS}
that's from the x-modular.eclass
maybe the font_eclass is
(doesn't appear to either)
I used to use xorg-x11 at one point on this machine, so I think that my dependencies are just confused
I've since removed xorg-x11, this only becomes noticeable if I try to emerge -pev world to see what would have happened

Can someone assist me with graphics please, I am not talking about X either.

what's the question

Does anything control whether a system boots with drives using dma other than hdparm? My drives keep losing their dma settings when I reboot even though I've tried -k1 and/or -K1

friendly12345, could we PM please?

its really annoying .. right now I have hdparm commands in /etc/conf.d/local.start =P I'd really rather not have to do that.

heh
i captured teh flag
all bow to meh
heh

meh indeed.

theres this park across the street

S="${WORKDIR}/${PN}-${PV}${_XORG_RELEASE:+-${_XORG_RELEASE}}" x-modular_unpack_source() { unpack ${A} cd ${S} –is that installing X ?

with a flag

isn't that what /etc/conf.d/hdparm is for?

so i picked the flag rope lock
and raised the flag upsidedown
and relocked it
im pimp

wow, I'm dumb.

aint i teh shiz

I think that that is just because you need the xorg-x11 source files to build the modular libraries

not only did i raise the flag upside down i also picked the lock to it

thanks. dunno why I never looked in there.

ah

eh?
some love wouldnt hurt

yeah, see unpacking not installing

script start fails saying i need to specify my essid in /etc/conf.d/wireless with preferred_aps
so i do
then, script start complains i should use net, note wireless config file, and it fails with the same error
so i do
then, i see preferred_aps syntax is wrong for net
any ideas?

hello?
mygentoo is b0rken

i'm no pro, but you might as well explain your problem

gives me compile errors about "glib/…" not being found

Is this the case of a broken package or am I doing something wrong

with you include glib.h, what is the error
i.e. what do you mean "doesn't work"

"glib.h: No such file or directory"

it's not in your include path, then

sugoi_, yeah, it's not in /usr/include
sugoi_, but it *is* in glib-2.0/glib.h
sugoi_, I have glib installed; is there a special dev package or something I need to install?

you errors are compile errors

sugoi_, that's correct

i'm not sure how to state it for you to make it clear, but it has nothing to do with whatever package you've correctly or incorrectly installed
if the file is there, you can include it
whether it's empty or not

sugoi_, Yes I can include it

i thought you just said file not found

sugoi_, But that library has all sorts of incorrect includes

oh, well that different

sugoi_, I can include glib-2.0/glib.h
sugoi_, These files all came from gentoo packages

i don't dev with glib, but you can add include paths by using -I
this isn't a gentoo issue, it's your include path

sugoi_, no way, gentoo should set this kind of stuff up

haha

seriously

every application you build needs specialized include and library paths set
that's how gcc works
if i use qt, i have to specify qt includes and libs
that's just how it works

sugoi_, that's not the case with ffmpeg or SDL, for example

you must not have the USE=magic flag

the default include/lib paths are changes
ah ha!

with those libraries I can just do -lwhatever
and the include stuff is taken care of for me

is it impossible to run make menuconfig for the kernel while using screen and ssh? I got the error: Error opening terminal: screen.linux. when trying: make menuconfig

if it works with other libs, the libs are obviously in the default lib paths

works for me

works for me too
obviously, that doesn't help whatsoever

might need to su - instead of just su

and everything works, no mucking about with include paths needed

if you're being root

then the relative paths used by sdl comply with the default paths for gcc
this isn't really an argument
you just need to understand what i'm saying
or — i could explain it better i suppose

so how would I fix this?

learn what include/lib paths you need to add for a glib project
i, personally, don't do glib development, so i don't know them off hand

k
i think i get it now
thanks

do note, that if a lib was left out during an install, you'd see such errors
but that is really unlikely in this scenario

ahrg need help, upgraded kernel, iptables no longer works

come to think of it, when i do root actions in screen, root started that screen
i'm not sure how well screen handles wheels
would you agree?

anyone? lol

hola
has anyone had a problem compiling mplayer

yes, me on hardened 686

i use desktop profile
i have not checked the forums but i was wondering if it was common or specific

ok then you probably use gcc-4.*

yep

thanks folks, sorry for losing my head; it's late
night all

g'night

mine is 3.4.6

that means itsnot the compiler

yep; may be so; even disabling all the use flags, it still won't compile on my machine

i am lazy and masking the newer version it should compile but i havent tried

who do I contact to request an ebuild be marked as stable, and what are the "stable" requirements?

mzbot, teach fredden stable

No such faq

sugoi_, Triffid_Hunter… problem seems fixed. screen and my not knowing how to use it 100% was the issue

usually no reported bugs for 30 days

thanks friendly12345

creating a stable version bug entry after exactly this specific period of time is considered poor etiquette
fyi

hi

jron:

which java host package must be run in firefox?

tuna casarole!

blackdown doesn't working as plugin?

us sun jde
follow the guide
gentoo jave ibleo

whichever JRE you're using if it has the nsplugin USE flag, make sure it is enabled

nothing found

gentoo java ibleo

nothing found

gentoo ibleo java

nothing found

arrghh

mzbot, teach lbleo java

No such faq, did you mean one of 'java guide', 'java 1.5'?

has the syntax for mzbot changed

what's nsplugins, i mean firefox. sorry?

wiki lbleo java

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Java_and_Firefox

gentoo ibleo java gudie

nothing found

gentoo ibleo java guide

nothing found

thanks

you're welcome

i will look that, thanks

hes tryignt o get hosting with java support to work he needs the guide from the website

mzbot, gentoo lbleo java guide

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/java.xml

now?

no, you typoed the target nick all the time

aaah i instead od I

as well as other words several times

laptop keyboard
does anyone have SD card issues with ck-sources

script start fails saying i need to specify my essid in /etc/conf.d/wireless with preferred_aps
so i do
then, script start complains i should use net, note wireless config file, and it fails with the same error
so i do
then, i see preferred_aps syntax is wrong for net
any ideas?

hello all, i have a problem with layman, when i do layman -L, it gives me a error name or service not known!! plz help

are you using wpa_supplicant?

g'evening all

no

whats that?
wpa thing, i dunno

i have emerged blackdown-jre, but i try to execute 'eselect java-nsplugin list' result is nothing.

wp encryption garette
wpa

oh

and 'eselect java-nsplugin set blackdown-jre-1.4.2' command is error with 2 lines

me noob, plz dont mind i dunno that, shall i pastebin the error?

i'm in livecd mode, and mistakenly put 2 partitions on one mountpoint…now i can't get out of this mess…error message is always 'device is busy' what do i do?

wireles cna be a pain and i have found that wpa_supplicant works well i am not aware of the file you are talking about
tryt o kill the app that is using the partition

i have tried symbolic link to '/opt/netscape/plugins' dir, still same; firefox trying to beat me as plugin are needed.

davascript_home, hey check out the prob with my layman, me frustated, plz lol :0

davascript_home, there isn't app any that i know of

firefi dont use layman i am sorry

i just got into livecd

gui or minimal

still there?

davascript_home, what, why shouldn't i use layman?

no no i just dont use it

lol
room plz help, prob with layman..

how do i find out what apps the partitions are using? all i've got open are terminal and this xchat

mzbot, teach garette layman

No such faq

and i only opened the xchat cause i was stumped with this prob…lol

mzbot, teach sugoi_ wpa_suppliacant

No such faq

when i do layman -l it shows me an error, nameor resolution not find !!

i feel n00b

nsplugins in USE flags in make.conf as well, but still verbosing blackdown-jre returns -nsplugin (negative)

hi all having some strange issues with vmware (server and workstation) so i am guessing the issue may be with modules… both on my pc at home and the server at work when i start a virtuall machine up the entire box crashes… and i have just tried to reinstall vmware apache geronimo server hosting and modules and now am getting this : - !!! Missing digest for 'vmware-any-any-update109.tar.gz' any ideas!

mzbot, teach me gnome

GNOME is a free Unix and Linux desktop suite and development platform. GNOME focuses on freedom, usability, accessibility, internationalisation, developer-friendlyness, organisation, support and a big community. See http://www.gnome.org.

Ibleo have you followed th java guide

mzbot teach me evrything lol

us the sun jre

read upon page! what i have to write
lol

hello all just wanted to ask what all are the ways to d/l overlays except layman!!

i'll try to close this anyway…probably be back soon

yes i am read. can you read what i have wrote please

davascript_home, i just wanted to ask what all are the ways to download overlays other that layman!!
?
plz

i use dev-java/sun-jre-bin instead of blackdown

anyone knows a gtk theme that goes well with the compiz Emerald theme "Scaled Black Mod"?

i dont understand your questions
garette idk try the forums i am sorry i mainly do servers rather than desktop stuff

there's a howto on the net anyway for that… http://wiki.gentoo-xeffects.org/Overlay

Ibleo remove all java apps and start over from the guide
mzbot, gentoo Ibleo java guide

nothing found

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/java.xml

hello,i'm looking for a free emulator to run some distro I would like to test…
wich one do you advice ?

qemu

hello

ok I'm looking

select java-nsplugin list' no result

do you hae eix installed

_Pol_, vmware-player?

no, I need to install them… vmplayer doesn't create image, it only run them

run emerge eix && update-eix && eix hosting with java support | grep sun

try to emerge 'virtualbox'

_Pol_, ah ok

'virtualbox-bin' is better, no compile time

ok it looks nice
it's better then qemu ?

then if you liek compile hosting it
:P

hi havin a prb with an external hard drive of mine. I don't have prbs with other ntfs external hard drives was usin one earlier.

is there a graphical frontend to emerge? lol

sure, for use virtualbox is better than qemu, but i don't know about specifications

gremlin132, there are

kuroo

oh that thing
i heard it was crap

says in dmsg use option nls=utf8 when mounting but it won't let me umount it. device busy

and porthole (GTK client)

well gui and emerge are not coagulant

and unplug replug = autoremounted

there's a java based client too IIRC

make sure no user is on that mount point.

how do i execute a command and store its o/p in bash scripting?

or you can force umount with -l

store its o/p in a variable*

ahh thanks

hi
sb pls hlp
server ~ # getent passwd | grep adrigep
adrigep$:*:2004:515:Computer:/dev/null:/bin/false
server ~ # smbpasswd -m adrigep
Failed to find Unix account for adrigep$
Failed to set password for user adrigep$.

hehe

re
http://rafb.net/p/ih8tAY73.html

it's a kind of free vmware

how can i set a machine password_?
insamba?

smbpasswd ?

man smbpasswd
is adrigep a user on your system?

yes, virtualbox; it's alternative with opensource

it's 6 years that I'm in the Linux world and I never heard about it
crazy !

it's possible, i have using 3 years in, but i forget what i eat yesterday
lol

virtualbox has been released as GPL a few months ago, haven't heard of it before …
too many good apps out there

no but you know when you are everyday in open source world… you hear about alot of packages and names
but I never heard about it at all
never

can i scp to not overwrite ?

don't make bigger, it's opensource and i thank them for usualibity, that's all. Never knew anyone know all packages in the world.

in secure unix web hosting you learn something new every day

it will be psychopat walking if you try that

hi, how can i bracket emerging to one release, I am trying to refrain from updating to postgresql to version 8.2, so I want whatever newest 8.1 is there. I tried using * and just specifying 8.1 in package.keywords

lol

hmm see if mask will bracket out the new postgres packages

still need help about java browser plugins

never got those to work

where does the gnome session , store its startup programs?
the startup program settings
that I set

ugh, is there anyway to have scp NOT copy files if they exists already at destination?
i'd rather not write a script for this

just setup rsync

how can i give write access to a file

just for a one time copy?
seems overkill to me

for a specific group ?

hmm

no idea then

using gentoo on a nforce5
the LAN doesnt seem to be responding

Hi! Is it possible to extend the size of a partition (safe)?

yay masking worked

resize2fs ? yes

hiall

yes, in ldap

should i install gentoo-amd64 or gentoo for my amd64?

moolight, Thanks! I'll read on about it!

resize2fs will resize a filesystem on a partition.
He asked about resizing partitions.

take a look at '/usr/share/gnome/autostart' and '/home/munu/.gnome2/session'

The safest way that I can see is using parted (or gparted or qtparted, gparted being the more mature of the two)

is there a different in using gentooamd64 for 64bit amd machine
?

thanks :
(:
the close bracket doesnt work

Spider Pig!
Does whatever a Spider Pig does.
Can he swing - From a web?
Look Out!
He is a Spider Pig

close bracket?

anyone?

yeah on my keyboard

amd64 is good for amd64, yeah

I think the keyboard map is messed up
works on the terminals

:/

You might run into more things to-do to get Flash to work, if you want it.

using the same layout in both gnome and terminal?

is there a different?

hi, is there any emerge progress meter that already in portage so i just emerge and it works?

will i mess something later if I stick with gentoo for my amd64 ?

i would avoid trying dirty hack tips if possible

its nto really possible

? You can use the 32bit software no problem with your 64bit processor.

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-amd64-faq.xml

I'm a bit confused about what you're asking though, genewbie

i have to do "emerge -p –resume -v" and check Total: x packages … currently

does anybody have experience with sony laptops under linux? hassle free?

anyone know what all I need to get the kde automounting thing working? I have hald and dbus running, my user is in the plugdev group, I have a /media dir…

which is better, using gentoo-amd64 for my amd64 machine … or using gentoo 32 bit for my amd64 machine
?

It depends on how you define 'better'. 32bit is simpler to install and maintain if you use things like Adobe Flash, and other 32bit plugins.

paddle i am on a sony

i think amd64 is more trouble generally

i hear there is some trouble with closed source stuff like flash plugins and so on
a recent one? does everything work?

ic
so its okay if i stick with gentoo 32bit for my amd64

gentoo need s some conditioning yet everything works except acpi buttons and biometric scanners

?

they can work with configuration

acpi buttons? doesn't this work with acpid?

i havent tried
not necessary yet

a quick question if someone's awake, is there chkdsk included on minimal cd?

which model do you have? i had a closer look on vgn-fz15, but i don't find any good info on the net

vgn-bx561b
fz should work fine
less bells

hi

i used acpid to catch the acpi buttons from my samsung laptop, works great… for example when i close the lid, i can make it execute any script… or when i press the power button, it will suspend, and stuff like that

yes it's ok to install a 32bit os on a 64bit processor, currently.

fn keys can be tough thats what i mean

because i took a kubuntu cd with me, and it wouldn't even boot… it just exits to the busybox shell… don't know what's causing the trouble though

orkid, or its better to install the gentoo-amd64? im confused

Hi guys, quick one (2, actually). should users have /usr/sbin in their path by default?

try fedora for a binary install but if you want a real laptop use gentoo #gentoo-laptop

ok, thanks for the info. that was really great with my samsung… they do everything in hardware/bios - all the brightness / volume / mute stuff works without any software interaction

hi all. how can I mask a package from an overlay? for example xeffects offers an unmasked qt which has the same version of the portage ebuild but it's different

hmmm

orkid, ?

remove it from the overlay

hmmmm….

did you try the same way as with a nromal package?

brianw:

arturo_on_rails, depends on who uses the system, sbin tools can possibly break the system…. normal users have access to */bin root has access to */sbin, usually I just switch to root account for sbin access

ahh lol yea or brianw s idea is great

If it is the same version, the overlay is used instead of the one in portage. If you mask one version, you mask both…

brianw, sure. but next time I sync overlays I need to remove those ebuilds again

so is the chkdsk on the minimal install cd?

so exclude it from the sync…

thanks a lot. I forgot my second question!
probably not important. Thanks guys!
:P

brianw, but this overlay offers some ebuilds that I want to keep in sync

is english for we use LANG=en_EU
i want to use export LANG ..

what package is the bc command in?

how can i use for english languahe ?

brianw, for example xeffects offers ebuilds like compiz that I want but I'd like to exclude qt,cairo…

so exclude the dir's you do not want to sync..

brianw, how? where?

sys-devel/bc (/usr/bin/bc)
–exclude /path/to/dir for the rsync command.

brianw, thx

brianw, rsync?? most of overlays using svn (at least in my case)
brianw, and I use layman to keep overlays in sync

ok, man the svn app, I am sure there is a way to exclude certain files/dirs

so i'm trying to install gentoo on my laptop, but the live CD doesn't include drivers for my wireless card (intel 3945), and i'd prefer not having to plug my laptop in to my router for the duration of the install
how can i make this work?

well file a big for layman requesting the feature…
use a livecd that does work.

brianw, ok

any livecd can be used to install gentoo

i'll see if my knoppix CD has the drivers…

i'll also vote for that feature

I am surprised it does not already have it. Why would you want to have to use all of an overlay…

i was also surprised when i first needed such an option. i added some rm lines into my autosync-script which calls layman and emerge –sync… but this causes unnecessary downloads every time i sync

knoppix doesn't have the drivers either

backtrack does

all right, i'm downloading it
we'll see if it works or not in an hour

Soichiro, I had that problem, eventually I gave up, set up the system via a USB stick, the portage and stage 3, grub install, ipw3945 and ipw3945d, and vanilla-sources
was faster because I only have 512kbps

brianw, padde, http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=187214 I hope to have explained the problem well

help me pls
gentoo gnome lock screen does not work
adem@localhost ~ $ gnome-screensaver
arguments to dbus_connection_add_filter() were incorrect, assertion "connection != NULL" failed in file dbus-connection.c line 4954.
This is normally a bug in some application using the D-Bus library.
D-Bus not built with -rdynamic so unable to print a backtrace
Aborted
adem@localhost ~ $

please don't paste that much

ok
sory

rafb.net/paste , pastebin.ca etc.

ok

much easier for all involved

Do you have a idea abouth problem ?

looks like a dbus problem … but I'm not sure what happens there

hmm
my lock screen does not work
DrEeevil:

obviously
is dbus running?

Hi guys, does anybody have experience with cross-ompiling to ARM?

looking

as a compiz-fusion user now I d like to know if I'm the only one having a few bugs here and there … or if it is rather normal since its beta software?

http://rafb.net/p/O7kK8h52.html
look pls

that whole beryl/compiz/… thingy fails reliably for me, so I think it's normal
looks like it is running …

dbus running..

Santanabaer, thres a reason its called beta

yeah

did you upgrade anything in the last days?

ahh ok DrEeevil then we must wait and wait (apart the prob that now my glxgears has half as much FPS as before)

yes i upgrade it
emerge sync and emerge -u world
i was it ..

blame the vendors for not releasing sane drivers

:P
or our cards

ok, try running revdep-rebuild

ok

no, vendors get 100% of the blame
my ati card has no useful drivers, my nvidia card hsa no usable drivers
blame goes to the vendors

oh that suxx actually

oh well, nvidia doesn't think anyone uses 4G of RAM I guess

Dynamic linking on your system is consistent… All done.
DrEeevil:
done

what I meant with glxgears is that we ve been informed that now desktop rendering would be done 100 % by the card and not CPU anymore
I got 2 GB RAM ask me DrEeevil

hmm weird

back

oh well, I'll just wait until the nouveau drivers are usable

yeah I think so too

I want my ati to work properly (

it's my only hope
me too
there aren't even sane drivers for windows
ati really screwed up there

http://rafb.net/p/nZRHXh78.html
DrEeevil:

is there nobody that can tell me what LFB is?

look pls

or rather IBM hacked it too much
emerge wtf && wtf lfb ?

even the ppl in #ati can't tell me what lfb is
I doubt wtf knows it

ive upgraded my gtkmm and now ive lost lib-atkmm
any suggestions

context?

wait
dmesg
http://rafb.net/p/HhSEDm45.html
here

revdep-rebuild ?

i'll give it a shot.

lol mark_alec nice anagram of your nick

can i prevent this from installing particular apps again? i deliberately removed noatun, now it decides it wants it again

if it is a hard dependency then no

Can anyone off hand suggest what part of the system I need to poke to have it *not* automatically run /etc/init.d/net.eth0 on a module being loaded?

/etc/conf.d/rc
RC_PLUG_SERVICES="!net.*"
add that

Ah

where does the gnome session , store its startup programs?
where does the gnome session , store its startup program settings , that I set through the sessions UI?
uh sorry about the repaste

I was grubbing around in /etc/udev wondering wtf. I wouldn't have thought of rc. Thanks

it is very unexpected … took me some cursing to extract that data

It _is_ rather buried in there …
(I'm working around something stupid that NetworkManager does - if there is a wired ethernet device and nm starts coming up, then it'll assign the "default" IP address to that eth0 device if nothing is plugged into it.
Which is retarded. There's nothing plugged into it!

hehe, why use NM and other such tools …

So I've arranged things so that I have the eth0 providing module unloaded if I'm going to rc wireless)
oh you know the answer to that one. In a modern roaming environment, having the GUI support to find a suitable access point can be really handy.

I think there are cleaner methods of doing things
eh, GUI is overrated

/etc/conf.d/wireless sometimes works, and sometimes just gets in the way

heho, KDE's Kontact-application seems to crash on a more or less regular basis, does anybody have a clue? (stacktrace here: http://pastebin.com/m729b9e79) btw, it seems to appear when accessing a webdav storage (tho sometimes everything runs fine)

We had a good conversation about it last week at GUADEC though. I sensed that a lot of people were pissed at the same things, and it sounds like the guys who work on it are going to give it a bit of a kick in the ass this cycle or next.

mind the language please
also, go fix the fileselector

ping

my ps2 mouse doesnt work .. i need some help this is the output http://pastebin.com/m280efb5e

hello guys

hi
all
how can i change hostname ?
i change hosts but
my computer when restart so it s be localhost

I'm having problems booting off the minimal install cd.. seems to fail on the cd.. I had the same problem with ubuntu until I used an alterntive cd image any ideas what this might be

justanotherweb, try burning the image at a slower speed and DAO

I don't think this is the issue
I think this something to do with loader being incompatible
the pc is a mini itx
via model

if it is a C3 it is _not_ i686

ok
I've had a quick look
but I'm not sure which image to download

x86

thats the one i tried

hmm so if i wanted to say run gksudo when i hit winkey r how would one do that?

I have ubuntu on that machine with a network connection
can I install gentoo off the web?

you can do a network installation
which is the most used

thanks

justanotherweb, you need the cd to at least boot to do the network install though
or at least another cd like a knoppix disc if not that one

anyone know what kind of encryption this looks like? 69m357y2tbfr0i0TPqDy4g==

lol
apparently the good kind, cos i have no bloody clue what that means

misc–: base64 encoding maybe

hehe… I've seen it before… but I need to know what it is now. Once I know then I can create them and put them in the database as the same format as the rest of them
md5 base64 ?

misc–: how would I know what data it is …
just looks like base64 as it is all valid ascii characters

the == at the end is always the same with all encrypted strings

delimiter
tells you end of string

ahh I see
you are right then. 10 points to you. Taking the == off, it actually does look like an md5 base64 string

www.utopianegra.com , plese opini�n about de web.

this be commercial-free zone

hi all

hey

the usual suspects

i've made an nfs image, removed eth0 from rc but he still trys to start net.eth0 at boot, how i can remove this ?
set already config_eth0=("null")

RC_PLUG_SERVICES="!net.*" in /etc/conf.d/rc

did you try to remove net.eth0 from runlevel ?

yes
is removed

doesn't help, udev is too smart

lol

automagic stuff is stupid
what I said a minute ago

smartness of pcs suxx sometime

no, assumptions

it's a quest for me ^^

you assume that I move in a certain way

hehe DrEeevil

if I don't I have to take a knife and stab you

you have an evil Fantasy

e.g. assuming I use a "My Documents" directory for my data
no, I have a short temper

lol

so DrEeevil do i need to write an udev rule or something like this ?

I hate repeating myself
RC_PLUG_SERVICES="!net.*" in /etc/conf.d/rc
there, I repeated myself.

ah
DrEeevil is like a glossar knows everything
thanks

hehe
I just hit the usual bugs before others

brianw, padde, for the overlay problem… adding /usr/portage in PORT_OVERLAY (make.conf) give official portage higher priority over the layman overlays

would you maybe know something regarding emerald? somehow I was so smart to switch between the different window themes until it broke lol and now I dont have any window contours what can I do ? (re-emerging emerald and emerald-themes not working)
would you maybe know something regarding emerald? somehow I was so smart to switch between the different window themes until it broke lol and now I dont have any window contours what can I do ? (re-emerging emerald and emerald-themes not working)

I have roughly the same issue, thus I use kwin now

hey, can anyone help with a package blocking issue?

I gave up on all that fancy eyecandy while graphics drivers are silly
who blocks what?

kwin is completly crap for me … shows nothing but a mouse and my desktop background

[blocks B ] =kde-base/kdesu-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdesu-3.5.5)

monolithic or split kde?

ahh yeah DrEeevil I completly understand that I should have known that

i just ran emerge kuroo (for package browsing) and it installed some basic KDE stuff, im using gnome

hmm, fun

USE="-kde" emerge kuroo ?

won't work

he should put it rather in make.conf

looks like portage gets confused by the dependencies there … doesn't make sense

oh DrEeevil

hmm

feels

won't change a thing

oh, fair enough
not sure how to fix it

|| ( kde-base/kdesu kde-base/kdebase ) — from the kuroo ebuild
it wants either one of those installed … not sure how it would fail for you there

whatdya mean?
oh

as long you dont have 736 packages opn gentoo like me

haha
so.. remove kdesu, install kdebase?
or just install kdebase?

that would take eternities

well.. its already installed them just before

it doesn't make sense

i dont know why it did it

which one of those is installed?

both
im pretty sure

uhm

O.o

I don't want to know how you did that

if i run emerge –pretend blah
it shows…
[blocks B ] =kde-base/kdesu-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdesu-3.5.5)

it shows both as blockers

that

but if you look above, which one has N and which one has R there?

hi guys

hi cosmin

I just erased my user from all groups
how can I undo that?

they are all N and one is NS

hi, Santanabaer

try "emerge kdesu", then emerge kuroo

how can i disable grub image ?
help me pls

look in /boot/grub/grub.conf

or, at least, where can I find a list of all common groups for regular users?

should be "splashimage /foo/bar/baz" or something similar

compiling kdesu *yawns*

look at man gpasswd

ok

you can easily add the groups back to a user

now emerging kuroo again

I know how to add them… I just don't know which ones there were before

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=11

thanks a bunch

np

still blocking

can you pastebin emerge –info ?

ok back to enjoy "Beetlejuice - the film"

alright
http://pastebin.com/m78307269

ok done..
i have a question , i need gnome mausetheme
i dont it s name ,
is there know ?

should have set -j higher :@

lol, me haves -j3

number of cpus + 1
if you set it higher than rated, you could wait even longer

any idea whats wrong from that?

hello

hi ArdenS

looks sane, I suggest filing a bug on bugs.gentoo.org

alright

revdep didnt fix my problem

which ?

any way i can fix it? cause uh.. i cant emerge anything

broken /usr/local/lib/libflowcanvas.la (requires /usr/lib/libatkmm-1.6.la)

"anything" ?

well.. the thing i want to emerge anyway

libatkmm-1.6.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

for which package ?

something i compiled separately

you have to recompile that

hm
the lib is gone though

yes, it got updated

well it happened to me that revdep didnt recognize sometime all dependencies

thus you have to recompile it

no, the lib has -gone-
completely

ah, sucks

what do you need that lib for ?

im not sure. its needed for compiling something i downloaded

there must be something you want to execute

quickfix for this at all? lol

lollercopter

localnet * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0

your message usually comes when you start something .. thats why I ask

i want them to not block no more

how does route know what localnet is ??
i have that line in my route

Hi, if there is something in debian source package, is there anyway i can install it?

why dont you emerge -s it ?
usually there is an equivalent for every package on other distros too

do you think they have wildmagic 3?

let me look
ok first seach failed
now seaching in description too

okay i found out that localnet = 192.168.1.0 using route -v -n
but from where does it gets that network name ?

i found

nope.

1 sec

recompiling.

unless there is a ebuild somewhere on the web

you re right
portage aint got it
you might have to install it manually it you find it
look onto their main website if you know it …

when i restart computer my audio does not work so i was start alsaconf it s can work ..
how can i run auto alsa

full name is Wild Magic Real-Time 3D Graphics Engine, version 3, not version 4. actually, im installing yade using that library

do you have alsasound on runlevel boot ?

i wan to make my computer when restart so alsa auto start
np
no

add it

how can i do it ?

usually, the solution is 'rc-update add alsasound boot'

rc-update add alsasound boot
damn koollman was faster

Ho do I emerge gimp 9999?

dont steal my clients

carefully ?

I tested it
its finew

koollman, What do I add to package.keywords?

1 sec

I think it's completely masked

i want to down always eth0 , and eth1 up .. how can i do it
eth0 down and eth1 up

it is masked by missing keyword

always
for example computer when restart eth0 down and eth1 up

Santanabaer, So what do I add to which files?

1 sec Daemonik

Hi all
I've usex xmmx for a long time, but now I want to try something new
some suggestions for a media player?

amarok, mpd

-kde -qt

bah ill just unmerge kdesu

listen

merethan, amarok and mpd build a database of all your music, which you can search quickly etc.
merethan, mpd doesn't have a gui by itself
merethan, you can get various clients for its
it*

so does (gnome) listen

I don't like databases and stuff

aha

oh you will

everybody says that
until they get used to it

just load a directory or more with files and play it

just like linux

i love amarok xD
im actually emerging it now.. lol

The problem is with databses that they get outdated

what?

My filesystem is in fact the database

what do you mean by getting outdated

in amarok you just go "update collection"
and off it goes

why do I want a client to make one another?

they update automaticly

merethan, you can't really search quickly if you don't use a real database like that …
in your media player that is
in amarok, just type any word and you get the artist, albums, tracks, whatever with that word in it
without any waiting

DuClare, I have a brain, I know where my files are

merethan, you're not getting me

its the ease of use
and the convenience

yeah, it's so quick to do it in the media player, just like that, instead of browsing any single folder.

btw, if you want a replacement for xmms, try audacious
although that experience made me swtich to (gnome) listen

lol
dunno why, i prefer gnome over kde

Hey ya'll.. I just updated my nvidia-drivers to latest.. and I'm getting a kernel module mismatch! I thought the nvidia-drivers was the kernel module AND the glx module? I've tried revdep-rebuilding the package, no change. anyone got any suggestions?

kde seems so cluttered

I use xfce4

different gcc by chance?

used to use kde.. just because I wanted to explore, I gave xfce4 a try … fell in love at first sight and haven't gone back since.

i havent tried xfce4

isn't it dramatic story? 3

oh yes, very
like a chick flick

Same gcc. Im getting version mismatch on the kernel module and glx module from starting X11 o

exaile is a gtk 'port' of amarok

lol, "port"

can anyone give me a very very basic iptables config that blocks all incoming TCP except ssh? The examples I have found on the gentoo-wiki blocks everything

having fast mouse acceleration makes your PC look fast

wish I could disable mouse acceleration
ah well, I think I can

lol

but I'd also like to alter mouse sensitivity .. no clue how to do that

im used to it

somewhere is X config

I'm a gamer… need to do tracking
plus I do draw with mouse

logitech mouses seem to be really sensitive.. dont know why

a consistent sensitivity is IMO very important in any kind of tracking
gremlin133, high DPI

although… in gnome.. you can use the mouse prefferences menu

yah

xset m 1 1

I have just installed quake4-demo
and I can't play it
because of user rights

lolz

the files are in mode 750 root:games

you need to be in the group games

I added my user as being part of the games group

try 777 lol
rwx for all!

and still, cannot access it

stray_, that doesn't change sensitivity
acceleration is not sensitivity

chmod -R 777 gamefolder

i remember i had that problem too once…

that's just dumb

no clue how i fixed that though

how on earth would you think it's safe to do that?

its just a game..

indeed

makes it world read write execute, so what, only a game
lol
not like its your drive root =P

but I'm not asking about the game

its more about the 'i dont care' factor

!paste

http://slexy.org/

found a site
http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m4c6bf223
I can't connect to my freenx server

why did you paste that as a download…
i don't need random text files on my compy haha

hello

hi

i've one problem
on fedora 7
gcc
is not working

http://pastebin.ca/664944

i think that's too vague buddy

what is it doing wrong?

http://pastebin.com/m4c6bf223

missing library

sounds like you need to install a library

http://pastebin.com/m4c6bf223

nada
?

brohken-work, I'm not seeing the problem I had in your dmesg

hrm so what do i do from here?

do you know what audio chipset your computer uses?

cane i think so hold on

Yes… and?

http://masterdownhillgames.blogspot.com/
neato

Just wondering here what 3d desktop effects manager is better for an ati card (its a x7000) beryl or this new compiz fusion?

where can i find "hows-to", to see which is my wireless card on laptop and how can i install it

does anybody have any reason why i shouldn't run fedora core on an opteron 1212 "workstation" — to be used mostly for apache and tomcat server developmen/production
i.e. java and core stuff available w/ fedora
as opposed to on a core 2 duo or xeon system
(i'm doing a last minute sanity check before purchasing a cheap opteron 1212 system for this purpose)

npm, i think theres no problem using it.

it depends heavily on the scale of your project and such

i'd want to use the 64 bit fedora, and 64 bit java

Robocop101; use Beryl until Fedora releases Compiz Fusion packages

i mostly want to focus on my application problems, and not on system problems
i want it to run reasonably fast
if it gets slashdotted, so be it…
:-)

npm; i wouldn't think so. Fedora 7 x64 is unstable compared to 32-bit but if you require x64 support it should work (uh… less the mention of amount of hassle)
it should work

82801H ICH8 intel

sorry

downhill……..thanks……..any ideas when that might be?

ah, so that's what i wanted to hear…

Robocop101; i hope soon ^_^ no idea on a set date but more than likely "when it gets more stable" hehe
npm; lemme sum it up easy… get it working and stop messing with it

downhill…….i know whay you mean there………kept crashing on suse 110.2

opsec; do you use Fedora 7 x64?

so in other words, get a core 2 duo and be "conservative"

yes

in other words, buy whatevertheheck hardware you want and install Fedora 7 x64

brb .. busy

then again, how's the 64 bit suport for c2d?

c2d's aren't supported as well as AMD afaik

i basically want to run a 64 bit system, assuming it's ready

core2duo's work fine.

oh then the quad-cores dont
npm; why are you needing x64? for the development software that's x64 or you just want to use a x64 OS?
the latter is the dumbest and most pointless reason ever

and w/r/t opteron being unstable, is that for high parallelism as opposed to a single two core processor (i.e. opteron 1212)

w/r/t?

i want to run x64 OS, because i can now do it
or at least, i thought i could

npm; you won't see any gain

npm, bad reason

depends on how many items or floats or reals you plan to work withj

"Why did you do it" "Because I could"
:P

that's been the reason for doing lots of interesting thigs.
i think it would help for what i need… and what i might write… but i need a machine first

well the machine doesn't matter so much in relation to the OS
every cpu (mainstream) does x64
you need to think about what you're writing and pick your parts
either way, unless some special need is there, we'd all suggest 32-bit for *any* OS

gotta get the parts first nielsmayer.com is down and i need a new server
as in smoking motherboard chip

except opsec because he's leet
nope
i use 4GB of ram in 32-bit using kernel-PAE
it's a 32-bit kernel with x64 memory extensions

for athlon?

i have an opteron behind me (opy 165) and this is an Athlon X2

http://rafb.net/p/KaHao875.html I get this error when I try to connect to freenx

oh wait, opteron 165 is upstairs. my bad
dual cpu p3 is behind me

yeah, I suppose you need to go over 4GB to worry about addressing space. Or do you… will have to look at that again.

like i said, CPU doesn't matter so much with the OS as it does with the software you are using (development stuff, etc)

so would you not recommend getting cheap opteron 1212 workstation for this purpose

i would recommend

2ond gen opteron

knock yourself out
i wouldn't recommend a x64 OS "just because"

but would it run x64?

……
www.google.com "what is a cpu"

Has anyone here had trouble with when powering down Xorg, waves of intensely bright white light enveloping their laptop screen?

i'm not planning on using many drivers or other special rpms

on an x86_64 laptop

i don't need back-compatibility
i'm only interested in forward-compat

npm; where did i lose you?

because I have some probs with that
this is on fc7

"just becuse" is about all i feel like talking about, my reasons for doing that are sound and a "goal"

i had 3… returned 2 and sold the last one..
can't stand 'em

DoYouKnow… Xorg has a special "i just saw god" mode built in…. actually, it's usually when sync frequencies go wrong for the LCD

Which usually means he has no idea but some other skate kid told him it was "kewl".

Wow. Tension

mwilson; "dude, i'm running x64!…" "…hey, why isn't my mouse working right? hey why does my display flicker now and then? hey, why won't this app run? hey, why can't i get flash to install?…" etc etc

Yeah, and like that.

downhillgames, i was using cpu's since you were sperm … chill

and that's not just Fedora, i mean that's XP x64, most Linux, everthing
npm; how old are you?
and watch t3h references mr. leet

npm, lol

Ooooh, he was using "CPUs".

haha

i remember 6502 assembly language

hahaha

i remember /kick
wait, i'm not an opper :/

i am

indeed you are

boy of your chill
both
both of you chill

full moon tonight?

Yaaarr!!! all of your computers belong to me!!

kc8hfi, aah. Yaar?

yeah… all's i wanted to know is if i'd be wasting huge amounts of time getting fedora running as a java server hosting on an opteron 1212 "workstation" class system
or if i should go "intel"

umm yeah, figured it help break the tension

with the assumption that i want to run fedora core in x64

npm, fedora as server is not that good idea. try redhat/centos have long life cycle

i'm already running t
it
it's fine for this purpose

then why fedora considering the fact that it will EOL much earlier than a redhat product that means you will not get any updates for it

npm due to fedora release lifespan of 13 months it is not recommended for production

this isn't "production"
i just need it to work
:-)

npm what do you need to work

ooh, if I had a dollar..

if it ever becomes production, then it would be nice to go to an 8 way opteron
in a rackmount
and know that it has a chance of scaling
thus the interest in a low end opteron right now just to get my feet wet

and then you should have it running on the same platform so you won't have to downgrade some software and suffer incompatibility
but, installing x86_64 fedora isn't that big a deal, just do it.

sweet
on opteron ??

why no?
not..

i wouldn't expect there to be a "not" but that's why i'm asking — to avoid any surprises that come up when the nonrefundable box is sitting on my doorstep
of course, i could always wuss out and install x32 w/ EMS

it's hard to say if here will be any specific hardware issues with your box though

Was anyone else taking bets on how long before he threw the trollbait in?

well thanks for everybvody's advice
yeah… there's always that… they claim it runs redhat linux and it's standard hardware…

what now?

I fail to see how installing one or the other leads to "wussing out", but that's your problem.

npm; i'm not sure if you know but _most_ haardware is supported in Linux.
hardware*

npm just about any system you get today is going to support both 32 and 64 bits anyway.. if you want to "just get your feet wet" the opteron should be fine, just make sure the cpu supports 64 bits and the motherboard's chipsets are supported under linux

What does runnning x64 on it do for you that x32 does not?

because i want to have a 64 bit system — pure 64 no 32 at all

nforce chipsets are very compatible

Ah. No reason at all, then.

excellent

no, just look at how much i've spent with you over the last 6 months.. at least $50K a month.. i want this looked into and i want an answer by friday.
i'm tired of waiting around
bah

??
hey, i'll take that job!
opsec
:-)

Anyone else get a bunch of missing files in the latest development build (8-20)?

Latest development build of…?

fedora

DoYouKnow, thats why they call it "development"
mwilson, i take it he is palying in rawhide

yeah, rawhide
it's not the test 1 build, a newer one than that

rpm -e –nodeps profanity

DoYouKnow, thats why they call it "development" it is borked at times
DoYouKnow, that would be part of the test2 build

DoYouKnow, subscribe yourself to fedora-devel ML a build report is send every once in a while it also tells what missing deps are there and what new packages are build.

ok cool

You know he won't do it.

downhillgames, TeeHee

^_~

you all ever suspect that less people know how to use Windows than Linux?

no.

yes
really know how to use windows

let me re-phrase: cannot parse

VileGent, just a feeling i get when i see the systrays of random people

oh how effiecent/well they use Windows as a whole (percentage) versus linux hosting in the same?

the design of windows is such that people know less on how to use it

pembo13_com, just the desktop will tell you that

downhillgames, no even a percentage, as magnitude
VileGent, exactly

eh, idk

openbysource, time will tell whether this is ultimately good or bad

VileGent; ever get a chance to view webbalert?

time had told this very long time ago it's upon the users to understand that. some people had had realized that and others are still not finding it

"Use Windows" is a nonsense statement, just like "use LInux" is. People use *applications*.

indeed

openbysource, was thinking larger, in terms of growth of society

mwilson, agreed

mwilson, fair enough… bad phrasing…. hope the idea was understandable

doh, it's late

pembo13_com, usage behaviour patterns have various different reasons
pembo13_com, beeing used to is just one of them
pembo13_com, looking for certain functionality covering use cases another one.

che, well i'd like to think usage patterns tell some story

pembo13_com, they do tell more than one story.

where are the launchers for gnome-panel stored (files)

Probably somewhere in the Registry.

that's tricky. what do you want to do with them?

pembo13_com, i also do use the notification area in other ways than specified by the hig since i am actually looking for certain functionality covering my use cases ;

AndyCap; if you mean the .xml files… anyway… i want to remove a few

pembo13_com, that has nothing to do with beeing used to windows since i do use exclusively linux based desktops (currently i have around 18 different sessions available in gdm) since over 10 years.

che, that would tell a general story of understanding of how the applications work

I think you're supposed to use gconf-tool etc for that

k
ty

but what do you really want to do?

pembo13_com, just be careful what you are trying to read between the lines

che… i think the prob here is i said what i had in mine way too tersely

something that sabayon etc could help with?

che, fair enough… i'm waiting for cases where i am wrong

AndyCap, mwilson /apps/panel/objects/object_###/

pembo13_com, statistics e.g. can be right but still show a wrong picture

downhillgames, nope

pembo13_com, good analogy i think

che, true true

i'm looking right at it, VileGent

sooo, cups is running and my printer WAS working the other day

mot, ok

now i simply get "error when printing" when trying to print from an openoffice document.
any troubleshooting suggestions?
it has never really done this before :O

mot, try testing the printer from cups, http://localhost:631/

VileGent; ../../general/object_id_list

wow, i never knew about that interface

but i need the list to see which is which anyway.

it prints a test page just fine. it looks like open office is just being a whore

mot, well that's the "read" one

interesting…
pembo13_com, what do you mean?

mot, well that twas the first step
mot, well any other way you've added a printer are new interfaces i believe

hmm
ah now it works
nevermind i see what it was - i forgot to select the printer when trying to print, it was unhighlighted

mot, haha.. cookl
cool*

how do i turn OFF selinux stuff?

system-config-secureitylevel

Can anyone help me figure out how to get my soundcard working in fc7?

logankoester; what card is it?

downhillgames, "82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller"

that was from lspci, right?

yeah

are you in gnome?

yep

are you trying to use S/PDIF?

not sure what that is

what doesn't work?

Well, I hear no audio during the gnome sound test

Preferences and check everything

then look through the tabs and make sure it's set up proper.

yeah, the volume is up

look at the other tabs, too

is there anyone that uses a webcam with linux?
if sohow the hell did you do it.

snarkster; language

i woulda thunk the drivers were included in such a strong distro
language?
did i say something dirty?

It's using the device HDA Intel (Alsa Mixer), the other option is Conextant … OSS Mixer

for what webcam?

qucikcam
quickcam
logitecj quickcam
h

have you guys seen this already?? http://meraki.com/products/

snarkster; i googled for a driver list and saw them for the quickcam… it's not working with gphoto2?

i use kde.. but ill try gphoto let me install that
hmm gphoto doesnt show up

ah gphoto is for gnome, yeah

I'm going to try rebooting, be right back

is it possible to tell yum to install an intemediate version of a package?

i'm told (application-wise) "if gphoto can't pick it up, nothing will"

i.e. i have version 1 installed, the latest is 3 but i want to install 2?

logankoester; won't make a difference
logankoester; mess with the options ….should work

ok i just did yum install gphoto and got nothing to do, must already be installed or not the right name

VileGent, I almost have to Broadcom 4311 working on F7 amd 64… almost

its not installed

i don't have that card but you won't break anything by playing with the boxes and sliders, logankoester

i installed xawtv thinking that will get the camera to work.. nope it just errors out.

downhillgames, i don't think gphoto is tied to Gnome

oh really?

downhillgames, yes

yeah, I spent days trying to get my almost working 4318 work fully on fc7 to no avail

snarkster, what's the model?

couldn't associate with an access point

i dont actually have that information.. its just a ball

snarkster, webcam or digicam?

webcam

snarkster, ah.. well, usb?

yes

snarkster, plug it in and run lsusb

im reading a little bitty tag on the cord

snarkster, ignore that
snarkster, just plug it in and run lusb

DoYouKnow, this is what I used

ID 046d:d001 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Pro

snarkster, ah.. that should work
snarkster, you have the info… google will give you the detauls

thank you

details.. not currently in a position to assist with details

http://www.crashcourse.ca/wiki/index.php/Broadcom_wireless_on_Fedora D
DoYouKnow, did you get that link?

so, where can one get f7 on CD for free,or is that possible?
Itried the downloading thing, and it didn't work…

kate's my usual text editor but it doesn't seem to be able to do search-and-replace over line breaks. what can?

you can remove the line breaks from a section of a file with kate
select the lines, then tools-join lines

i want to do something a bit more high tech than that though, with regular expressions
huge long file

sed?

tried sed. it only seems to work on single lines too

you need the multiline modifier
i believe

oh i checked the manual and didn't see that…
i think i'm getting there with vim now though…

I will continue to work on this wireless thing DoYouKnow maybe I will get it some how

that might work, too

stupid question.. almost everthing says 2.2.4 kernel, am i going to have trouble compiling on 2.2.6
i mean 2.4 and 2.6

snarkster, that means those programs are ancient and proable abandoned programd
snarkster, that means those programs are ancient and proable abandoned programs

no, unless you dokumentitsomething high�ly kernel specific things
argh

great.

i must be doing something wrong, because vim has just eaten a gig of swap and 700 megs of memory
ah, it's done. it did 7662 substitutions on 1 line, it says. i'll be refining that command i think…

this compiling a driver to use is getting old.
nothing but errors all the time

Anyone know where to find the "select a wireless network" dialogue is in gnome?

,k
logankoester, service NetworkManager start
logankoester, then look in the notification area
good night now

find a newer one

what ever happened to "it just works"
i need to buya newer camera..

what driver are you compiling

any suggestions

oh geez

thanks che

nw802-2.4-0.0.99

my canons always worked for me
or is this a webcam

webcam

logitech

yes
never any problems with the still camera
i just read where mandriva is putting webcam support in there "cooker" and adding to the distro

run mandriva then

um no

Whatever "webcam support" is even supposed to mean… like there's only one video chipset in the entire world or something.

thanks but im fine.. ill just buy a newer camera, is there a supported hardware list somewhere.

snarkster, a hardware support list for a distro that has new releases every 13 months
that would be a very fluid list

true

snarkster, that is what i am hopng the smolt data will be used for

smolt data?

yes
when you install f7 it asks you to submit a smolt profile

ah well then you guys already got my smolt profile then..
i just installed smolt on me fc6 box.. no man entry so how do you use it?

qbik.ch is a place to start if you're looking for usb devices. but don't take it to be the be-all-end-all hardware lit
list.

smoltSendProfile

i'm using k3b to rip a DVD to my hard drive and the progress bar in the ripping dialog doesn't seem to be updating
is this expected behavior or can I configure it to work somehow?

hello alls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hmm k3b does that somtimes.. the progress bars are difficult

ghosTM55, shhhh some people are trying to sleep in here

i was wondering if i needed to configure transcode to have more verbose output or something along those lines

shrug

thanks anyway

yup

i suggest you dont use k3b to rip dvd's
especially CSS'ed DVD's

in favor of?

mplayer/mencoder

yup

what's better about it?

you know the animals in my home are strange.. the love popcorn.. even the cats

ANY ANY way to have Nvidia driver support for Fedora 7 XEN kernel ?

i didnt find one

m0dY, i dont see a nvidia-xen on livna repo

yes, no one yet built a working driver

what card do you use mutk

Intel.
965 for the laptop.

i tried using a dual head matrox card.. the open source drivers dont support dual heads on those cards.

the Intel x3xxx series is promising and their policy on drivers is great

I have a Radeon X300 and a 9200 pro for desktop. I use the radeon driver .
That supports dual head
bobcb, Yep.

problems is nvidia driver is closed source yes

yah but ati just sucks

That is why I advocate them.

i'm not mad in love with the nvidia driver, but it does dual head nicely and gives

nouveux driver is not bad, i just havent a card that it works with.

me some headroom for games

true
i like having opengl available

gotta' get my quake III/IV on
=-)

arena or single player

both, not as much as i used to though

when I try to connect using freenx, it says that my freenx client version is different than the server
so I continue (disabling ssh) and it doesn't work

i just got homeworld to install yesturday but talk about slow..

yea, the nwn install is a beast as well

Ok, so I was messing around with the display to try and get it to display properly, and now it's stuck and 800×600. I try changing it, and then, I restart, and the first two times, the GUI start-up doesn't work, and I can't get x running, and then the third time, the GUI start-ups back and it's back in 800×600. Will installing the nvidea driver change this? And are there any other ways? I've tried changing the moniter typ e t
o about 5 of the options available, but it always follows this same pattern. the command is system-config-display by the way.

nwn?

Neverwinter Nights, nice Linux client, but they did very little work on the installer

hmm have you tried editing the xorg.conf file by hand?

http://rafb.net/p/S0jzaG21.html

NWN is the only online game i've ever really tried

oh yah.. never played it

with a little teamspeak NWN multiplayer is good fun

i avoided evercrack and WoW

hmm linux has team speak
i didnt know that

played wow for 6 months, that was enough for me.

never played that either.. looked stupid with all that dancing and stuff

yea, nwn teamspeak client is pretty similair to windows
version, works pretty well

im current playing Anarchy Online.. its not bad
really dog slow on linux.
i dragged the install from my sons computer over to this one and run it with wine, there is no linux hosting client

One more try.

i have yet to try and game with wine, although i have some nwn
commercial moudles with windows installers, so i should try it just to get
the module files from the install dir

i'm tempted to try Photoshop 7 under wine

i think it works
alot of stuff works just fine.. Diablo 2 runs like a dream

why not just GimpShop?

i prefer gimp

i have gimp already
but it's a bit of an adjustment curve
so i am thinking i might try easing into it

have you seen GimpShop, basically makes it act like PS7 in many respects

i have gimpshop already
but that just does the menu system, not really the tools so much on the left
unless i'm missing something in my sight

ahh, okay
didn't realize it was that generalized

no problem
i won't bother trying Illustrator under wine, i'll just dive into inkscape
haven't ever played in Illustrator too much to have to adjust a lot anyway

extracting the AO Installer right now to try and install AO under wine

A couple days ago, the drivemount applet crashed. When it asked me if I wanted to restart it, I said no. Now it isn't showing on the gnome panel anymore, even after restarting, and when I try to add it again, nothing happens.
How can I get it to show up/work again?

how can i send a smb message to a windows computer?

look at sodi podi too

yea, sodi is impressive with it's toolset
onexused, aer you on a laptop?

no

later

there is an old bug where drive-mount reloads but the icon disappears

is there anything I can do about that? I'm pretty sure I have the latest updates.

if you right click over the spot where the applet used to be do you get
a context menu?

just the add to panel… one that I get on the rest of the panel
oh, wait, no
I was clicking the wrong place. Yes, I do get a context menu.

is it still there, just no icon?

ivazquez; ping

yes.

someone in #centos right now?

remove it from the panel and readd it?

do me a favor and ask for an op in centos and give me his nick .. i haven't even really been on irc all day and for some reason i'm banned in there?

tw2113; illustrator is fricking awesome

nope : \

opsec; sure

onexused, you can't remove it or it isn't there?
or it doesn't show up when you add it back?

opsec; take off your PM blocking bs, please.

sorry. doesn't show up after I try to re-add it.

give me the nick, i'll add them

i was _trying_ to

/noitce

notice is overrated

downhillgames added to list.

onex, weird, i'd check bugzilla and see if anyone has run into this
if not, file it

ok

in my old client i could list what bans were currently active on the channel. can i do this with X-Chat
brb

i'm banned for sure
but i was in there earlier and i haven't spoken in there for weeks
my client disconnected .. now i'm banned

opsec huh??

i'm banned in #centos for some reason

downhillgames, yes
whose wheaties did you piss in now

i was in there earlier today, however i haven't spoken on irc nearly all day and in there for at least 2 weeks

i'm out, night all

I have a question about centos, too, if someone is willing to answer it.

i don't have a centos question
those belong in #centos

I misunderstood what you said earlier.

Pong.

hey guys
can you help me get my sound working on my thinkpad?

ivazquez; hiya. PM ok?

Sure.

can someone help me get my sound working… i am not really sure what to do :T
bcan someone help me get my sound working… i am not really sure what to do :T/b

brohken-work: model?

First, try the resources in the channel topic.

brohken; if it helps, i'm a noobstar
don't worry about knowing everything hehe

how do i install the kmod nvidia driver? yum gives me a conflict error

that's impossible
instead only try to realize the truth… there is no spoon

pmhaddad; deep
stealth_vader; livna?

downhillgames, oh i know

yum install kmod-nvidia

stealth_vader, what is the package that it says the driver conflicts with?

um lemme look
pmhaddad JohnMahowald http://rafb.net/p/VwHDSK15.html

that's not a conflict

then what do i do?

yum install kernel.i686

what do i have now then??

uname -r
type that in the terminal, it will tell you

yum -d 0 list kernel

[root@lithium mike]# yum install kernel.i686
Setting up Install Process
Parsing package install arguments
Nothing to do

d'oh i missed out on this one… i curse you dial up!!

whoa

yum update

stealth_vader; please don't paste in the channel

that was only 4 lines

failed, how do I fix this?

true
stealth_vader; you'd be surprised how many people _don't_ read that

so what do i do now?
it says nothing to do

what say nothing to do
yum -d 0 list kernel

yum update

No Packages marked for Update/Obsoletion

pmhaddad, let him answer that question first

si si

http://rafb.net/p/l4ptxu62.html
allahu snackbar

stealth_vader, boot into the newer kernel

4 EDT 2007 i686 athlon i386
i am

t61

VileGent; would exclude work here? probably not, eh? give the same msg…

i am

stealth_vader, yum clean all

done
now what
http://rafb.net/p/fNG8Qu97.html

repo info stealth_vader ?

Im having problems witha new printer………..i can see iton the USB port…..but it wont do anything…..tells me it is not cobfigured….and Im lost as to what I needd to do……..trying adding the printer (a lexmark) does not show up the model I have in the driver database

openbysource, it shows in that paste

viking-ice, oh okay
grrr

stealth_vader, yum -d 0 list kmod-nvidia

http://rafb.net/p/KNGanJ91.html
LOL

How do I completely un-install my video drivers and start over?

my baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad

Robocop101, try localhost:631 in your browser
Pogonip, yum remove driver

phhaddad….will do……thanks

does that mean it is installed

Pogonip, why you want to do that?

yep

can someone help me get my sound working on my thinkpad t61
??

anybody knows how to enable a user to have permissions to read/write files in a directory?

man chmod man chown phpcurious

brohken-work, I thought we had already fixed that

openbysource, i bet he installed the binary

openbysource, can't figure out why Beryl doesn't work, I've tried so many things I'm sure I must have conflicts somewhere. And it's faster than reinstalling Fedora 7

nope

brohken-work: your system is up to date?

Pogonip, what card?

f_newton i left with it unresolved

Pogonip, what video card

yes it is

brohken-work: tried http://carrot.hep.upenn.edu/wiki/doku.php?id=thinkpad:start audio section ?

openbysource, ATI Technologies Inc M56GL [Mobility FireGL V5200]

yes… no luck

Pogonip, i see

b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev

Pogonip, you installed ati prop. stuff ?

anyone using nautilus smb://
?

Pogonip, disable aiglx and composite in xorg.conf

openbysource, tried to this afternoon

ok brohken-work … go to system-config-soundcard and hit the test button, making sure you arent muted and let me know if you hear the sound

does anyone know what the "gam_server" process does ?
and why does it suck up so much ram ?

headmonkey, try to do google before asking
gam_server is the binary fo gamin (see http://www.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin/). It's a sgi_fam replacement for file alternation monitoring.

openbysourc, aiglx is set to off and if I enable composite I get a different error.

openbysource, so why happens if i kill it and dont run it ?

nothing

er..what ?

Pogonip, disable composite as VileGent said
brohken-work, lsmod | grep snd

openbysource, i am not sure if it's chmod or chown but i think it has something to do with "ln"

phpcurious, well can you explain the task you want to do ?

What package provides "gnomedesktop"?

yum install gnome?

logankoester, man yum

openbysource, the situation is that , i couldn't transfer files to my web server, using my access …

then i probably and surely think that it has nothing to do with ln

http://pastebin.ca/665178

brohken-work, yeah i am looking

openbysource, I made the following changes, Option "AIGLX" "disable" and Option "Composite" "disable" and now Xcomposite extention failed

brohken-work, you loaded or un-loaded any of those modules yourself ?

VileGent, "yum provides gnomedesktop" yielded no matches

logankoester, yumex and check your spelling

logankoester, the correct spelling is gnome-desktop

no i dont think so
im not really knowledgeable on anything linux

brohken-work, that should work out of box.

this is my 2nd day using it
hmm… what can i do?

brohken-work, you can't hear anything but your sound card is detected ?

brohken-work, I feel your pain.

heh

yea no sounds coming out

brohken-work: I missed the beginning of this conversation, what's your laptop model?

i ran alsamixer, everything is up

brohken-work, strange. what audio you trying to play

unmuted everything

brohken-work: I solved a very similar sounding issue for my friend on a Gateway laptop

openbysource, how do I fix the failing Xcomposite

the sound manager test sound
no sounds when starting the OS
this system never made a sound

Pogonip, you tried #ati ?

the last sound it actually made was when i logged out of windows to install linux
bthe last sound it actually made was when i logged out of windows to install linux/b

heh
brohken-work: what kind of computer is it?

lenovo t61
thinkpad

openbysource, ok, i tried chown and chgrp but, i still can't transfer files

brohken, they're right it should work right out of the box

brohken-work: interesting, my t60 worked out of the box

that's the 5th site that has showed a "Maintenance" page today.

phpcurious, you need to mention the issue you are just telling the broken points

the internets are dying!

downhillgames, oh noes!

openbysource, I'm not sure what that means.

pmhaddad; hide!

yea this sucks… not sure what to do
i am frustrated as heck…

Pogonip, for ati users it's best to first try /join #ati here. as ati have issues with fedora7

brohken-work: I take it you're installing F7, and you've updated everything?

Doh!

yea
i mean i ran all the default updates… was about 115 or so
and i even saw alsa update today
was hoping that would fix it

brohken-work: and you've got all the faders up in alsa-mixer?

brohken-work, you have anything related to usb sound card or usb sound device something like that ?

yea hjfreyer
nope

openbysource, i want to upload php files to my webserver using a 3rd party ftp software

because your modules tells me you have usb audio

brohken-work, it's worth the effort, but get used to being frustrated.

brohken-work, another interesting thing is you have ac97 besides snd-hda-intel that too confuses me

brohken-work: hum. I'm not sure if it's at all related, but what fixed it on my friend's was looking at the "jack sense" options in the mixer

jack sense? i dont have those

openbysource, but when I try to copy files to the webserver it says transfer failed.

phpcurious, ask the webserver admin to provide the permission to you

brohken-work: are you using Gnome?

and check your so called 3rd party software. fedora have in-built ftp command if you every run out of softwares

yes i am

brohken-work: open up the mixer, go to preferences or something like that, and make everything visible
brohken-work: I don't really know the details, because I'm on my mac at the moment, but I'll do my best hosting to remember what fixed it

how do i get into prefs?

brohken-work: it was a snd-intel card

openbysource, if i am that webserver admin you are pertaining to, what should I do?
openbysource, i already tried chown and chgrp

phpcurious, where do you upload the file at the webserver ? i mean which directory

/var/www/html/site

Preferences?

phpcurious, ls -ld /var/www/html/site/

ok

openbysource, it says that the folder is "owned" by another group… should i change that to root group?

brohken-work: just check off everything to make it visible in the mixer, and there should be a tab called switches

phpcurious, by which user you try to upload the file on the webserver and what is the output of ls -ld

brohken-work: comme ca: http://tigert.1g.fi/blog-files/mixer-app.png

5

phpcurious, and what user you try to put stuff in it ?

jojo

id jojo on the webserver
does jojo belongs to the shiela group ?

don't know… how do i check that?

id jojo

uid=503(jojo) gid=0(root) groups=0(root),502(shiela)

brohken-work: anything?

brohken-work, what version of alsa?
brohken-work, this might help: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installation_instructions_for_the_ThinkPad_T61
it is for ubuntu 7.01 but the same alsa stuff should apply
er 7.04

i dont see those options

w/e fiesty is

please anybody help me?

brohken-work: also tried http://www.klabs.be/~fpiat/linux/debian/Etch_on_Thinkpad_T61.html#Sound ? it describes the same model and problem, but uses a hack

im not sure which version. and that link i tried. doesnt work

brohken-work, rpm -qa alsa*
that should show you what version you have

brohken-work: you probably have a different problem than I have, sorry

pmhaddad:
alsa-utils-1.0.14-1.fc7
alsa-lib-1.0.14-3.fc7

brohken-work: the python program doesn't work?

whats that?

^^

hi

?

http://www.klabs.be/~fpiat/linux/debian/Etch_on_Thinkpad_T61.html#Sound

Is there packaging for ALSA greater than 1.0.14?

http://www.klabs.be/~fpiat/linux/debian/Etch_on_Thinkpad_T61/t61_audio_hack.py

brohken-work, you having problems with alsa on a T61?

shadowarts-lappy:

at least a friend of mine told me that
i have a T61 and am listening to music on it atm, i could probably help you

shadowarts-lappy: please do man

what kernel are you running?
(uname -r)

does anybody else have issues booting up any versions of fedora 7 or later?
for some reason, since 7 onward, it seems the kernel disagrees with my laptop and will not boot past the "starting udev" when booting up…

2.6.22.1-41.fc7

brohken-work, what version of alsa-libs? (rpm -qa | grep alsa-lib)

honestly, after extensive googling, i have sorta narrowed it down to pcmcia/acpi issues. if i remove my pcmcia soundcard, i can boot, but as long as it is in my kernel hangs…any ideas? i'd love to use 7, and eventually 8 when it comes out, but i have to tackle this issue first.. (mind you, fc6 works great with all of my hardware, so i'm not sure what has changed sine then, kernel-wise)

alsa-lib-1.0.14-3.fc7
shadowarts-lappy: ^

mot, try booting with pci=nommconf
brohken, hmm
brohken, you get no sounds?

shadowarts-lappy, pci=nommconf?
would this perhaps work if booting from the fc8 test 1 live cd?

mot, might help

hmm thanks, i'll try it out - any suggestions on what to try if that doesn't work?
i seriously dug into this issue for about a week straight to no avail, and am relegated to using fc6

brohken, is snd_hda_intel loaded?
pastebin the output of lsmod | grep snd

http://pastebin.ca/665213

brohken-work, do you have two sound cards?

That was my mistaken.
I had him load that module.

oh
brohken, how about the contents of /etc/modprobe.conf

The proper module was already loaded.

ah, ok

Being snd_hda_intel

shadowarts-lappy: i dont think so… just this laptop

brohken-work, okay, i think i might know the problem then
you should have a line in your /etc/modprobe.conf file
that looks like….
"options snd-hda-intel index=0"

shadowarts-lappy: http://pastebin.ca/665217

try changing it to
"options snd-hda-intel index=0 model=thinkpad"

ok sec… let me make a backup

alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel - that line

so change that to options snd-hda-intel index=0 model=thinkpad?

you need to rmmod snd-hda-intel (and friends) or reboot after that
brohken, yeah try that

wait you lost me

well

lol
sorrry man

http://nonlogic.org/dump/text/1187668734.html - relevant lines of my modprobe.conf

http://pastebin.ca/665221
correct?

no

brohken-work, http://pastebin.ca/665222 - more like that

i aslo dont have sound workign on dell latitude D630, aslo using snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm

shadowarts-lappy: ok saved
reboot?

with my modprobe.conf containing options snd-hda-intel index=0

brohken-work, thats the sure-fire way

first try this
rmmod snd_hda_intel snd_hda_codec snd_pcm snd_timer snd snd_page_alloc
modprobe snd_hda_intel
shadowarts-lappy: How did you come across this solution?

http://pastebin.ca/665226

Hrm.
Well, reboot, I guess.

that second command didnt do anything
ok

As shadowarts-lappy said, it's the sure-fire way.

heh back in a second i hope

anyone here use epiphany?

I do.

i just started using it today
going to try it out for the next month

I use it primarily for the way in which it handles bookmarks.
I had used it a long while back, and didn't like it.

What linux-compatible torrent client is comparable to uTorrent?

what's uTorrent like?

What is uTorrent?

kambei, yeah i really like the bookmarks engine

hey guys

shadowarts-lappy: The smart bookmarks handling is nice, as well.

brohken-home, did it work?

Let me rephrase that, what torrent clients are available to me, and what's good?

doesnt look like it

For gnome?

correct

yum search torrent

still no sound when i tried system-config-soundcard
the test i mean

brohken-home, hmm

transmission, deluge, rtorrent

logankoester, i like transmission

shadowarts-lappy: Does he not need to mess with his mixer settings now?

yeah maybe
brohken-home, take a look at your mixer settings

alsamixer?

thanks

brohken-home, are you using gnome?

brohken-home: As a first step, unmute and turn up everything.
That would be my initial recommendation.
shadowarts-lappy: You have the same kernel/alsa version?

with gnome's volume control

everything is up/on/unmuted

i have the tracks 'Headphone' 'PCM' 'Microphone' and 'Speaker' displayed in the GUI
make sure speaker is turned on

i dont get those

Looks like Deluge got their interface from uTorrent, to answer your question

Very good.

brohken-home, what does it say the card is in the upper left corner of alsa-mixer

Does Fedora "ship" with Gnome, or is it a coincidence that you all are using it?

Fedora defaults to Gnome, although if you want KDE there is a version of the LiveCD that installs it instead

I see.

it is the default

Very well.
Thanks.

or you could just do yum install kde

yum grouplist
then yum groupinstall "Some Name for The KDE Group"
yum install kde is not enough

There is no meta package?

shadowarts-lappy:
HDA Intel 
 Chip: Analog Devices ID 1984 
 View: [Playback] Capture All 
 Item: Master [dB gain=0.00, 0.00]

the package group fills the same role as a metapackage would

Ah.

brohken, hmm
brohken-home, okay maybe i did rebuild alsa….

hah

EvilBob, oh ok, i've never actually tried it so…

i dont remember doing so after the last kernel update
but
its pretty easy to do

shadowarts-lappy: The python script posted earlier is purported to enable sound via a hack..

so in that case giving advice would be a bad idea

hrm
alright well just let me know what to do and i will

My understanding is that the ALSA version currently in Fedora is not recent enough to properly interact with the available kernel module for his sound device.

brohken-home, do you have mercurial installed?

wha?
maybe? lol
yum install mercurial ?

yup
its a program like subversion, cvs or git
for source code version control

ok its installed
i dont know what subdiversion, cvs or git is
heh

well, for now its just a way to download the latest version of software the guys at the alsa project have been working on
generally you dont use it unless your writing software

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_control if you want more info

anyway make a new directory somewhere
called alsa or something
cd /path/to/alsa or something
then
hg clone http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa-kernel alsa-kernel
errr
hg clone http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa-driver alsa-driver

can i make it on my desktop?
where should i make it?

brohken,

yo

argh
sry

lol

Desktop is fine
i personally put it in something like ~/Projects/Computer/Sound/

ok ill do that

but im sure there are a ton of people that would disagree with me, wherever you want to put it really

ok desktop for now
wait
if i delete this later… will it break everything?

brohken-home: your question is roughly analogous to "what color ink should I use to write this note?"

heh

brohken-home, no but it might be a good idea to hold on to what we do

ok then i wont put it on desktop
hold on

because i suppose you have to do the last step everytime there is a new kernel in F7
(though i swear i dont remember doing this last time…)
(when was the last kernel update btw)

shadow its adding stuff

did you do the hg clone command?

yes into that directory

good

-41 was built built more than 3 weeks ago

(the driver one right?)

added 3371 changesets with 8188 changes to 1174 files
730 files updated, 0 files merged, 0 files removed, 0 files unresolved

i am running -61 from last week

EvilBob, ah, then its probably a matter of forgetting

shadowarts-lappy: "grep kernel /var/log/yum*" should tell you when you installed the most recent kernel

http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=8

how do I make Gtk obey my KDE font settings?
I've chosen "Use my KDE fonts" in the Gtk styles/settings dialogue
the QT style works, but the fonts are still Gtk settings :/

brohken-home, alright now cd into alsa-driver
and do "./cvscompile"

i believe you need to log out and back in for those settings to take effect

ah

before doing all this have you guys made sure there is not an update in updates-testing?

EvilBob, i know for a fact this will work is the thing

I have heard that crap before

the patches for this sound card havent been put into an alsa release yet

then in two months his sound does not work again and we have to tell him to reinstall because his system will not update anymore

[root@localhost alsa-driver]# ./cvscompile
No alsa-kernel is found.
Please specify the correct location via ALSAKERNELDIR environment variable.
if i wait for the patches to be released will it be soon?

So, my laptop locks up at the dependency resolution stage of installation on F7 i386. The media checks OK.

brohken-home, how about now typing (within alsa-driver directory) "hg clone http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa-kernel alsa-kernel"

Any ideas on how I could get F7 to install on my laptop?

you could check fedorafaq.org for alt install ideas… LOL

:-)
I should be updating soon.

live cd installs have no dependency resolution steps

check the wiki, wiki/Bugs/F7Common IIRC

brohken-home, i dont know when the next alsa release will be, and you probably wont see it hit fedora until F8

shadow its doing stuff

Okay, thanks.

can i just upgrade to F8? or will i need to do this again?

brohken, F8 isnt out yet

brohken-home: once you go down this road you end up stuck doing it forever in most cases

ok ic

EvilBob, its one cp command to fix in the end

brohken-home: it is much better to be patient and file a bug

shadowarts-lappy: ok its done
i understand but this is my only pc at the moment.. i need sound

EvilBob, yeah i filed bug reports to alsa for this, its fixed in their repos, they havent released since it was fixed

the laptop doesnt have brightness controls… but i can live without it

brohken-home, i figured that out a little too (
anyway now trying ./cvscompile

shadowarts-lappy: file in bugzilla.redhat.com so it might get patched in

http://pastebin.ca/665256
thats what it spit out

You don't have the requisite utilities for compilation.

yum install aclocal autoconf

me?

looks like you need gcc as well

oh and gcc
read what it says lol

this is going to end very badly…

yum install aclocal autoconf first?
?

install whatever it wants all at the same time
yum install gcc autoconf aclocal

yum groupinstall "Development Tools"

neg
that's just bloat

so which one am i getting? yum install gcc autoconf aclocal ?

i'm gonna go while i'm still sane

Have faith. There is still a very, very slim chance that it might work out.

brohken-home, yeah do that

brohken-home; use your head. install what it asks for.
gl and cya

we will have a few yum installs after this too

i dont know what he means to use my head

Argh. I'm running install with ide=nodma now and it seems to be working. Painful, though.
bArgh. I'm running install with ide=nodma now and it seems to be working. Painful, though./b

it asked for what?

yum install gcc autoconf aclocal
kambei, considering the method worked for everyone on thinkwiki i bet it will work again

ok first one is done

faith has nothing to do with stupid…

running yum install gcc autoconf aclocal

shadowarts-lappy: I was attempting to make light of the situation.

[root@localhost alsa-driver]# yum install gcc autoconf aclocal
Setting up Install Process
Parsing package install arguments
Nothing to do

brohken-home: STOP pasting to the channel

brohken-home, did you do the groupinstall?

no
do that too?

nah
run ./cvscompile again

ok
did a bunch of stuff
done

pastebin the output

sorry wont do it again

couldn't have finished that quickly

http://pastebin.ca/665258

Did I state this is going to end very badly?

brohken-home: yum install kernel-devel

I think I remember something along those lines.

k

EvilBob, multiple times now

running yum install kernel-devel

yum install kernel-headers
or devel

which?
done

go with devel

yum install devel?

yum install kernel-devel

brohken-home: Now run cvscompile again.

sec
package kernel-devel-2.6.22.1-41.fc7 (which is newer than kernel-devel-2.6.21-1.3194.fc7) is already installed
runing cvscompile
its doing alot more now
ALSA modules were successfully compiled!

brohken-home, pastebin the output again

http://pastebin.ca/665260

excellent

ok now what do i do?

brohken, as root (or using sudo)
run sudo make install

He is root.

make install then

ok done
said ALSA chanels are muted by default

copy that output too (i forget if it runs depmod)

http://pastebin.ca/665263

alright good
now just reboot

ok brb

… dude i'm never buying a thinkpad if they take this long to boot

lol

mine boots up quickly

it is probably kernel panicking about now

shadowarts-lappy, yeah but you probably injected yours with rocket fuel or something
heh
or that
and?

hey guys

hi brohken-work

did it work???

ok so now what do i do?

is it still brohken?

umm i dont think so

for the love of god man!

brohken-work, open up alsa mixer

lol

crank up the sound d00d!
play "Keep Talking" by Pink Floyd

make sure "Speaker" is unmuted

function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device

alright
brohken, lsmod | grep snd into pastebin
alsong with the output of dmesg

lsmod | grep snd didnt give me any output

alright, well im sure dmesg will give you some

http://pastebin.ca/665266

Where can i find ndiswrapper so I can put it on my thumbstick and install it?

livna

brohken-work, ok login as root in a terminal
type 'dmesg -c'
then 'modprobe snd-hda-intel'

/sbin/modprobe probably

dmesg -c did nothing
Module snd_hda_intel not found.

brohken-work, what happens if you do "ls /lib/modules/2.6.22.1-41.fc7/kernel/sound/pci/hda/"

nothing

ok hold on a sec

ok

over two hours…

?
what

ok

brohken-work, i think we botched the compile but we can just do it again

how do I get to my thumbstick from terminal?

go back to the alsa-driver directory

is TLS "transport layer security" or "transparent layer security"? or is it both?

dmesg and mount

if it was auto mounted

is the label name

shadow ok

now do

the directory i made?

brohken-work, yeah
and then into the alsa-driver directory

ok im there
rm ./* ?
haha

now do "./configure"

ok
working
ok done

then once that is done "make -j5"
(the -j5 will just let it take advantage of your dual core to speed up the build)

careful with -j, some makefiles will randomly fail.

hmm
so dont do -j5?
just make?

up to you.

-j5 with alsa-drivers should be fine

-j attempts to optimize for multiple cores

was for me
pmhaddad, no it builds across multiple cores
its not an optimization flag

ok doing stuff
great success

brohken-work, it should be doing stuff for a bit now
already done?

its done
yea

hi i did a yum update yesterday ower night everithing worked but today wen i wanted to use pirut to install wine pirut was realy realy slow any ideas?

ALSA modules were successfully compiled!

hmm
brohken-work, copy as much of the output as you can into paste bin
i want to make sure it worked right this time

can anyone direct me to the fedora rpm yum site tutorial

shadowarts-lappy, that's what i meant.. wrong termonology sorry

Cowboy what are you trying to do?

ok

Is 7.90 a development branch thinggie?

ball, yeah

it is what will eventually become F8

learn about rpm package management

Thanks.

Cowboy how to make them or how to use them?

I'll try 7(.0) then, since I think that's the most recent stable release.

that's right

both

correct

shadowarts-lappy: http://pastebin.ca/665279

Thanks a lot chaps.

brohken-work, hmm didnt compile everything

hrm

cowboy http://genetikayos.com/code/repos/rpm-tutorial/trunk/rpm-tutorial.html

brohken-work, try doing 'make clean'
then './configure –with-cards=all'

or this one also linkCanabico http://docs.fedoraproject.org/yum/en/

Looks like the .iso is for a DVD.
I have a DVD writer around here somewhere.

you can install from the livecd's too

brohken-work: are you suicidal yet?

yes

i am just beggining to learn linux wanna tale the l;pi Linux certification tests
lpi
tale = take

shadowarts-lappy: ok done
my eye is twitching

brohken-work, did them both?

sorry newer heard of the test

yes shadowarts-lappy

make -j5
again

^Cowboy^: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/BuildingPackagesGuide

done

thanks.

is it similar to the micrsoft certificates?

http://www.lpi.org

has someone an idea if the latest build of pirut is broken?

I wonder if that certification would make me employable once more.

thanks eveibob

shadowarts-lappy: ^

brohken-work, alright output would be good again

^Cowboy^: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging

How can I kill yum? kill & killall aren't doing the trick, and there are three useless yum processes just kinda chillin

http://pastebin.ca/665283 shadowarts-lappy

wow thanls again evilbob

There is no way you guys are still working on this.

that harassment discharge will make employment hard no matter what certs you have

logankoester type ps aux | grep yum

hehehe

brohken-work, this is weird… its not compiling all the drivers

then kill "id of yum" as root

kambei, oh yes there is…

shadowarts-lappy: ic

im trying to think what im missing here

LinkCanabico, http://pastie.caboo.se/89586

If it ever ends it will end badly…

You think that's what's doing it?

stalking the bosses wife is never a good thing…

unless you're the boss

has no effect or output

logankoester it would be kill 20920 then kill 22396, 22450

should do it

brohken-work, go into the alsa-kernel directory

wolsni, thanks! that did it

is there any confingure or hgcompile or cvscompile in there?

where is that?

lol

depending on which boss, I think he has a husband.

cd alsa-driver/alsa-kernel

sorry mised the -9 my bad

shadowarts-lappy: ok

is there any files called "configure" or "cvscompile" in there?

LinkCanabico, why would yum hang like that? It's doing it every time I try to run it
just hangs forever
doing nothing

How much RAM do I need for Fedora 7?

try a "yum clean all" and see if that clears it up

no idea it newer hapend to me

ball, i think 512mb at least is recommended

the release notes have hardware requirements for various architectures

KConfig

but you can install it on far less
(this is assuming x86)

what i noticed was that you had 3 instances runing

shadowarts-lappy: ^

Hmm… my desktop machine has 128 Mbytes.

wolsni, "yum clean all" is frozen as well

I'm due for a new machine, but can't afford it just yet.
I should buy a lottery ticket.

128 Mbytes? Yeah, you're due for a new machinet

the least i've done f7 on was 256

that's incredible

and it was pretty slugish. granted i didn't do too much to tweak ram usage

kill -9 all the running yums and rpm processes… then 'rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db*' then try the update again?

I recently upgraded this machine from 64 Mbytes… that was four 16 Mbyte SIMMs

o_O

simms… eeek

The 128 Mbytes is a DIMM.

128MB is the minimum required for the installer to run, assuming x86

Hmm… I could buy a new mainboard tomorrow, but I can't afford RAM for it. :-/

evilbob, I get a error when I try and install ndiswrapper manuly

nirik, thank you, that worked

ball mainboard what about procesor?

glad to hear it.

brohken-work, well

I have an Athlon64 sitting on the shelf.
(t'was donated)

shadowarts-lappy: nope
shadowarts-lappy: just a Kconfig

cool ok i was just asking

brohken-work, is that the *only* file in there?

I would rather run a Turion64, but mainboards for those are tough to find and I don't have the chip either.

ball, as a desktop? those are mobile processors…

no
hold on ill pastebin

isnt turion for laps?

Hello! Where Fedora has kernel headers?

Come to think of it, I saw Turion64 in an HP desktop just recently

J-23, yum install kernel-headers

Thanks.

…looked like a nice little machine, but I'll be building my own, not buying a package.

ball, really? wow. that'd be a first for me
ball, go with a athlon X2
idk if it's cheaper or not
but definitely more punch

wait 6 months for a X4

http://pastebin.ca/665292

I'll stick with the Athlon64 for now and perhaps upgrade to a Socket 939 Opteron if I find one at a reasonable price.

too pricey
ball, yeah those are cool

shadowarts-lappy: http://pastebin.ca/665292

brohken-work, lets try this once more

ok

I have this package, but…

then i got to go to bed

J-23: kernel-devel

Mrs. ball's next machine may be a Core Duo
I have a server to build as well and I'm considering Intel for that.

brohken-work, go back to the alsa-driver directory

shadowarts-lappy: ok

run make clean

/usr/src/linux/headers?

J-23: install kernel-devel

I'm installing it.

done
shadowarts-lappy: done

now run ./hgcompile

I need a faster chip too.
….perhaps I should have bought a Mac Mini when I had the chance.

EvilBob, what kind of laptop do you have?

you should drive over here we can fill your trunk with parts for a couple dozen machines

shadowarts-lappy: done

brohken-work, pastebin the output once more

ASUS A8S

http://pastebin.ca/665297

where do you live?

EvilBob, so do you just plan on buying the processor and sticking it in yourself?

St. Cloud MN

i thought it was your moms basement?

Ah, not horribly far then.

shadowarts-lappy: http://pastebin.ca/665297 incase u missed it

brohken, got it

ok

opsec, oh snap!

no mom lives in a one bedroom apartment now
yup, tested it already at a local VAR

EvilBob, how will you deal with the heating issues that are bound to occur?

brohken-work, could we work on this tommorrow

shadowarts-lappy: sure

i cant really think whats going wrong atm, but im sure we can figure it out

when are you usually in?
k

heating issues? what heating issues. this damn thing runs so freaking hot as it is. the C2Q I tested actually ran cooler…

9-5 baby!

lol

ill be here most of tomorrow

EvilBob, really?!?
wow

i think

shadowarts-lappy: cool ill ping you at work

Does Core2 really run cooler than Core and Pentium M?

thanks man! i appreciate this

brohken-work, don't worry if he isn't i'll give him the boot in here again lol

brohken, just pm me (shadowarts-lappy)

T7100 is shockingly hot

will do. goodnight

EvilBob, huh i always thought they were crispy cold

brohken-work, or ask someone in ##nonlogic where i am if you cant find me

we can, but it's inbound-only. we pay for uploads.

get it off ebay and have it shipped… \

That could be, I don't honestly know, but I know people who have used it and thought well of it.

OMG! ROTFL!

lol I guess that depends on what satcom you hook in to

It doesn't seem to be rocket science to install the eclipse+svn stuff though.

no. depends on the local telecoms company. I'll explain why now

ill just ignore this step for now

we have only one telecoms company. the regulate *all* communication going *in* and *out* of here..everything goes through them at some point. even sat, you need to pay them royalties. and their royalties are expensive…

frozty_sa, if you know unix and can learn the lnc downconverter/ uplink frequencies… as long as you arent breaking any laws you should be home free

pretty big if

there are many southern sky comsats specifically owned by the usa and south africa has absolutely nothing to do with them

heh…I've got connections in the whole telecoms industry. I could hook on to pas7 if I wanted to. but as you say, the laws
dude..believe me, the laws here screw us over

yeah well life sux for you then

I 3 telcom

we're only *now* getting closer to intl standards in terms of internet
yeah, I know
my internet costs me in the ranges of US$30 for 6.5gigs of traffic

lol greed

My internet costs me a couple of grand a month.

I am the internet

i can has monopoly too?

btw, I came across a company called busness business to business a while ago. offering unlimited caps… r700p/m excl. adsl line

frozty_sa, mine costs under 50/month but no caps

icann?

But, I do have 4×100mbps connections…

I mean, our main, landline telecoms operator is one who tries to convince people that 384k as broadband
*envy* *respect*

jafo my 8meg connection cost me 40 dollars a month

hear iBurst technically isn't? lol…

frozty_sa, aren't they building another along the east coast?

no thing such as unlimited in SA..(I work for an ISP)

this hotel connection is included in the room

yes. and it's still coming along with the 2nd national telecoms

384k is a lot better then dial up

when I was in SA last the HSDPA rocked

it's still taking a while

quicke than london I reckon

My home 8mbps connection rarely gives me more than 4mbps download, but whatever. And it's just likely to be worse now that school is back in session.

true…but then, the voda and mtn backbones are now unstable
too many people bought. it's now crashing under weight

sorry about that jafo your connection sux

lol
that country is getting worse

I got a quick question. I just added Livina Repository and hit update. Now before when I did the updates, it only

verizon fios is great

Yeah, but somehow I'll survive. Much of my downloading I do over the quad 100mbps to my servers anyway.

had about 180 updates.. Now it has like 331..

yeah….and we all know who to blame….

http://broadband.datapro.co.za/business-uncapped-adsl-a-fibre.html is one

Did I do something wrong, or something right?

lol yeah.. Im gagging here not to say anything!

rather don't

I aint that stupid _

but the one bit that p**** me of MOST, is the fact that they probably know their wrong but due to pride and arrogance won't admit it

right now Im living with hotel connections and believe me they suck

what ever happened to megawan ?

died. cost

unlucky

Im at 1.06mbps right now

well, cost, and coverage

and then they wonder why we are still 3rd world… yep. the government want money.

hahaha!
you call that slow??

I found out the hotel we were at for PyCon had 4 T1s serving both the conference we were having there *AND* the guest room internet. I was shocked considering they were charging $10/night for it.

well yes actually

you pay through the nose here just to get 512k…

its free everywhere Ive stayed so far

It's totally a travesty that we don't have 20mbps down 2 to 4mbps up as a regular internet service in the US now.

frozty_sa, thats not very good thinking on the part of your internet providers… they are losing a lot of revenue by keeping it so expensive

f_newton, depends on the hotel. I have seen some that charge more for a 512k connection..

did you catch my question about nagios plugins up there ^ amongst all the madness

no their not. they are actually gaining

Lots of rural places have way better net than the urban places because they have fewer issues with lock-in by the big LEC who want to protect their business hosting service that they over charge for.

well every place Ive been booked in to offers free high speed… and the wifi cafes around here offer free too

Heck, my fathers, "high speed" is only 500k and he is playing $40 per month..

you heard the whole taiwan (or likes) theory? its cheaper (if downloading, i think, 10GB) to get a return ticket to taiwan and download it. when you get back, it would still be downloading here…

the "fast" standard here till about 3 years ago was isdn

lol

Here, I am paying like 30 for a 6M connection

I'll check now

yeah genefitz thats pretty good

that thing about the plugin?

if you get the chance to get fios … get it

lets hope PLC pans out…

plc?

frozty_sa yeah
step 5
in the readme

I guess it all has to do with the location and what the companies can get away with..

dunno. didn't do from source. but I figure it's safe to skip

Out where my pops is, there is only one high speed service, here, I can pick from like five..

well charge a thousand 1000 dollars or get 10 dollars from 2 million…
its your choice
me I'll take the 40 mil

powerline communication… baie, faster den my bakkie baie, fast internet.

too noisy moitoius

more about peering agreements isn't it?

ethernet over power?

yep

f_newton, in areas where there is only one provider, that provider can get away with charging what ever they want.. It sucks, but the reality of business..

haha…not here…here it'd be an improvement to the connection most have

genefitz, a good business man could move in and clean up

true, (lol ixion), but there are working prototypes, apparently… who cares? the power is off most of the time.

what, here?

south africa's issue isnt in its ability to provide decent infrastructure… it all boils down to telcoms monopoly

yes
as ixion said
quick wrapup of our situation for anyone, explaining the oddities?

f_newton, and one day one will. I keep on telling him, "Wait till you get a Digital cable provider there, you will see the cost drop and the service speed way up"

greed

He is waiting..

lets hope neotel puts them in thier place, but they only supply large corps atm.

you could have the best infrastructure in your world but if its all plugged into telcoms network u're screwed

screw telkom

yes. and the res trial is now in its 3rd and final month

it would either have to be based on the telcom net or a cable net
wave propagation is not feasible

Last time my father visited me here, he got on my computer and almost had a heart attack from the speed..

its also too dangerous

His connection, even at 500k, I liken to dial-up…

lol dial up
man if thats all ya can get it will have to do

not a joke. that is the REIGNING type of internet connection here

south african only got ADSL like a year ago or something?

My wife spent a month up at the lake in Canada. She had 20kbps dial-up. If you think 500k is bad, try 20k for a month.

lol\

f_newton, moving from a 6M to a 500k system is like moving to dial-up..

3~4

I know
my hotel connections are pitiful compared to my fios at home

This place is extremely rural, it's an hour by car to the mailbox, she was lucky she had anything.

but it only got really nice and stable-ish about 2~3 years ago

jafo, no thanks, I would be pulling my hair out..

I got the fios at home
fasssst

i am. imagine trying to develop over 33kpbs…

hey regardless of how shit we think it is.. its still pretty fucking amazing that when I press enter at the end of this sentance you guys from all your weird corners of the world will receive this message in less than a second
oh soz language

moitous, again, no thanks.. You would be seing me beat my head against the keyboard non-stop..

that's a cute name for a bot…

not a bot
he's just got auto-responders in place

no i dont

yes you do

no i dont

oh? hello..thought you were out

lol

i have a shortcut

Everyone is someones kid…

I just got finished with an over 700 meg download.. It would take me 3 days with dial-up
bI just got finished with an over 700 meg download.. It would take me 3 days with dial-up/b

i type /polite nickname

been in any fudcon today?
yeah….like I do /paste

Takes less than 10 minutes on my connection,

:-p

frozty_sa, i heard it had been canceled

*gasp*
Where, by the way?

and i had to go do a festival at my lodged adult living home

i'm so n00b at IRC

moitoius, thats how i do it

Oh, by the way f_newton, I finally figured out my issue with the nVidia drivers.. Don't use them. My monitor isn't supported correctly…

cheers

I was wondering..checked #fudcon today, was empty

what type of monitor are you using?

ricky, where what

that clear sucks

Acer AL1916W. The driver defaults it to the wrong resolution and won't let it change..

Where did you hear that it was canceled?

from someone who was suppose to present

Aha- aw/

I did a wiki search and found that no linux distro likes the monitor and no nVidia drivers will work with it..

genefitz, did you try to manually configure it

Speaking of monitors, I was trying the Intel X3100 to support them and their open sourceness, but it just wouldn't drive my display so I ordered an nvidia. We'll see if that helps, but the 8600GTS should have plenty of huevos for it.

jafo i love my 7600

VileGent, I went as far as to add the modes into Xorg, but the driver took over and set it right back to it's defaults..

It winged that it couldn't support the dot clock I needed, even though it seemed like it was supposed to (dot clock required was like 148.2, and it was supposed to handle 150).

I will have to submit a bug-report I suppose..

wee!

Well, I was hoping to be able to avoid the closed source drivers by going with Intel.. The 8600GTS has two DVI ports though so I guess I need to get another monitoring.
Just have to figure out where I'll put a second 47" display… Maybe I'll mount it in portrait mode…

I'd be surprised if you can't get the nvidia drivers to drive a dvi display with a little rtfm and tweaking

???

anyone know if there is a fix to get sound workign on a dell lattitude d630 ?

AndyCap, maybe, but I am far too much of a nub to even start trying to figure out what to do..

driving 2 dell fp2007 at work

should work

alpha255, it doesnt

did you try soundconfig?

administration

system-config-soundcard

in gnome

I am using a newer computer, Gateway GT5426E and for some reasons most distros don't like the computer to begin with..

genefitz, well its a gateway

is it on mute?

well clicking on the "play button" doesnt do anything

Fedora and Ubuntu were the only Distros I could get to work on it with sound and Ethernet, to begin with..

k

alsamixer doesnt even start up

kaos01, select analog or digitial

ahhh

As it stands now, I have my resolution, I will just deal without the added effects.. I am more of a productivity driven user anyway..
VileGent, yes, it is…lol

i think its an also problem, according to google
theere is even a log in /root/scsrun.log

genefitz, we banned gateway in ou
r workplace
when you order a computer and it takes 4 to get one that boots

http://perseverantia.com/index.php?p=429 on that page it talks about some modules that need to be loaded for it to work
it talks about slack
ware
though

VileGent, well, I originally bought this computer for a Vista box, after I got finished Beta testing it, but chose later to use it for linux..

i read one neds to compile some module into kernel …
i love to get this to work, as everyone here will be getting these laptops

that was with version 10 slack is at 12 now
you are using Fedora 7 right?

This week, I will be building another desktop for a dedicated for linux, Pentium D, 2 Gig, smaller video card, etc..

just want to be sure

still in?

alpha255, yes i just installed fedora7

k

U'm just going to use my Vista box for my TV tuner and multimedia center, and use my linuc box for everything else..
I'm even

in terminal window we can use " lspci " to find the sound chip and then " lsmod " to list the loaded modules
i want to make sure the right module is loaded for the chip
chip = sound chip

kaos01, yum update maybe the newer kernels and other programs may support that sound card

ahh good idea…. should have started there to begin with

still sitting around…

VileGent, my system is up to date

look at the bottom of that link you showed earlier
"T&C apply"

it's taking a white… erm… cellphone connection not the best

what they mean there, is that you get a veeeeery big cap, divided into little time units. if you use more than x amount of data in a time period, they schny you on speed till you cut down

did you hear sound while doing the initial install?

alpha255, no it never worked

yeah, that's just the code host though, not the actual server

ok in a terminal window do this…. /sbin/lspci | grep audio

yup. there's no getting around our "favourite" green and blue hosting company (yet)

the | is the pipe key and not the L key

alpha255, returns nothing

oh, the other one…. thought you were talking about googlecode.

no. didn't even see googlecode….
will have to backscroll a bit

try it w/o the | grep audio
you'll need to look for something with audio or sound it it
in it

ok

mybey someting like AC 97 or ? dunno

]Audio device: Intel Corparation 82801H

http://rjabberd.googlecode.com, I have to develop the Jabber Server before I can do anything with PUSH mail.

kaos01, is it a sigmatel?

VileGent, what a sigmatel ?

has sound ever worked on the laptop?

audio

also make sure speakers are on just to be sure

no, sound never worked

I was 9000+ lines into a C# program before I decide that windows sucks to much, so I switched to secure linux web hosting and better OSS languages (Ruby). have to start again, drat

i just installed fedora 7 last night

even with windows?

works with windows

hell yes

is there a mute key on the keyboard?

our entire dev runs on ruby/ruby on rails

alpha255, yes there is a mute key …

Fedora seems to like TG/Python

try pressing it and see if sound works then

alpha255, no haha

may I come work where you work… I was stuck using ColdFusion the last place I was at. was horrible. it's kinda hard to let C# go, I have been using for near 7 years now.

hummm….

No such device
intel-hda compiled in the kernel instead of a module and sound works

did you get the pm?

yep…

how often are you online?
haha!! I like that quit message..

since I installed linux, pretty much all the time
in other words, since I booted windows.

hahaha

as root user in terminal su - give password enter this… less /proc/asound/cards

alpha255, —no soundcards —

ok,
it looks like a few others have had some problems with that chipset
hang on

yes

lspci -vv | grep 82801 will give you more detail on the chip … lspc -vv | less will let you scroll around with the up down arrow keys
int he term window
is this a PCIe based motherboard?

how do i tell ?
Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge

start reading here…. http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=160584

ok

looks like there might be some problems with detecting pcie boards from agp boards
video based motherboards
make sure to keep up with the auto updates and I'm sure there is a fix

ok, thanks for your time

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-134437.html

i read that article before …

there is also a bug filed at bugzilla

cool

my guess is it will be fixed in a couple of weeks
just remember all software has bugs…

some are more noticable for avarage users

true

the place im at now are the greatest advocates of fedora, servers, desktops, laptops … everything is fedora

here's the bugzilla page… https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=246635
cool I like fedora
I run lots of different software though… Linux based, Mac OS based and even Windows
bI run lots of different software though… Linux based, Mac OS based and even Windows/b
ubI run lots of different software though… Linux based, Mac OS based and even Windows/b/u
does anyone there have their rhct?
or rhce?

no
we are an edu, cheap skates

oh i know about working in edu and being cheap skates
i get lots of donations

donations ?

old computers turned into fedora linux machines

haha

yep
extended the lives of a few machines

well we run a beowulf cluster on old machines

and developed two web sites on them
cool
old machines work well for afs cells too

after 3 years they go to beowulf cluster

sweet

kaos01, takes us 5 years

i like to try afs

it interesting stuff
it = it's

VileGent, it might become like that here as well, budget is going down the drain
currently after 3 years, waranty expires, hence go to beowulf cluster

gota go
l8tr

do any of you guys get fanta grape where you are?

lol

hi!
what does (repair filesystem) 4 # sounds like it wants the admin to do?

seriously
is south african the only country in the world with fanta grape?

You get that when the normal boot process fails because of a problem mounting an important filesystem.

thanks for the confirmation . does it say which one?

No.
Look further up for hints.

oki. thanks.

Does Fedora come with a program that lets me configure IP on an Ethernet interface?
I just want to set my own dedicated ip hosting address and a default route.

Yes. system-config-network

working with remote hands. I'm gonna get someone on phone soon.

is that the name of the executable?

Yes.

Thanks, I shall try that now.

ixion, to answer your question is who cares

people who like fanta grape
surely we can talk about other stuff too

No, this channel is for Fedora discussions. If you have non-Fedora topics then move them to #fedora-social .

ah
ok

Is my IP configuration held in a text file somewhere?

lol VileGent have I told you how great my new intel pro wireless 3945 works with the iwl3945 driver yet?

Read /usr/share/doc/initscripts-*/sysconfig.txt.

ball, cli?

yes

system-config-network-tui

thanks ivazquez

you didnt state that before

assuming for a moment that I don't have access to either program, or the documentation that you mentioned, where should I look for my IP config?

/sbin ifconfig

that'll be for the executable. I'm looking for the config file.

but since you are here you do have access to both

hypothetically though.

ball have you already mapped out your ip configuration?

if you dont have root access then in that case we are not to help hack the box

I have root.

you have been pointed to the programs and documentation

I just have little Linux clue

ball that has to do with ip address host configuration and not that much with linux.

It's Linux-specific though.

linux is merely the platform you are doing the work

ball even more reason to RTM

On BSD it would be ifconfig.eth0
No idea about the Linux equivalent
(can't find it)

and you have a problem reading the manual and think we should spoonfeed you why

Okay, I'll see whether I can find the doc that was mentioned.
It doesn't look like I'll get a straight answer to a simple question here.

lol

how much more straight answers can you get than that

that was a disappointment
he wanted a step by step network map
I think

he wanted spoonfeed

as far as I know he could do ifconfig -h also couldnt he?

sure
but of course he didnt want to read the man page for it either
and i pointed him to ifconfig

if he understands bsd and ip configuration the man page has all he needs

f_newton, no way said he understood bsd
that he just has used it (so he claims)

well bsd is the root of modern unix hosting arch so …
well

f_newton, then of course he could have done a locate eth0
mgrant, which the docs we pointed him to reference

mgrant, first he needed to be pointed to either nano or gedit or the like

fair enough

you cant write on the board if you cant find the chalk

f_newton, he was claiming cli

yeah I heard that

I have four SATA drives (160gig, 160gig, 240gig, 500gig) and I have a SATA RAID card for the machine. I tried to configured RAID 0 (Striped), but after configuring I only end up with 630ish gig. Can someone tell me why that is? I thought RAID 0 would use the total space on the
drives?

apparently he is trying to configure a network map for his data server
and workstations
as far as I know it does

if you want to use them all as one large drive then use LVM

Why is there no Screensaver config menu item in XFCE?
fedora seems to hide xscreensaver cause it promotes gnome-screensaver? even in XFCE

siimo, wish I could help, but I use KDE pretty much exclusively…
XFce confuses me too much..

siimo what r u talking about
u eithyer use gnome or kde

i use XFCE

and kde or gnome

no
its a desktop environment like those 2

o rly

indeed it is

YA RLY

oh

http://www.xfce.org/images/about/screenshots/4.4-3.png

meh i like kde…

gnome ftw

EDE FTW :p

blackbox ftw

go CDE!

I tried the XFce interface once, didn't like it to I went to KDE. Nothing against it, it just wasn't for me.. lol

blackbox is a window manager only though

ok no WM wars

is there a way to use a WM such as Openbox or FVWM where I can still use the NetworkManager tool? Would I have to use gnome-panel inside the other WM and add it to startup? or is there cli/non-gnome tool for Network Manager

nm-applet works in kde, but poorly. knetworkmanager might work, i dunno
i like kde's NM aplet better anyway

Yea I love how easy it is to connect between networks in network manager, but I just wish there was a way to be able to use it without pulling in gnome libs

knetworkmanager
thats the kde version, try that

siimo, the command for the config tool is "xscreensaver-demo"

Juhaz, CDE is fun

yes i know i was looking for the .desktop file o_X
anyway i created it myself

/usr/share/applications/gnome-screensaver-properties.desktop. seems to have an onlyshowin line

hmm… I keep getting: "cdda:///dev/scd1" is not a valid location
i cannot browse my CDs from nautilus
can someone do an "ls -l /dev | grep 'scd'" for me?

and the helpful command of the day for finding files from applications goes to ….drumroll…. rpm -ql

so I can compare maybe

nn

nite

Do you have CDE for linux?

no, it was tongue in cheek.

serious question, is there a way to prevent rm -rf / ? like i dunno mask that command in bashrc file?

You could rename rm then write a shell script that verifies the arguments.

almost impossible to prevent all variants

not saying all variants just that one
as it will do most damage.. all hdds mounted gone
sometimes im like rm -rf /home/me/stuff and accidently migfht hit enter after the first /

GNU rm doesn't require the flags to immediately follow the command.

yes i know
but im in the habit of typing them first

i wonder if "chmod -X /bin/rm" would work
hehe
until u needed it anyway

what about rm /usr/bin/rm
o_X

oh thats good!

could anyone tell me the best hosting upgrade route from fc6 to f7, or is it worth just waiting for F8?

grab dvd n upgrade from it, or reformat

I'd use the media, if that's possible.

I can download the dvd,, but is the upgrade process good , or will it screw things up

yellowled2k, will you want to upgrade to f8 right away?

probably pretty quick.. ill most likely install from scratch on f8
just dont feel like the hassle of that now..

the upgrade process is fine

im got a few apps not installed via yum tho..

if you don't have 900 3rd party packages installed you should be fine

built from source.. and webmin etc, not sure it that will be a problem?

yes, that will be
bad idea installing source in fedora

Hi all

after I download a desklet where do I place it in order to be able to run it with gdesklets

well not all programs are made into rpms?

forget upgrading .. you might even break yum and rpm doing things like that
then you make one

why make one rather then just compile host it?

because instaling source can overwrite normal rpms

Eh, installing into with –prefox=/usr/local should be safe.

making an rpm is not much tougher than simply compiling though

or the files owned by them

s/into with –prefox/with –prefix

surely only if its the same or similar program

never mind.
do as you wish, i won't fight you.

lol, I'm asking why

ok… i did a "gnome-mount -d /dev/scd1 -m cdrom" and it mounted to /media/cdrom
but it still wont open within natalis

and opsec you just said the upgrade would be "fine" then "forget upgrading "
so which is it?

if you've compiled things and installed them from source .. do not attempt an upgrade.. unless you're prepared to do surgery if things go bad
if you haven't it should work fine
it is not a good habit to just install source.. however, if that's what you want to do, do it.

opsec, can u help me?

i generally dont install source.. but I didnt realise a RPM could be made from source instead..

"cdda:///dev/scd1" is not a valid location.
when I try to browse a mounted CD
i even mounted it with gnome-mount

Did you check BZ?

BZ?

bugzilla

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/BuildingPackagesGuide

no.. it worked before.. i just played with mount points and then try to revert back
it isnt a bug I dont think

whats with your attitude?

define "played with mount points"

manuallly mounted to undefault directories
and maybe messed with symbolic links to the /dev devices
I tried to fix it back however

i apologize.. i've been irritated by our interaction..

thats why I wanted to see someone else with two optical drives can show me their symbolic links to scd0 and scd1

hmm I dont think the fact ive not built an rpm from source before makes me some kind of idiot ..

yellowled2k, what have u built from source
if so.. make note of it then rebuild in F7

not many things.. maybe 4-5 programs

yeah.. i'd just rebuild them after… Im not sure how to do SRPMs, its explained on Fedora wiki sites

hmm ok, is there a good F7 upgrade guide then, or is it just a case of booting from the CD..
doesnt look like much has changed in 7 anyway.. so still debating upgrade

yellowled2k, i would just wait

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f7/en_US/sn-Installer.html

especially if you are planning to do a fresh install as soon as f8 hits the ground

Fedora 7 is a pretty good update… Yum is much faster and wireless support is much better

yeah im feeling that way, just heard f7 selinux was much better
my wireless is pretty good atm luckily..
f8 is oct release right?

Early Nov.

system-config-selinux is very cool and the troubleshooting tool is improved

I need some help to build a kernel. My kernel goes wrong in this line: mkrootdev -t ext3 -o defaults,ro /dev/hda6 (inside initrd)

keep it on targeted mode enforcing. The other mode is really ugly and you'll end up with a non-working system without hours of confusion
you can tingle with enough settings with targeted mode to get a secure system and provide general protection to all apps, even those for which security policies havent been made

sounds good, probably only reason i'd upgrade

Yum's performance alone is a reason

very few other OS's seem to have Mandatory security like selinux

but… i don't think it's an f7 issue per se

Fedora has much more than just Mandatory Access Control… u can search around the wiki to learn more

Xaero_Vincent, I agree, yum is much better and selinux is less problematic, just touch /.autorelabel and reboot to put it working after a full upgrade

might have a look at the F8 test1 though:P

The strict policy is for either the very brave or the very foolish.

its pretty hardcore … im sure even the military wouldnt use it..

azlev, yeah.. though, otherwise u only need to relabel after a mode change: like "off" to "enforcing"

I disable it on my FC2 because I couldn't use Postgresql.

does anyone here use the x64 version also.. wondered how compatibility/performance benefit is..

FC2, the best of 2004…

FC2 only had the strict policy. The targeted policy was introduced in FC3.

yeah, I tried enforcing mode and almost none of the services would load and neither would X.. I had to edit the /etc/selinux/config file to change back to targeted

Enforced and targeted are independent.

oops.. i meant strict mode..
policy, w/e

I want to make my own jr45 network cable but i not sure what the name of it is?

As I said, the strict policy isn't for everyone. Even sysadmining changes.
RJ-45

Bt i don't want the rj45 plugs on the cable.

Cat 5 or Cat 6?

cat 5 fr my adsl internet shareing

you can just buy cable without plugs
in rolls
then u can read "HowTos" on how to connect them… you have to follow a color wire scheme

is it still worth building your own kernel these days ?

i try to find that on compusa

Not so much, except for special purposes.

if you use Slackware maybe

?

yellowled2k, Some people, like me, needs some special configuration, like ndiswrapper driver needs a 8K stack

hmm, didnt think so.. how would building your own kernel fit it with updates too

why would anyone desire to crimp their own cable?

yellowled2k, and F7 comes with 4K stack

1) They can't get the specific type of cable. 2) They're a cheap SoB.

they value money more than their time

you mean put the plugs on yourself?

maybe he enjoys learning how to?

who cares why… its probably cheaper if he needs to make many CAT cables

true..

Anyway, you can try Fedora 8 Test 1 but I dont think its really different from Fedora 7, other than it not being stable
to early to really get a feel I think

so is anyone using x64 here.. might get that version of f8 when its out.. unless flash etc doesnt work still

too*

It won't.
But gnash might.

does Fedora have multilibs
for x64?

hmm, will stick with i386

so u can run 32 bit apps on 64 bit OS
i know some distros do

yes

I need some help to build a kernel. My kernel goes wrong in this line: mkrootdev -t ext3 -o defaults,ro /dev/hda6 (inside initrd)

otherwise you have to create an alternate root environment and populate it with 32 bit apps… kind of time consuming

hmm ok, im out, cya all later

oh ok

anyone awake that can help me with a fedora / ATI radeon problem please ?
need some help getting direct rendering working .

Are you using radeon or fglrx?

Vo0do0, ATI and f7 no way for me.

im using a radeon x1950pro and am currently reinstalling F7 "again"

#ati

it just defaults to mesa drivers each time ..

You need to install fglrx from livna.

when i install the ATI *nix drivers they install fine . . .
but theres still no direct rendering .

Then definitely #ati .

ok so now im loggin into F7 where are whats the easiest wat to get the ATI livna stuff sorted out ?

Go to Fedora Solved.

website ?

http://fedorasolved.org/video-solutions/ati-yum-livna/

thankyou

who was it telling me I could edit /etc/proc to turn the little wifi card led on?
I was so excited to have an internal wifi card that worked I just passed on that info

f_newton, /etc/proc/ i guess is suspicious /proc/ maybe

No" and is still using the mesa GLX"
any one able to help me at all to get this working .
?

#ati

)

have you installed the xorg fglrx, kmod, AND livna config display?
…..

its a fresh install from about 10 mins ag o.

thats not what was asked
did you get all three files. kmod, livna config, and xorg fglrx
there are three rpms, if you have them, then changeover to root using su - or sudo su -

just for grins have you restarted x?

cd /etc/X11
mv xorg.conf xorg.back

Just for grins, have you rebooted?

then run livna-config-display

yes rebooted

it will generate a new xorg.conf from scratch
after that, reboot, come back, and we will go from there on the final tweaks
uafter that, reboot, come back, and we will go from there on the final tweaks/u

k

wireless issues… *sigh*

you having wireless issues azlev ?

i dont know if i have the 3 files required . where do i find/dload them from ?

Vo0do0, sudo su - || su -
uname -a;rpm -qa | grep fglrx; rpm -qa | grep livna-config

daemoen, Yes, I need to recompile my kernel for ndiswrapper

azlev, which wireless series?

Ugh. rpm -qa \*fglrx\* livna-config\*

I need a 8K stack for ACX111
Non-VGA unclassified device: Texas Instruments ACX 111 54Mbps Wireless Interface

ivazquez, that rpm query wont work either :p
as its multiple lines

Works fine for me.

ok ive done that i think

did you get 3 results?

nope
im gathering they need to be do/loaded

Vo0do0, did you follow the instructions on fedora-solved in the first place?

yes
and it said it had worked

then your rpm query would have returned three results

then i wentback to the website and did the How to test
when i re run the the install from the website it now says "nothing to do"
so i assume i have d/loaded and installed what is required

…..

http://www.rafb.net/paste

install from website???
wth….

The install instructions.

yes the install instructions .
fromt eh fedorasolved website

ok, thought you were trying to say you used an auto installer, lol
was bout to say youre smoking crack

if i repeat the su -c yum install xorg .. .. ..from the site it says "nothing to do"
so i think ive done it correctly ..

theres more than just the xorg.
you should have 3 total rpms installed

yer theres xorg kmod and glx-utils
correct ?

…. not glx-utils
thats deprecated
should be xorg, kmod, livna-config-display

hmm then the one ive followed on fedorasolved isnt the right one then .

Vo0do0, one second

i typed su -c 'yum install xorg-x11-drv-fglrx kmod-fglrx glx-utils'

hi

and that was wrong.

)

yeah, for fedora 5
glx-utils isnt maintained

whats the command line i need to use then /

i have a question

?

su -c 'yum install xorg-x11-drv-fglrx kmod-fglrx livna-config-display'

k one sec

Does anyone know if there's a place where I can get Dell D830 drivers for Fedora or just Linux in general? I know it's not supported by Dell, but I was hoping someone had some information somewhere?

ahh, they re-added glx-utils
ok, you should be ok
yet your rpm query did not return ?

)

give me a few minutes and ill 1 v 1 with you to get it working

ok thanks

it might be a bit, im walking a friend through installing f7 atm, lol

hehe

i converted a newb to f7 =D

thats ok . .

which of the following versions of fedora is the newest

)

ok, here we go
JamesMichael, 7 is the latest stable release
7.9 is actually fedora 8 test
Vo0do0, which did it say it was installing?

but i have like 4 versions in my boot loader

its installed updates primary.sqlite.bz2 and fedora

JamesMichael, the "versions" in your bootloader are kernel images

(2.6.21-1.3194.fc7) (2.6.20-2925.9.fc7xen) (2.6.22.1-41.fc7) (2.6.20-2925.13.fc7xen)

Vo0do0, those are package lists.

which one is the best to use?

JamesMichael, remove all but the 2.6.22 series unless you are having problems with that, then revert to the 21
JamesMichael, rpm -qa | grep kernel (at the cli)

Do you want to use Xen?

ooh good catch ivazquez i didnt notice the xen

i dont know what xen is

all i saw was loading "installonlyn" plugin

virtualization

setting up install process
parsing package install arguments
3 things go to 100%

hmm

Vo0do0, we all know that procedure, you can wait

then nothing to do
)

…. 3 things and nothing to do?
what?

ok so im gunna keep the xen newest version and the regular newest

)

but I still dont know what xen is
I also want to know how to edit my boot loader here is what happened

Xen is virtualization technology. Check wikipedia, Google, etc. for more info.

I think i have to edit my mbr

JamesMichael, you dont have to edit the mbr.

I install xp then fedora then gnewsense
I am using the gnewsense boot loader
but I want to use the fedora boot loader

Fedora's kernel packages assume that you're using its bootloader.

Why is it people have to install so many things, lol
Vo0do0, i sent you a query.
you should see my message, lets take it off main chat so we dont get spammy

because I am trying out linux systems
I like gnewsense
but I want to try fedora

JamesMichael, so try out livecds?

they don't offer enough for me

Hi I have a Celeron 1.2GHz, 256 MB SD-Ram, 20GB system. Which linux distro will be best for the system

trying out doesnt mean use 3 at once. youre not going to get a real feel for anything installing three distros and swapping through them

why not

#linux, and any i suppose

to get a basic feel youll know within a few hours, but still going through alot of heartache doing it that way

Learn/live/breathe one at a time. Less pain that way.

you stop breathing when you learn?

Or if you must, use something like VMware.

ok

any one will do, 20gb is more than enough for linux

each different distro has different update procedures, different package types, different package management systems

well at least its not on all one hdd
I know
anyways
how to i edit the mbr to load up the fedora boot loader and not the gnewsense one

ill bb in a bit

Does gnewsense use grub?

yes

JamesMichael, " su -c 'gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst' "

(and am I the only one that thinks g-nuisance when I see it?)

thats editing the boot loader isn't it?

You might want to try #grub then.

how do i change the resolution of the desktop to be like 720p instead of the default 480i?

system-config-display to set maximum resolution (or edit Xorg.conf) then gnome-display-properties to change it from there
sounds like your using a TV though

yeah
i actually have fedora installed on my ps3

oh
http://ps3wiki.qj.net/index.php/PS3_Video_Mode
you need a seperate utility
I have a PS3 too but its my dad's and he wont let me put Linux on it

what do u mean?

josh4bball, it looks like the PS3 video controller has a non-standard way of changing video modes
read the wiki article

Sounds like work.

ah well.. the PS3 is far more open than any console in history… not including hacking the system

Nah, the GCN is more open. They just don't give you the specs for it.

what is GCN?

Nintendo Gamecube

how was that open?

You can get to the video chip

well the PS3 has HDCP DRM crap… Sony probably had no choice but to lock the GPU

Don't kid yourself, Sony only "opened" the PS3 to Linux because they figured more would sell that way. They have no "real" interest in making it fully capable.
"It runs Linux!? COOL!" *tinkertinkertinker* "Wait a minute… WTF?!"

ivazquez, yes… in general because they lose so much per system sold.
But the PS2 was kinda open too
i think
there was Linux for that

There's Linux for the GCN too.

4 ps3

Daemoen-away: you there ?

yes
i answered you already

sorry said you were able to help me 1v1
just been waitin wasnt sure how long you would be .

lol
i responded in pvt again
head back to the query

nothing there ..

are you not getting any responses?
wierd

did you get anythign from me ?
just then ?

yes
im getting everything you say

xaero i dont understand though how do i know which value im suppose to put in the kboot.conf to set the resolution of 720p as the default

you seem to be having difficulty seeing my response
screw it. do you have messenger (aim,icq,yahoo,msn)

hmm i got one thing from you "are you new to linux"

see if i can see it

yes i can see you in here
i am replying

stupid frigging bs
that was my fault. i forgot they changed the damn query restrictions

anyone here know anything about installing fc7 on MS Virtual PC 2007
I followed some instructions on changing The depth of the color to 16
but it still will not display correctly

DrJ_ you might try VMware instead

I'm staying with this one
I just need to know why it seems to not be working for me

DrJ_, by the way it is now f7 not fc7 (dropped the "core" from the name)

everyone else who responded said it worked
http://davidbrunelle.com/2006/09/23/installing-fedora-core-on-microsoft-virtual-pc-2004/
that's where I got the instructions

what is it doing? not booting up X?

the display is all messed up

that bites
what you could try is setting a specific screen resolution

hello, i am having trouble installing my mplayerplug-in. i am running fedora core 7
i configured it correctly, but after that i get stuck

eh
got disconnected

what you could try is setting a specific screen resolution
in xorg.conf

any idea?

Fanactism, do you have the livna repository installed?
best i can tell ya

yes i belive so byro

one sec Byro, found another help site
seeing if this works first

"Unable to turn colling device on (hex address)"

Linux_Junkie, colling or cooling?

Cooling sorry darn keyboard

Linux_Junkie, don't know, but google is giving a lot of hits
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=t6j&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=%22Unable+to+turn+cooling+device+on%22&spell=1

hey guys, anyone ever seen sudo not install visudo?

what leads you to believe it isn't installed?

command not found when logged in as root using su -

rpm -qa | grep sudo

its installed opsec
ive already done that

ok, guess you don't want help
enjoy.

its not a matter of not wanting help, i asked a simple question
if you want to put your head up your ass, be my guest

"nothing to do?" A: When yum reports "nothing to do" what it's really saying is that the "package may already be installed" (or it doesn't exist), so there's nothing for it to do. (ask directly: rpm -q package).
"command not found?" A: Run the command AS ROOT after switching users with "su –login" or "su -" in order to get root's command PATH so the command WILL be found; don't run "su" by itself. If it's still not found, then either it's not installed in a standard path location (echo $PATH), is not
executable (chmod a+x), is in your current dir (./runme), or you've spelled it incorrectly.
u"command not found?" A: Run the command AS ROOT after switching users with "su –login" or "su -" in order to get root's command PATH so the command WILL be found; don't run "su" by itself. If it's still not found, then either it's not installed in a standard path location (echo $PATH), is not
executable (chmod a+x), is in your current dir (./runme), or you've spelled it incorrectly./u

?

hi folks, can we raid5 unequal disk size?

i am well aware of that too :p, i was just about to check the path itself, but why wouldnt the root path be set when using su - (which does propagate the proper root path)

(sorry. thought i fixed the backlogged triggers)

lol
how you doing tonight zcat ?

played BF2 for a couple hours. funfun.

BF2?

2yr old fps game. nothing better out yet.
Crysis and Spore look good though.

she missed the -. so her path wasnt properly set, lol

defaultro, no. smallest size will be used.

gotcha
I can't believe the prices of harddisk. They're cheaper now

opsec, i do not mean to get fussy toward you, but too many of the people in here place themselves on a pedestal. there are only a few people in this room that possess enough knowledge to get arrogant with the users and assume the users dont know as much as they themselves know

I can't believe this is just $119, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148136

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Products.ASP?CatID=16&FilterCategories=432&Thumbnails=yes

you have/had an error .. i tried querying you for information so that i might determine what was wrong
you refused

defaultro, they were $99 a couple days ago

i have nothing more to say

oh

]

is anyone using irssi?

anyone left for the night.

yes.

how do i search for channels?

ask ChanServ

/cs list
/msg ChanServ HELP LIST

thanx

I got disconnected

is there any way to get thunderbird to ask for a password?

for what?
to open it?

yes
i dont want people reading my mail just by opening the program

then make them their own account on the system
all the mail is stored in ~/.thunderbird

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148136

if they don't have access to your home folder they shouldn't be able to read your mail .. unless they are root

actually this is windows, but whatever.

well .. then i wouldn't know

windows does support multiple user accounts as well

since i haven;'t even seen it booted for about 8 years

and thunderbird also supports multiple profiles

just about to say that

you can setup multiple profiles and protect each one with a password if you really want to
but learn how to administer a computer properly first… setup seperate user accounts so that permissions are handled as they should be
if the user really wants to, unless you have a password, AND are keeping your files private, they can simply browse to %homedrive%%homepath% and browse the thunderbird folder and open Inbox in notepad and read it

No, NTFS can block that.

ivazquez, not without making the folder private
if it is not private the permissions are left open and vulnerable

oh no, I noticed that SATA drives doesn't have the power interface that I'm familiar with(4 pins)
This is what I saw, http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?Image=22-148-136-01.jpg%2c22-148-136-02.jpg&CurImage=22-148-136-02.jpg&Depa=0&Description=Seagate+Barracuda+7200.10+(Perpendicular+Recording)+ST3500630AS+500GB+7200+RPM+16MB+Cache+SATA+3.0Gb%2fs+Hard+Drive+-+OEM

Maybe in XP and Vista. ISTR NT4 and W2k making them private by default.

how will I be able to power that SATA drive then?

yeah, XP doesnt treat them as private

SATA power adapter.

i dont remember with vista
id have to boot up my toy machine, but XP treats homepath as public until set as private (under both home and pro)

uh, XP has sensible ACLs by default
OWNER and Administrators have Full Control and there's nothing else

DrNick, yes, but accessing another users Document and Settings is still possible administrator to administrator

well, yes. they're Administrators. what did you expect?

and *most* home users take the easy way out and set all accounts to "administrator"
instead of learning how to handle and manage local user and group policies (which under home is a pita anyway)

ivazquez, I found a pic and it helped me a lot. http://www.endpcnoise.com/cgi-bin/e/std/sku=SATA_power
thanks

but, thats well beyond the scope of this channel for now

isn't this #fedora .. ?

lol, none of the ops said to take it to another channel so we didnt go quite too far

Ok, one last time, Whats the yum package I need for tcl to compile a eggdrop

an egg

uh, eggdrop is a script. it requires no compilation
hmm, no, apparently it has C plugins

to compile, it needs tcl

why are you compiling it?
is there something wrong with the existing package?

i dono its just the way i always installed it
same question every time
but ill get what i need

you probably need tcl-devel at a minimum
you should just use the prebuilt package

where is the conf file
on the prebuilt
thats why i never used it

don't you have to point it at one?

so i should be able to just do ./eggdrop my.conf.file
?

yes

ok, i got to do some work real quick, but will try in a min
where do i set my dns

in case i'm just missing something simple…what are the steps to enabling userdir on apache?

search for UserDir in httpd.conf
it's pretty self explanatory
and check that there's a LoadModule for userdir

Where do I put my DNS servers ip at? what file

generally you just run system-config-network

ya i did.
I need to put a dns to

hey all
how can i set numlock to be on by default in KDE with F7?

you don't need it
numlock is not a key that works in a graphical environment
if you *must* have it on .. for the sake of it just being on …. yum install numlockx

etc/resolv.conf

what do u mean its doesnt work in a graphical environment?
i can use numlock in KDE
but i have to set it everytime which is annoying
why do u say we cant use it in a graphhical env?

sorry, i was thinking of scroll lock

oh

the scoll lock key is the dead key

why is numlock not on y default?
by*

no idea, i never use it

what about the SysRq key? is that used?

yeah…what is scroll lock…15 years on a computer and i still dont know what the heck it does

is there a cfg file or something that i can change?
to set num==ture?
true*

yum install numlockx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scroll_lock

hay guys

que onda renich

Renich, hey

can anybody help me with a command to overwrite my configuration files with the rpmnew ones? I have a thousand!
que onda, opsec!

umm

hola pembo13_com! hehe

Renich, first step would be find
Renich, hey

yeah, I know… but not all files are .fonc

i see

s/fonc/conf/

any patter?

whats up, amigo?

pattern*

not when updating tetex

hmm

the thing would be to use {}-strlen(rpmnew}

Renich, not sure what to suggest, it heps if there is some similiarity between the filenames

eating .. papas con habaneros

find / -iname '*rpmnew' -exec mv \{} \{} - 6 chars \:
lol! Are you really able to do that? Man! You're a real macho!

why isnt numlock stored in a cfg file?

hey guys, what is the closest program to amarok for gnome?

i would imagine it would be in a cfg file like everything else in linux

rythmbox?
is there a substr function in bash?

why?

opsec, because you need to reverse the polarity of /dev/null
neilthereildeil, you can turn it on with kcontrol
neilthereildeil, take your best guess as to the category it'd be under.

habaneros are super-dooper hot! You don't know what hot means until you try an habanero
they could literally knock you out

i love them.. eat them everyday

must be chinese habaneros… they're sweet
haha

habanero doritos are my new fav

good luck finding a food that's too hot for me

habanero doritos are one thing… try eating a single habanero chilli and tell us where the funeral will be
you might as well eat fire!

in thailand .. they got mad at me for wanting it too hot..

lol

i had 5 star thai food once. never again.

in central american the habaneros aren't very hot

never been there; not an expert on thai chilli

under peripherals-keyboard, i srt numlock to always on on kde startup, but it doesnt do that

in india .. they just laugh and shake their heads

huh? then you have had latin american habaneros? whoa

neilthereildeil, does for me.

hmm

last summer
i was in all of central america for 4 months

did you get to meet hugo chavez?
hehehe

hrm
http://flickr.com/photos/dontodd/176983936/ if its called listen1, where can i get it?

neilthereildeil, when numlock is on it acts like a numeric keypad instead of arrowkeys, etc. just so we're clear on the diff.

hugo chavez lives in venezuala
that is at the top of south america
not central america

it's called rythmbox
oh, no … it's not

rhythmbox is nowhere near as nice as amarok :p

http://www.listen-project.org/

hrm, wonder why i couldnt find that on google, lol
ty Renich

if you wanna isntall… just su -c 'yum install listen'

ahh, its got an rpm, nice
ty Renich

hi all. has anyone ever tried migrating from fedora to centos? are there any things i should know?

looks like that will be the next competitor. Rhythmbox is ok, but has alot of work too

i mean for a server

sorry… they say it's exactly the same as RHEL… never used it though

it is possible to do. First off youre asking in the wrong channel.
Second, the forums on CentOS have several howtos for doing just that
also…. are you using F7 or F6?

you are both right. sorry for being offtopic

and Cent4 of Cent5?

f7

ok, so youd have to jump to C5 then

yes

not sure if anyones done that one yet, ask in #centos

thanks folks

hi

hello, I have an issue, I've used ndiswrapper to install my wireless card on Fedora 7 and it recognized it, now I see it running when I ifconfig
but I can't connect to internet,
not even ping the access point

ok, I'm on track
${string%.rpmnew*}
how do I do that using find ;=s
can anybody help me with this?: find . -iname '*.rpmnew' -exec mv \{\} ${\{\}%.rpmnew*} \:

Renich, i take it youre a gnomer?

yep
you are an outsider

know of a really good burning software for gnome thats comparable to k3b? gnomebaker is the closest i could find and is still lacking…

yes, balsero

balsero better than baker?

I mean, brasero
it's SP
validated by tthe SPO

Don't want to install kde libraries?

Edgan, im teaching a friend that is not computer savvy linux… id rather keep it as simple as possible since i have to tell her all the commands one by one
and id rather not have to explain "oh, we are now installing libs for this" "whats that?"
for now, im keeping it short, simple and sweet
lol

go to ubuntu
its SP also…

it support burning audio cds in .cda format?
ubuntu drives me friggen nuts!

Linux for Human Beings… with Disabilities

every single person ive had tried ubuntu reformatted back to windows in a single day
shes learning fedora at least

I like fedora

I like it too… but it's not for Human Beings with Disabilities

I have disabilities

man, nobody likes LFS… it's just a learning project…

Renich, I love LFS :p
only reason im not running it on this machine is time taken to maintain

you mean like… using it?

properly planned out, you get a HELLUVA lot better of performance out of an LFS build
the only other distro that can compare in the end is Gentoo

find . -iname '*.rpmnew' | while read f; do echo mv $f ${f%.rpmnew}; done

yeah, thanks

My | key dosent work

the horror

man, time to go back to M$

It does

then how did you type that pipe?

bad keymap then

copy paste

I if I have a folder with files in it and I mount a filesystem under that folder all the files dissappear

can I fix that?

now if I unmount, do the original files return (they aren't deleted)??

alex[slx]: thats how mount works

awesome

yes, identify your keyboard's map and configure it

I want to mess around with NFS for /home/

ok

hey! it worked! thanks!

And another one bites the dust, and another one bites the dust. and another one gone and another one gone another one bites the dust
uAnd another one bites the dust, and another one bites the dust. and another one gone and another one gone another one bites the dust/u

http://www.woralelandia.com/blog/2007/08/12/rpmnew-substitution/

Renich, they don't show up that often.
i've been ticked off by rsnapshot doing it though

ever upgraded tetex???

how can i change the splash image when booting?

el_dan, which one? the grub one or the 'loading' screen?

mmm loading screen
both !!!! P

Renich, ok, another gnomer question for ya. video player recommendation?
comparible to the features and usability of kaffeine

moitoius is there an application or just copy an image somewhere?

Totem with illegal plugins

grub boot screen must be 14 color, 640×480 and in xpm.gz format

totem ? xine ?

s/illegal/grayzone/
xine is my favorite

el_dan, as far as the grub one goes, you will find it in /boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz
el_dan, but you will need to log in as root to change that file

ahh, forgot that xine is non-desktop dependent (well.. neither are kaffeine and totem if we want to get technical)
xine works

yeah

el_dan, i really have no idea about the loading screen, but i will scratch around

thanks

you get so used to using your own preferred apps you forget about all the others out there
and Morning/Evening/Afternoon to ya Anvil

anybody here is a Mugshot user?

el_dan, you can help by scratching around in /etc/init.d/, but don't change anything.

ok

I did a yum update from FC5 to FC6 and then from FC6 to FC7. All is well, except udev freezes on startup when I boot with the latest FC7 kernel. I've gone back to an FC6 kernel for now — everything else works fine. udev appears to freeze in udevsettle. Any ideas what might be the cause?

Hi

hi

moitoiius usplash makes that for you but is for ubuntu
moitoius

How do I set the pass key for my laptop.. I searched for bluetooth devices from a blackberry and it found my laptop and asks for a passkey

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq?highlight=%28yum%29%7C%28upgrade%29

anyone has any idea ?

kdeuser^: I had one once… lost it…

heh..

el_dan, yeah, erm, i'll just keep scratching around in the init scripts

kdeuser^: and… what's a laptap?

sorry laptop

where on the FAQ should I be looking? did i miss something on the FAQ? I already made sure my volumes were labeled

and the udev thingy?

i think that may be it
i found the line in rc.sysinit, line 333, i'll keep looking
rhgb is your friend

as far as I can tell, there is no explicit mention of udev anywhere on the FAQ page you pointed me to.

hey, wait a second! there was this command!… I remember!

./configure command always fails many times ending with: configure:3501: checking how to run the C preprocessor

el_dan, you are going to have to look for the sources for rhgb
el_dan, i don't have them

Hmm, the howto says I should run "quotacheck -avug" weekly to refresh the quota database. However, when I do, it says Quota is active, and refuses to run??

ammm

el_dan, I will have a look for them

ha

mep

i'm just glad my vpn actually works.

clear
exit

grrrr

how do I forward NAT traffic (raw traffic) with iptables ?

i just want a simple boot-cd which gives my puter an ip-address and that fires up a ssh-server

i want to know that one myself

can't be THAT hard to get something like that.

i think you have to add a new chain

does anyone know how to empty kde's "trash can" from the console im so low on space I can't start kde.

iptables -A [for add] "name_of_chain" -f port … something like that

do they got a gentoo install handbook for installing gentoo for a dual boot format? cuz i have windows already installed… or does it matter if i make the boot partition has /dev/hda2?

yeah except it'd have to have a static password, which is not something most people are ok with

the handbook mentions what to do if you are unfortunate enough to have windows also

clepto just install gentoo onto whatever partition(s) is/are empty

ok well it called for a /boot partition which i didnt make.. but im going to…

i don't care - i have a gfx-less box lying around i want to install gentoo on. so if i get it up and running it would get secured properly.

the boot partition is pretty irrelevent

Wa_Fu_Sheng, I know but i need to set (protocol) -p * or something some way? any ides?

i have about 14 gigs free altogether
oh

use at least a separate /home

you should be able to boot the gentoo livecd and start sshd and set the password without looking at the prompt if you type well

netcom, I forgot what else
if i was on gentoo or linux in general right now i could tell u

if you have loads of space i recommend separate /home /usr /tmp /var /var/portage and /usr/portage you might want lvm/mdadm but i never bother

i forgot to meantion: i don't have keyboard/mouse for it either - the mobo got hosed when i did some roughhousing with my cellar-stuff xD

hmmm

er 14G isn't enough for that, nm

i can understand most of those needing to be separate but why a separate /var/portage and /usr/portage?

well you can symlink /var/portage/tmp to /tmp
portage tree and distfiles Wa_Fu_Sheng

anyone wanna help me with /etc/conf.d/net ?

Wa_Fu_Sheng, I found this line "The protocol name can be prefixed by a `!', to invert it, such as `-p ! TCP' to specify packets which are not TCP." but ! doesnt work at all

and how big should each of those be (percentage of proportion to one another)? for me my /usr (which is symlinked as /opt also) is the biggest, then /, then /tmp and /var, then /home, then /boot smallest

try net.example, check the options and ask specific questions - i'm sure there will someone be here willing to help you

netcom I dunno. as i said, i haven't tried a gentoo installation since 2005

my problem is, when I use wpa_supplicant with conf.d/net, it no longer does dhcpcd on network start

sounds cool Wa_Fu_Sheng

k

but i hope to get back to working on it again

instead I have to manually type dhcpcd eth1 , etc.

allow about 15G for portage or use tmpwatch/eclean
er for /usr sorry

hmmm

about 10 max for portage
mine is 5 but i haven't cleaned it yet

yeah my /usr is always my biggest and my portage folders got used so badly i had to move them over into /usr by symlinking them (read: kludge lol)

10 for /var/tmp should manage OOo

same when i was using debian with .deb's

heh
emerge tmpwatch aiui

tho i did not compile alot of source
what is aiui ?
i shoulda used tmpwatch more aggressively

sorry, never worked with wpa_supplicant till now

as i understand it

though i'm gonna setup a network next week, so may i'll be able to answer you then

wtf ???
lol

hehe
SCNR ;P

ok now WTF is "wtf" besides the obvious lol

that worked
now I'm going to update gtk-engines-qtcurve

you might need to fsck your fs first, Wa_Fu_Sheng

ROFLMAO

who needs to fsck their friends?

LMAO

er i beg your pardon, Gentle`?

with some of my female friends i wouldnt mind that lol

oh man i am in so much trouble
can we calm it please?
*ahem*

there's nothing funny about a bad fsck trashing your existing data

this is true

now please, don't let the operators see igli made us quote some fscking jokes about fscking unfunny things, yes?

and if he's setting up his part's he may well need to check his fs
gee thanks Gentle`
hehe

fsck should NOT trash good data. if your filesystem's fsck trashes good data, you must be running reiser.

?
it connected on its own?

yay!
your network is up i take it lufthanza_?

honestly i didnt even know fsck would even try to trash data

yes

or good data at that

don't know why
maybe wpa just takes forever to fully associate

hmm

it shouldn't but Reiser4….oh never mind

hahahahahaha

nfc about wifi sorry

ok ok ok ..
i liked ReiserFS tho … i still use it on debian
not 4 tho i think

run wpa_supplicant in non-daemon mode
and check

heh i know too many people who got bit
nice for portage tree tho

but ReiserFS v3 is fine right ????

true

that's what i use and no problems there yet

it's a source of much debate, Wa_Fu_Sheng

hmmmm
so what could cause a problem when using ReiserFS version 3?

well Reiser3 is supposedly 'stable'

because i am fairly sure i dont have 4
if that jerk hadnt probably killed his wife we might have a better FS
is anyone going to take over development of ReiserFS 4?

murderfs

fellow inmates?

LOL

isn't it still allegedly?

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=179796 has discussion on reiser3 if you want background

[R]: yes, yes it is

LMAO @ murderfs
ty igli

ricerfs, Wa_Fu_Sheng?
yw

lol i am not really asian ya know

i think he killed her

that wasn't my joke Wa_Fu_Sheng

i just picked a cool-sounding name tho huh

#gentoo-chat please
nah Wu-Fu.. would've been cool

well this has me baffled
anyone wanna take a look at my conf.d/net and see what I'm doing wrong?

How come when I run emerge -uDNavp world portage is trying to install some new packages I haven't heard of and don't think I need.

nopaste if someone wants to look (and knows about wifi) they will lufthanza_

cuz something you have installed depends on something, that depends on them

(that's not protocol for the rest of IRC mind)

add a t to that, and see what's pulling them in.

ah… thought I had the t… my bad

man that -t stuff is hard to parse
i know it's reversed

here is my conf.d/net if anyone is interested in helping: http://pastebin.com/m53bc0d25
did anyone reply? my net went down for some reason

are you trying to do wireless over wired as well?

no

don't ask if someone wants to help, just give a explanation of what you are trying to do and what actually happens, pasting a conf like that without context is confusing, if anyone knows how to help they'll speak up

hey guys, having some trouble setting up my PC as a router

i already did

eth1 is your wireless interface, correct?. eth0 is your ethernet one ?

yes

The live cd install method doesn't seem to recognize my network device. How can I get support on for the device so I can continue with the install?

i can post my wpa_supplicant.conf too if you need that

ok, why do you need dhcpcd in the modules section? Do you have a good reason for config_eth0 being null?

wireless, or wired?

pity

so it doesn't bother me trying to connect when it has no connecting cord

Skunky, Neither seem to work. lsmod shows my wireless as Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG which is quite common and shouldn't have any problems. The gigabit ethernet is Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B

modules=("wpa_supplicant") should be sufficent instead of what's written, no?

the wired should work. wireless on the livecd is problematic, at best.

yes, I had hoped adding dhcpcd might give it the idea I wanted dhcpcd run after wpa but my hopes were dashed

but, if you wanna install gentoo, you don't need a gentoo livecd, any livecd will do.

oh and remove those dhcpcd_eth1 entries
that whole line
that's the problem

ok, testing

The only other one I have at this point is Sabayon, networking is fine on it.

also you might be interested in ifplugd
mzbot, gentoo lufthanza_ ifplugd

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=4&chap=6

I didn't see in the handbook how to use a different livecd for this install.

it's still not using dhcpcd after loading the network
i'll look into it

tstrimple, uhh
tstrimple, boot Sabayon
open root term
follow doc

does a manual dhcpcd eth1 work?

yes, that's the only way i'm able to reach the internet right now

hi, i have a wired network but i'm trying to add in a wireless laptop by using a linksys wireless router to sort of act as a bridge between wired and wireless, so i have wireless turned off and nothing plugged int

rafb paste your fixed conf.d net

errr…ignore that

k

teach tstrimple alt install

alternate install: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/altinstall.xml

im having trouble getting unreal tournament 2004 to install which room do you guys suggest going to?

#gentoo-games ?

LOL
ty

http://pastebin.com/m11e98dc2

Thanks

If I got a dime everytime a gamer said "LOL ty"…

lolz!11 ;P

oh stfu
..

hehe

hahaha

teehee

any other messages on booting eg. waiting for eth1 to start

hrm :/ how would I go about installing this?
http://jbnote.free.fr/prism54usb/index.html
i don't really get what it wants me to do under the Code section.

http://pastebin.com/m31ff3a76

Gentle` what are you doing with dd that it is taking so long?

dhcp renewal may take some time…

mind your tab completion

it didn't use to when I was using iwconfig

hahahahahahha how did u know i was doing that

I have an… unusual problem. I'm trying to install Gentoo on a laptop whose only connection to the outside world is a USB WiFi dongle that the LiveCD doesn't recognize (but I have successfully used it in linux based hosting services before). What are my
options?

networkless install

did you try ndiswrapper

on a LiveCD?

sure
what livecd you got

minimal

heh

hrm

I can go burn a universal if needed

knoppix seespotrun?

i used the Knoppix liveCD

hey, that's an idea

yeah it's the boom imo

let me give that a shot

doesn't Gentoo also have a LiveCD ?

that'll tell me more about this laptop and how well the videocard will play in modern Linux too

Knoppix comes with many drivers installed if those don't work, you can always use ndiswrapper on that

eix knoppix gives a nice util for tricky X configs

I'm getting an error when updating world on kde-base/kdelibs. Can anyone help?

did you just do expat?

expat?

DOH!

friendly12345:

what's the error?

i found out what was wrong using wpa_cli

might you know what this is actually doing? http://pastebin.com/md348ea0

it's several lines.. plus im in tty and i don't know how to copy/paste

does your mouse work?

for some reason it fails to connect to my network several times before it actually makes it

emerge kdelibs | wgetpaste (emerge wgetpaste first if you don't have it)
what;s tla?

wait… will Knoppix be happy with 64MB RAM?

well, it was on here http://jbnote.free.fr/prism54usb/

hmm
then no

it'll boot, but that's about it. I don't expect the GUI to run very well

also, how is ATI M4 / Rage 128 support in modern X?

working

you won't need GUI much anyway, just use terminal

good roothorick

I remember it being troublesome in the Xfree 3.x series
but we've come a long way
cool

yup

wow, you have the same video card I do :O

old card? probably be fine. 2d support works pretty much anywhere

I doubt that, unless you're on a Dell Inspiron 8000 laptop

Meh, almost the same. still RAGE 128 series though

gentoo will cane it, but you might want to set up a desktop as BINHOST

can you elaborate on that?
3D would be nice but really isn't necessary

http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/html/default-linux/x86/All/ is a gentoo binhost roothorick
ie binary pkgs

Anyone have experience installing islsm drivers?

but you'd need another machine running gentoo for that roothorick
(if you wanted custom USE that is)

you think RAM might become a hindrance with compiling?

im torn between trying to install a new kernel or just keep my current working kernel…

i'm wondering how big the hd is more roothorick

it's a PIII-M 850, it certainly has the muscle to do a stage1 unaided

this doesn't seem to be doing anything..?

oh. 40GB, I had to replace it to get anything working

its only one 2.6.* larger

oops, i'm used to nopaste, but it has much larger deps

then agian i'll need to recompile nvidia kqemu etc

I mean, the 40GB is what I put in there. It originally had a 10GB that had serious issues

anyone know how to pipe to wgetpaste?
module-rebuild
should be fine, but compiles will be slow if you're running X

that'll auto do it all for me?
neato

yup

what a great app

I'm seriously considering a RAM upgrade, I can get it all the way to 512MB and that will run me $66-ish

that's gentoo for ya, Obnautikus
do it, and it'll be sweet

i wanna kiss whoever makes apps liek that

any chance I could get Firefox to boot on it with its current specs?

hello all. Can anyone tell me if anyone has an ebuild for the R Procedural Language for Postgresql called PL/R (http://www.joeconway.com/plr/doc/index.html)?

johnm@gentoo.org and FuzzyRay

or openoffice for that matter?

ugh
i wouldn't

it's going to be my work comp
so if it can't run OOo I'm in trouble

if you do a binhost you've got much more chance
but OOo no way imo
buy the RAM man

okay
now that I know everything is working nicely

should i try and grab nopaste then?

it took me $260 and ~8 hours of work to get it to boot anything at all

one sec i'll look up wgetpaste options; try man wgetpaste

no manual entry

wgetpaste –help ?
just waiting for update -i wgetpaste to resolve (i don't have it)

just options

sheesh that's tricky innit?
it works here with emerge -pv blah | wgetpaste ?

maybe my connection's just borked or something

ok
well kdelibs takes a long time to build

(wgetpaste) # if you want to see output

er gah
that won't work

how long does emerge xfce4 take?

wgetpaste

emerge kdelibs|tee (wgetpaste)

should boot partition be ext2? all examples in the handbook show it being ext2 and everything else being ext3

yeah

i dont think i would want to use ext3 for boot at all

add a /home partition tho krzee

thx

if something happens like a corrupted journal with ext3 your boot partition gets screwed up and u cant get in

generally make sure it's a filesystem that you compiled into your kernel so you can get to it if your system starts to blow up

besides, you dont need ext3 on /boot because it would hardly be updated or in much use during a crash
yeah what root said too

ext2 is usually chosen for its proven rock-solid stability

hmm well something seems to be working

dont think ill want /home but ill want /var and /usr, this will mostly be a mailserver and my vpn endpoint, ill be the only user
cool thank you =]

ok yw

15 minutes maximum

hmm

:O

im looking forward to learning the gentoo way of doing things, ive been a long time fbsd user

* 29 in total woah

have you noticed any major differences which you do/do not like?

er, is ethernet basically plug and play by using dhcpcd?

hmm, im getting an error "nothing was recieved"

well the lack of an installer strikes me as odd, i cant comment beyond that yet

most of the time

ah well off it goes

neat

that's the initiation

you need a pluggyplace in the back of your computer though, right? :O

lol

if you can't make it thru that, gentoo ain't for you :p

"ethernet card"

unless you're using GLI ofc

no, the Matrix is in place for that purpose

:O

igli, nice, looks like ill like this os/channel
=]

hmm I guess it is kind of 'odd', but it is virtually failproof as opposed to most GUI installers

hrm. i need one of 'em "ethernet cards"

hm, when i use irrecord to record my remote's buttons, a couple buttons have the same code
like zoom and play/pause
is this normal?

i recommend #gentoo-chat as well, you'll need a break from here

hehe

I ordered 2 256MB sticks known to work with my laptop. That'll max out its RAM capacity and hopefully give my some smoother cruising than what you were predicting

er, can anyone confirm whether "emerge islsm" works?

friendly12345, ya and its not a biggie, i wont be installing often, using the os after the install will be what matters

yeah it will, my desktop runs nice on 512 roothorick

mine does too
but half a gig of VRAM and a decent proc helps a lot too

anyone have problems with gcc 4.1.2 and the latest glibc?

mine runs nice on 3GB of ram

-falign helps me roothorick

my next desktop will have 2GB and three extra slots to go up to a max of 8GB

i can do 16GB in mine

but that's years down the road

4 x 4GB sticks

try 4 x 1TB sticks :O

ffs

maybe, someday, that will be a reality :O

most people don't have more than 1TB TOTAL DISK SPACE right now

ido..

"psh, you have 16gb? loser."

my server will have a mere 1.2TB once I get the upgrades

:O

i've got about 5TB of space

1 TB drives are about $500 i believe

97% full

4

hm

4 400GB drive RAID5 for 1.2TB total storage

i get 500GB drives for $80

:O
:/

needless to say, it'll be years before I upgrade again

:O yeah

I have about 1/2 TB right now on my desktop

i've got more
:P

hehehehehe :O

hahahaha

i've got 30gb in my desktop

640 here, 2 x 320's

hell i have that just in my laptop and another 100gb yet to upgrade soon

1 20gb and another 10gb drives :O

if i can ever find where the heck i packed it away at

#gentoo-chat will welcome you Wa_Fu_Sheng, and roothorick, the other two are already there

loll
okokok

okay, I'll be quiet now
I have more important things to do anyway

no just /join the other room ffs

Where am I supposed to extract the stage3 tarball? It isn't quite clear on that. Does it go on the root filesystem too?
Or does it just need a temporary home

tar xvjpf stage3-* -C /mnt/gentoo.

thanks

in the chroot iow tstrimple
er chroot dir that is

so if im making 5 partitions in addition to boot and swap, should all 5 be extended partitions, and only boot and swap be primary? from what i know the answer would be yes…

mind doing me a quick favor?

dunno if / needs to be primary tho..
i would assume it doesnt matter because once the kernel is loaded from /boot it shouldnt matter if its primary or logical, is that right?

yup that's right

later

thx
im remote so its best i check these things =]

I recommend you go for one boot and one lvm pv though

http://suseforums.net/index.php?showtopic=5857 ———————— on post in that thread wtf is he saying he did in fstab?
*second post
something about a sub mount

portage still down?

maybe not
wiki's up

rss is up
can't sync though

want to do me a quick favor?

I think he meant supermount

depends on the favor

can you find out if "emerge -pf islsm" works

Hey I got a question… everytime im connect via ssh Im getting this error that it can't find known_hosts
so i've tried to remerge the pacakge.. but its hard masked?

why are you trying to prune islsm?

hi. is there a live CD for x86? can't find it in the download list. only i686 and amd64.

pretend?
p4r0l3 i thought emerge -p was pretend

hehe my bad, it's much too late into the night
you're right
no ebuild to satisfy islsm

damn :/

vice-versa: would you have any idea what the solution hes hinting to is?

seriously.. what happened to ssh?
#Masked for remove from tree. ??

try openssh

does emerge -pf tla work?

that I have, but im sorry.. is there a diffrence between the two?
in hwo they are used?

Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16: Device or resource busy.
The kernel still uses the old table.
The new table will be used at the next reboot.

'ssh' is commercial afaik

there a way to reload that without a reboot? im remote and admins are gone for the night
or shall i just wait til tomorrow?

why not just reboot?

he is remote.

you have to close everything using the drive, including swap

no, but the export SETUP_CDROM=/media/dvd comment may be of some use

ah :O

ahh

then it can reread. if your rootfs is on the drive, reboot is the only way

swap was the issue
thanx

hmm ok so ssh still works the same way, however .. would you happen to knwo why im getting this

Anyone have experience with islsm drivers?

Failed to add the host to the list of known hosts (/home/broken/.ssh/known_hosts).

can't write to that file for some reason

check permissions

It doesn't exist.
lol

the dir .ssh doesnt exist?

check that ~/.ssh exists.. can't open a file in a dir that doesn't exist

Which i have no idea why..

is there space on the hd?

well as a normal user, permission is denied to that folder, is that normal?

do you have perms to write in /home/broken if .ssh doesnt exist?

it does exist
known_hosts does not.

who owns .ssh?

well it is under my user.
however permission is denied.
broken@home ~ $ cd ~/.ssh/
cd: /home/broken/.ssh/: Permission denied

show me ls -l /home/broken/.ssh
you prolly used ssh after sudo

total 0

and made the dir with root
show me ls -l /home/broken/|grep .ssh

shows up nothing.

take out the .
oh oh

nothign.

show me ls -la /home/broken/|grep .ssh
hehe

9

heh
chmod 700 .ssh
dirs need +x

why did this just suddenly happen

entering a dir is executing it
ild guess you did a chmod 600 .ssh
or someone/something did…

lol
Now its permantley adding them, so thats good.
thx.

np
Triffid_Hunter, that worked =]

morning

Firefox, misbehaves when it comes to flash.. heh.
sup

ive heard people in #ubuntu complain about that too, in all cases ive seen it wasnt firefox but was actually what the people installed to handle flash
(yes i use ubuntu dual boot on my macbookpro :-p )

i used the wrapper.
(64 bit system)

I have filled my partition with built packages from portage. How do I most conveniently examine which packages take up how much space?
Or is there a way to automatically unmerge packes where are not dependent on world?

you can cd to /usr/portage/packages/ALL and do ls -l|less or browse around with whatever you like to use there.
you can also try and remove the -b option in make.conf and emerge will stop building packages..

Sorry I meant to remove the built packages.
Oh sorry my terminology isn't great, I mean to say installed packages.

To sort certain files in the directory and to show
the biggest file first, do
$ du -a | sort -n -r | more

rm does a good job at removing things if you don't mind command line; there are _TONS_ of gui filemanagers about.

hardcampa, try qsize

uh, you need a bigger hard drive ’tis all.

i mean harlequin516

My entire partition contains only the genkernel stuff and the portage installed packages. I want to unmerge the ones I don't use and the ones that are no longer dependent on world.
Yeah, I know size solves everything

on the live CD, if i click recommended layout, it doesn't write that table instantly does it? i closed it, reopened it, and its the same table

qsize?

harl, emerge -C or –unmerge is how you unermerge stuff.

harlequin516, qsize pkgname, will tell you package size

Yeah qsize seems to be what I need, though I guess I have to make some tough decisions.
uYeah qsize seems to be what I need, though I guess I have to make some tough decisions./u

oh now thats anoying…
my laptop powered off for no aparent reason while i was compiling the kernel…
bah im just going to start over

anyone have quick access to a terminal?

um yeah whats up?

can you do me a favor? try "emerge -pf islsm_usb" and see if it works

oh heh sorry im not in gentoo at the moment

oh :O

im trying to install it

heh, thanks

sucker crashed while compiling the kernel so i am starting all over again

:O
are you using liveCD?

yeah

probably overheated.. laptops are notorious for having hopelessly inadequate cooling

well no actually
im using the minimum
yeah im suspecting thats the case
and im new to gentoo so its taking me alot of work to figure all this out…
i was weaned on fedora and the like
never had to compile my own kernel

hi guys
I have an apache2 init script but when I reboot the server host this service doesn't start

I'm using fedora at work atm.. desktop part seems to work, although I had to manually set up most of the package manager's internals before it would let me install anything

when you manually run the script does it start?

but when I execute it manually the service works pretty well
krzee, yes

hehe, yeah, compiling is fun

well so far i kinda like the modularity of gentoo

Kalavera maybe something in your /etc/conf.d/apache2 is making it angry?

but its way complicated

Triffid_Hunter, what I need to review in /etc/conf.d/apache2?

and im using an older laptop

yeah, but that's because you're seeing all the choices that can be made rather than all the ones your distro designed decided wasn't too confronting for the target audience
designer*

and my only point of referance is this for the hardware http://www.psychosis.net/evo-linux/

have you had any luck in wifi?

i have a prism chipset pcmcia card that uses hostap drivers so no problems yet

ah, lucky :O

im using my ethernet connection becuase its faster right now though

hehe

Kalavera, have you looked through logs to see if they give an indication?

anyone else have a open gentoo terminal?

I don't see any error on logs

I find it a bit boring to su into root everytime i wanna do things to bring up my wifi and etc, but is there a good reason i shouldnt chown those files to regular user ?

are you remote or can you see it booting?

so, on conf.d/apache2 I see graceful I changed it to restart
I am remote

http://tinyurl.com/2kveor best damn wifi card ever made

but I am rebooting the server at this moment

clepto, the 500mW alfa?

Senao NL-2511cd ext2 (super)
nah its 250 MW

Kalavera, how about start

well doesn't work

says emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "islsm_usb".

*

blast
gotta do it the HARD way then
thanks a bunch, though, Triffid_Hunter

what, check bugs.gentoo.org and write an ebuild if there's nothing?

gentoo-wiki down again or just ultrapopulated ?

will linux-wlan-ng drivers work with iwconfig / other Linux wireless tools / kismet?

No idea how to write a ebuild :O

because for my particular dongle I don't have any other option unless I feel like messing with ndiswrapper

roothorick, what chipset it is?

have to install "tla" or something now, and i have no idea what "tla" is or how to install it :O

Prism 2 (USB)

it's about as easy as compiling things manually.. few articles on gentoo wiki and gentoo.org, hit google cache if it's down

i think it should be up
just slow :

rebooting . . .
I see squid starts ok any form to do squid starts apache?

god Knoppix is slow

:O
are you trying to get wifi?

yes

why not use ndiswrapper?

that would involve trying to find a driver for this dongle, which I'm not too crazy about. I've also never used it before

hermes ~ # cat /var/log/apache2/startuperror.log
Syntax OK

I only see that after rebooting

do you have the cd that came with your thingamajig?

no

hmm. what kinda thing do you have?

stupid question here but in fdisk what is ext3 file system listed as?

D-Link DWL-122 USB WiFi adapter

I think as Linux

roothorick

clepto:

kk

i'm using D-LINK DWL-120 USB WiFi adapter :O

when I do that /etc/init.d/apache2 status I see this status: started
but I don't see apache working

seespotrun, tried zd1211 driver?

Any reason why after emerging fluxbox "exec startfluxbox" wouldn't work (on a brand new install)?

seespotrun, you trying to break wep with this or just get wifi working?

just to get my system recognizing the thing
which it absolutely refuses to do

?
seespotrun, tried zd1211 driver?

and i fogot a G in there, it's DWL-G120

oh

not yet

then its not prism2

it is
prism54 chip

prism2 is b only

seriously?

in any case, zd1211 didn't work for me

i'm pretty sure it has prism54

well prism54 != prism2

Hrm. the windows driver is prisma02.inf, so maybe i thought that it was it

heh

trying to use the islsm drivers, but i have no idea how you work the thing :/

The DWL-G120 is based on the GlobespanVirata PRISM GT chipset
from a quick google

ISLAM DRIVERS?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dwl-g120+chipset&btnG=Google+Search

islsm?

morning

because that's the wrong command

which rev. is it tho?

b1

ya its prism GT usb

drazak, what's the right one?

~/.xinitrc

that's all you truely need

drazak, ah, the wiki host lies

yes

meh, the prism54 drivers should work

drazak, but wondering, fluxbox doesn't pull in xorg-x11 right?
Or does it not need it

'startx'
that runs your .xinitrc and starts xorg-x11

can you make sense out of these directions? http://jbnote.free.fr/prism54usb/index.html

seespotrun, http://www.mepislovers.org/forums/showthread.php?p=69897

just been reading that, it says the driver is still shaky at best

drazak, then no, I emerged fluxbox on a fresh install and startx was not found, I am emerging xorg-x11 on his comp then

oh, you meant in portage

drazak, indeed

you need firmware as well as the kernel module

They're all I got, however :O

drazak, thanks anyway

Can someone help me get my laptop specific buttons to work, not sure what i need or where to start, i have the minmal kde installation

I've tried ndiswrapper, emerge prism54-firmware, configuring kernel, but none have worked so far

it only depends on some of the libs, not on xorg-x11 itself
IE. so you could use xfree86

drazak, hm?

it doesn't actually depend on xorg-x11

hi

it only depends on a few libs from it, so you could possibly use xfree86

drazak, I am unaware of what xfree86

it's an alternative to xorg-x11
it's not quite as developed however

ive got a x86_64 pci-system with an netgear wg311t. i installed madwifi-ng and wirelesstools, and setup my kernel with wireless suport. the dev appears in lspci, udev loads a driver, but there is no device shown. neither with ifconfig nor with iwconfig.

drazak, oh well, it's ok I'll xorg him, haha

nothing in ifconfiga -a?
er, ifconfig, not ifconfiga, hah

said so.

no, you said in ifconfig, not ifconfig -a

*sigh*

anyways, is the kernel module in lsmod?
and if so, is it bound to the right device?

sec…
just rebooting the sys

hi, can i see somehow which packages i have installed?

How can I start a program (i.e. Azureus) over ssh and have it run on the sshed machine?

ssh HOST 'command'
or

drazak, thanks again

ssh host, then start a screen session

btdownloadcurses.py ftw

if you need to do something in the program first the first option is bad

for x-progs you need to have x11-forwarding enabled.

oic, azureus is x, wasn't sure

i have a question, im still working on the disk in the install process… http://pastebin.com/m3f0a7fde

ichdasich, I don't need that, I just want it to start there, not use it there
…. er here

no idea why it is mounting 143G as sda3 when fdisk shows I only made 5G for sda3

does blacklist work in gentoo?

then you need to export $DISPLAY correctly

ichdasich, I don't get why, I basically want it to start in my home machine, then stop my ssh session and leave it running

oh scratch that
i figured it out, sorry for asking so soon

heh

i had made the filesystem before repartitioning, had to remake the filesystem again

that would help
i knew there was something missing

Do you have any idea how I would go about installing that driver?

hi to all i have a intelDG965WH motherboard, and after grub setup and reboot, the system don't boot. some other with same problem?

what error?

No bootable devices — insert boot disk and press any key

right

but i setup usually with root (hd0,0)
setup (hd0)

did you set the partition as bootable?
some motherboards are picky about that

argh! no
i set now

hehe

that might help
some motherboards just go with the first partition

is there a place where I can get "Running Gentoo Linux" case stickers?

:O

cafepress

where's it running to?

do they make actual case badges though?
as opposed to flimsy paper stickers

I think so?

hi drazak

hi kash

I don't see anything appropriate in a quick search.

the hell? the guy apparently has a 802.11b version of my adapter? how does that work

le sigh
http://www.cafepress.com/officialgentoo/618147

i've compiled and loaded the tun module, but i can't seem to use the tun0 interface…i've created the net.tun0 symlink

I saw that. 5" by 3" is far too big for a case badge.

well that's the only place I can think of.

what's a case badge :O

you know those "Intel Inside" stickers or "Designed for Microsoft Windows XYZ" stickers you see on off-the-shelf computers all the time? Those are case badges.

oh, neat :O

yeah, I want a Gentoo case badge for my laptop

http://ztechshop.net/badges/index.php?pagenum=2

where does gentoo get the network interface information from?

1" x 1"

nice.

udev

Can someone help me get my volume buttons on my laptop work, dont know where to start

and, how can someone with the exact usb id as the wireless card have 802.11b instead of 802.11g

majorjrk, check the wiki for multi-media keys

network stuff is /etc/conf.d/net

kernel panic - not syncing: no init found. try passing init= option to kernel what can be the problem?

i thought those were unique

drazak, after a emerge system, init must be in the system, right?

hm

2 reasons, either you're using genkernel and didn't specify realroot, or you didn't specify root

i specifyed root=md3

root must be a device node

ok

ie /dev/hda3, /dev/sdb2 etc…

hrm. do ethernet cards need configuration?
or are they mostly plug and play

hmm, so i have to map em myself, with kde on ubuntu it worked default, so my guess is i just miss some packages..

what could i check if I can't telnet to my local system via ssh. or telnet is refussing connetion when I am logged in from renote. thanks..

transient, i spec bad boot device
sorry
now works

anyone have experience with tom lord's arch

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=5#doc_chap1 should have a 5a saying where on the livecd stage3 would be

hrm

quit

whats wrong with you?

there… irssix is much happier now

its been going for about 20 hours now

irssix??

Small byte count, I guess.

yes -_-
— idiot

next n hours go to emerge gcc

!!! BAD COUNTER in 'sys-apps/portage-2.1.2.2' \ !!! COUNTER data is corrupt in pkg db. The values need to be \ !!! corrected/normalized so that portage can operate properly \ !!! A simple solution is not yet available so try #gentoo on IRC
Anyone have any experience with that?

neopetius

im with seespotrun

Does `emerge portage` work?

anyone still used 'gem' lately?

I've decided to move this computer upstairs :O

that's what comes up when I run 'emerge portage'

ill move this comp downstairs then

so I can have ethernet :O

I see.
How about `emerge –sync`?

'emerge –sync' suggests I run 'emerge portage'

this computer has no ethernet, however… if I transfer a card from another computer, should it be nearly plug & play internet with dhcpcd?

Nice feature. So what happened to your system that might have caused this?
Ought to be, yes.

neat

I'm not sure… I've just been walking through the handbook installing on my laptop

:O
i've learned the hard way that linux does not forgive
typing errors and the like

It's a new system? In that case, did unpacking the stage3 tarball succeed completely?

this error is occurring when 'emerge portage' tries 'merging sys-apps/portage-2.1.2.12 to /'
I believe so
if this is not something you've seen/heard before, I'm tempted to just start over

Hm. will I have to reconfigure "net" if I use ethernet?

If it's not too much trouble. On the other hand, you might try in a more specialist Gentoo channel.

I'll try from scratch. Thanks for your help — I'll be back to ask for a specialist channel if it fails

Maybe there is a solution.
It's a known problem, despite what emerge itself says.

Do you have a link to a thread somewhere about it?

Still looking for one.

heh… thanks again for your help.

Please /join #gentoo-portage.

sure

How might I use a ebuild from bugs.gentoo.org?

was it really that hard to have slotted expat libs, so the users wouldn't be forced to recompile a lot of apps without previous notice? Just like having slotted gcc's

in short yes

one day you sync and bang, you find out you HAVE TO recompile a half of your system
uone day you sync and bang, you find out you HAVE TO recompile a half of your system/u

with ebuild?

lack of warning by portage is just one of a number of issues involved in this expat upgrade

well, it's a txt file now I guess
how do i make that into something emergeable?

I see; for now I just masked the new expat - I don't have any time to go through this

just like ebuild merge file
or something
ebuild man has all the info
ebuild file command.. ie. ebuid yahoo.ebuild merge

ah
i see
i'll check out the man

the merge command does, setup, compile, install, qmerge, you can do those one by one if u want
but the merge command is what u need i suppose

yeah
er, how do I download this ebuild?
it's at http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142651

just click and download?
some reason paste wont work on my screen and cant start X cuz im compiling gcc so i cant check that out

i see
well, there's a text file herre
do i save that as a certain type?

thats it
as an ebuild
its just a normal textfile i think

so, i should save it as (buildname).txt?

try to save it as a file.ebuid and try running ebuild file.ebuild setup ?

ah

buildname.ebuild

not to mention that I would have had no clue what to do if I hadn't come to irc; so is it irc a condition of running gentoo? shouldn't the expat matter be adressed by the GWN?

okay
ebuild file.ebuild merge, or ebuild file.ebuild setup

i havent a clue

im installin gentoo right now and emerge is telling me 3 configure files are in need of updat and when i do emerge –config it returns config can only take a single package atom at this time how do i resolve this?

well, try setup first…tho merge will stop if setup fails

etc-update

etc-update is a small frontend to do all them configs

emerge –config is a different system. You need a config file management utility like dispatch-conf or etc-update

wget http://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=117501 -O islsm-9999.ebuild

and if ur just doing instll its usually ok to just update all

drc822 neat, i'll read up on the man page a bit

There are pages on gentoo-wiki.com (an unofficial, user-editable site) that contain info on both these packages

i've never used ebuild.. thats what i just did

ah, neat

-O is outfile?

yep

are all of them islsm-9999?

aw crap now im even more confused

cause I see different ones, some crossed off

just run etc-update
its quite self-explanotary
(sorry for my spelling)

no idea, I just added that as the last item on the bug page (labelled "updated ebuild" or something) appears to be a download from git ebuild. These are generally give a very high version (ie: 9999) because they are straight from the source tree and not a specific release version

do u have ruby / gem installed?

now it returned 1) /etc/dispatch-conf.conf (1) Please select a file to edit by entering the coresponding number. (dont use -3 -5 -7 or -9 if your unsure what to do) and thats the only options it gives me

select a file by 1 2 or 3
then it gives u a listing of the file, q to quit and select if u want to update or not

ah, thanks, I was looking for the "updated ebuild" one. thanks a bunch for your help - and to use it, ebuild islsm-9999.ebuild setup should work?

ah ok

and if ur just on the install phase, im sure u can just copy the update over the existing one

yep, or ebuild islsm-9999.ebuild qmerge to install it fully

ah qmerge
afterwards, i can emerge islsm-9999 to install the driver?

ruby, rub-config & rubygems installed — probably for amarok, that's the only thing I know of on my system that uses ruby

its qmerge?
could u try gem install fcgi?

ok, to use emerge the ebuild needs to be place in a category in the portage tree (eg: sys-kernel) and then in a directory under that category (eg: sys-kernel/islsm)

qmerge only install the installed file to the filesystem
so i'd say merge does that all

the problem here is that portage will remove your changes to the portage tree at the next emerge –sync

:O
then, how would I go about installing this driver?

ebild file merge
ebuild even

so you need to create a local overlay and add your ebuild into there, in a category, then include the overlay in /etc/make.conf and then emerge it

:O
no clue on how to do that
how do I create a local overlay?

Why is this stage1 tarball missing /usr/share/zoneinfo?

why not just do ebuild file merge?

you can still use ebuild, read the man page on ebuild. emerge just calls ebuild for the various steps

there should be no stage1 file

what's ebuild file merge do?

I'll give fcgi a try (that's the package name)

ye
just need to know if it should take 3 hours before i quit it
or if its broken and whatnot

add PORTDIR_OVERLAY="/usr/local/portage" to your /etc/make.conf

so, ebuild islsm-9999.ebuild merge will install it?

that's news to me

so i'd think

where should I put the ebuild?

2007.0 still has a stage1, and /usr/share/zoneinfo is missing

no its doesnt

which ebuild ?

on my local mirror it does

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142651 kobazik

yeah? hmm.. mine doesnt
either way stage1 is no longer supported
its stage3 u need

why exactly?

well, it just isnt.. i dont know why
stage1 and 2 are used by the dev's when they build stage3

…stupid.

stage3

can i find an iso for amd 64 universal ono which io can resume download

I'd rather have a compiled-for-proc made from a stage1, is that a crime?

u can still start with stage1 if u want
well, it really doesnt help u any
just build the whole system again after ur done with stage3
i was meaning to do the same as u a few days ago, but then decided there really is no use
??

I disagree. I think -march=pentium3, et al helps a lot

i have a bug on a diskless node starttup

any ideas?

yeah, but u can do that

obviously no error, how can i print the EXACT execution order of init.d ?
it fail right after local

just rebuild the whole system if u want to

actualy maybe it works

check out a i686 minimal iso and start from there

is the minimal .iso the only available installer for amd64 ?

this box probably isn't the best to estimate compile times, it's only an old AthlonXP @ 2GHz

you didn't answer to me which ebuild ?

but i don't know

could be.. i dont know
hey, this is p600 with 64megs

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142651

i am looking at a installer that i can download and use in many systems

Hey would somebody try 'less /bin/bash' and tell me what's going on?

islsm-9999

u could get the minimal and package isos?

/bin/bash is an executable… not something you yourself read…

ok, emerging now, I'll let you know how it goes (got distcc switched on so the dual core intel in the lounge will help )

emerging? u mean gemming? or does that use emerge too?

I know, but it's spitting out plain text about Elf headers or something!

I don't see that behavior here…

maybe thats what i should do .

I just went emerge ruby-fcgi, that's not what you wanted?

blocks?

never liked the live cd's

no, gem install fcgi

ok, I'll give it a crack

emerge ruby-fcgi is quite different
i just need to know if the gem repo works or if my box is just so slow on that

but there seems to be no package iso for amd64

hmm.. well, then i really cant help you

I'm afraid I don't fully understand

there is a livecd amd64 atleast on .fi mirror

there ya go

how do i add something to X startup programs ?

.xinitrc
sorry majorjrk

hats fine , maybe i will go with the live cds , thought i dont really like thme . I wonder why would such an os with so much effort into it be void of something so simple.

well, u have the minimal and the live.. what else do u need?
u can start the live without X and what not

live is something which boots from the cd rinto the desktop right ?

well, yeah, but as i said, it has kernel options

something whch doesntboot into the desktop , but which has an installer from where you can install x and packages

ie. nox
then its the livecd installer
or minimal if u have a network connection on all boxes

Hi peeps. Does anyone know of a way to keep emerge's list of packages to be installed so that I can go fix something and then carry on from where I left off? Like with –resume, but I want to be able to use emerge in the meantime

put it into /usr/local/portage/net-wireless/islsm/islsm-9999.ebuild

mayeb i misunderstood . I thought the livecd is something like a ubuntu livecd where you have to boot into the desktop to install , which could be really slow

once I emerge'd fcgi it took about 2 seconds to do gem install fcgi

neat, and add PORTDIR_OVERLAY="/usr/local/portage" to /etc/make.conf

look at the livecd boot options

how can i stop init.d/modules too

imho there a nox clause that wont start X
but i still prefer the minimal

/usr/local/portage exists ofcourse

ok, thanx.. then there's something amiss on my system

so whats the problem ?

hmm? if I add that line, it should work?

it freezes on bulk something something

nice , yeah i would have gone with minial but i haveto install it on places where we have 128 kbps connection

"Bulk updating Gem source index for: http://gems.rubyforge.org" ?

what do you mean? if I add that, will it prevent –sync from changing back the settings?

yeah.. i think the livecdinstaller has the packages
yeah

add the line and mkdir -p /usr/local/portage

thank you drc822

tho, it was yesterday.. maybe the host was down
np

under make.conf?

and put islsm-9999.ebuild into /usr/local/portage/net-wireless/islsm/islsm-9999.ebuild

ah

could be that i have so little ram too

do I still have to change make.conf?

i'd need some more of this really old SOSDRAM

yes, add PORTDIR_OVERLAY="/usr/local/portage" to /etc/make.conf

http://pastebin.com/m21d556b5

then emerge, and it should work?
emerge islsm?

yep

or emerge islsm-9999

emerge islsm

cool! thanks a bunch for your help

what is that islam pack anyhow?

n/p

it's a driver for my wifi card :O

ok

and, how would I go about installing a .arm file?
it's firmware for the device as well :/

anyhow, im off again

is there a way to get ride of modules init ?

http://jbnote.free.fr/prism54usb/index.html

that's the one :O

check section regarding firmware

i use these, though
http://www.prism54.org/newdrivers.html

What should happen when I run "hpijs"?
My cups suddenly stopped working and it won't talk to my printer

the ebuild mentions prism54.org/filmware and gives several versions - do these versions have to be available or will they be downloaded?
under http://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=117501

Check the cups configuration. hpijs/hplip recently got updated and the update changed the way printers are referenced

hmmmm

damnit my laptop powered off again while compiling the kernel and i checked its not running real hot or anything… any ideas?

is there a way, or an app, that can create a snapshot/image of my linux based hosting services machine *while it's still running* ?

harddisk image?

yes
can dd do it while my machine's still running ?

I don't think that's possible unless you have one of those fancy new filesystems

again?

hehe, nah, just a simple ext3 FS

try putting some ice in a bag and wrapping a towel around that and put your laptop over it…
or put it over a surface with holes

does your laptop have any temperature sensors you can switch on with gkrellm? also, smartd ?

hmm i got the laptop lifted up on a cd jewel case so the fan is off the table
i dont think so its an old compaq evo n600c

how long is it taking to compile?

try getting one of them air pressure cans, and see if you can blow out some dust

fanspeed program does work on it in windows for the tempurature guage at least… it was going for a good 3 mins or so
the compile… when it starts powering off

yeah, removing dust can do wonders
my computer used to crash every 30 minutes or so

Hi peeps. Does anyone know of a way to keep emerge's list of packages to be installed so that I can go fix something and then carry on from where I left off? Like with –resume, but I want to be able to use emerge in the meantime

after a quick clean it's all good
try using a vaccum cleaner? or a brush or something
to remove the dust

is it posibile that seence the ebuild scripts are getting wors and wors in quality ?
i never had so much problems to update my system.
my laptop i can't update anymore too

hi! is it possible to restore files?

and now my PC

ok

i lose the trust to gentoo, i tought it is a quite good system but seence a few year it is getting quite bad

anyone ever have a problem updating mozilla-firefox to 2.0.0.6 and gnome-vfs FAILS to compile?

how so?

hi! is it possible to restore deleted files?

_quip lots of ebuilds fails in last time i have this impression
i tried to make a sysupdate and it fails al 10 packages

DarkRyu, ok now nothing is opening

but it is not my first update and normaly it runs good

DarkRyu, this happened to me before SHIT.. nothing wants to run

language.

sorry.

_quip: are the words libexpat involved?

generally not, especially with journaled filesystems

no it's not

how do i check to see if i can use temperature sensors in bash?

XML parser?

YES

whats this deal with libexpat? i've been hearing that alot? it happens on sync and sysupdate?

XML parser failed

err, what do you mean?

mzbot, teach _quip expat

expat-2.0.1 is not ABI compatible with earlier versions. Run the following in bash to fix: "emerge -n1 '=portage-2.1.2.12' portage-utils && emerge -qep world | grep –color=never -oFf (scanelf -plRBF '%F %n' | awk '/libexpat.so.0/{print $1}' | xargs qfile -qC | sort -u; echo -e
"libtool\ncurl") | xargs emerge -1". If a specific package fails, "/msg mzbot remerge-deep" for advice (gtk+/pango are common offenders).

well twice i have tried compiling the kernel i set up and both times my laptop has powered off during the compile

also see mzbot

friendly12345, that will help the problem?

people seem to think its over heating but i know ive seen it run hotter

i tried that

maybe check your power management settings in BIOS?

and now i get media-libs/libquicktime-0.9.10 failed

friendly12345, so running this, my XML Parser will be fixed?

that's a yes, most likely it will
rafb.net paste it

well its running off of AC so ACPI shouldnt be killing it right?

could that have something to do with the fact that emerge wants to install glibc and gcc all tho i have them installed and still it says they are [N]ew?

huiiii have to see if i have links or something like that

depends, most BIOSes can be configured to power off even on AC…you could also try acpi=off or acpi=on when booting the CD, basically flip what you've been trying

friendly12345, so if i just emerge XML hosting Parser, it won't fix anything correct?

am i the only one that has a broken subversion?

ie. if you've been booting with acpi=on try acpi=off and vice versa
define broken

indeed!

yes, that's right

ok

why not?

well, first i got the expat error, which is fixed now, but the last package subversion fails with: /usr/lib/libapr-1.so: undefined reference to `pthread_mutexattr_setprotocol@GLIBC_2.4'

also since it croaked in the middle of compling the kernal will it cause problems if i get to where i was and just do make && make modules_install again? or do i have to delete something?

linux tends to use space wherever it is or was available, not always in order or next to each other, so there's no practical way to piece files back together

er what was the question? is there are new glibc/gcc version out?

hello people

I say linux, because I don't know any filesystems other than fat where recovering deleted files is trivial

if i emerge sudo for once, it wants to emerge glibc and gcc and says that they are [N]ew
and i do have both of em installed

is it useful to do RHCE from job point of view ..if one is to be involved with Linux for all his career

so its not [u] but [n]

try ##linux
revdep-rebuild doesn't find anything broken?

i wanted to know take of gentoo community

friendly12345, it's currently running that whole line emerge -n1 '=portage-2.1.2.12' portage-utils && emerge -qep world | grep –color=never -oFf (scanelf -plRBF '%F %n' | awk '/libexpat.so.0/{print $1}' | xargs qfile -qC | sort -u; echo -e "libtool\ncurl") | xargs emerge -1
friendly12345, i hope this fixes it.. i have too many documents on this computer..

nope, the only thing it wants is subversion as of the expat error

sorry, this isn't a polling place, you could try #gentoo-chat though

what glibc and gcc versions?

i have no posibility to past

friendly12345, it didn't work.

mzbot, teach DarkRyu paste

Use http://rafb.net/paste or emerge wgetpaste. Pasting in #gentoo itself clutters the chat and will get you kicked by Naamah. Use the aforementioned site and hand us the URL so we can check it out.

well,i have 4.1.1 installed and it wants to install 4.1.2
about the same for glibc

well, you could try rebuilding apr I guess

there's nopaste as well

hi

so i doubt that sudo really needs that 0.1 upgrade

already been there

hmm

copy past does not work and i work in a console have after trieing to update my sys no X anymore

emerge wgetpaste or nopaste

i will try if i can compile that

ah, but I think it does

how come?
same goes for a lot of packages.. like xpdf and suspend2-userui

it's ext3

well I think that's what equery deptree is telling me, you might want check the ebuild itself just to be sure

how do i use wgetpaste. sorry there is no manual

well.. hmm
well, i suppose ill just wait for N hours to see when gcc and glibc are done.. need to go out anyhow

heh i think my laptop is over heating… it appears the fans arent running….
thats not good….

i hate fans
allways asking for an autograph

lol
thats wierd though cuz i have it set in the bios that as long as the laptop is on AC power the fans should be on…

have anyone here ever installed LFS?

see what I mean about laptop cooling being inadequate?

i was once going to but then i found gentoo
there are some good howto's tho

i cannot build GCC (sphase 1)

i hear ya man

sorry found the help was bit stupid

. /1/1/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libc.so when searching for -lc
.. /1/1/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libc.a when searching for -lc

http://rafb.net/p/HGhdmM66.html here is the error with the quicktime

heh i wonder
i think it might have been that i didnt hit a key for awhile so it might have tried to enter hibranate or something like that…. i doubt it but im just sitting here thinking of wierd outlandish possibilities…

can i somehow do that 'tar xvfz http://site/file.tar.gz -C /homedir` will actually download and unpack the package ?

yeah, wget -O - http://url | tar -xzv

http://rafb.net/p/HGhdmM66.html here is the error with the quicktime, maybe someone can help me

cool!

anyone?

I have trouble with one package that is masked (gnomevfs-sharp), is there a way to see the whole chain of packages that pulls it in?

did you alredy unmask the package ?

No, I want to remove things that require it instead, I don't want to unmask a lot of packages (at least try to avoid it). That's why I want to see the reason why it is pulled in

oh so i missunderstood your question sorry

wahoo!! screenlets, knotes & superkaramba all working as widgets, on a widget layer with compiz-fusion!

no problem, I was probably not so clear.

Hi. What is the supported method for installing Perl modules on gentoo? Can I just use the cpan shell or will this cause package conflicts later?

[tla]: g-cpan

thx

IPtables is the predominent firewall ruleset with 2.6, isnt it?

How do i get emerge to forget a previous partial build. ie i want emerge –resume to forget it has anything to do?

has anyone ever mounted a dmg file?

[tla]: do you want to skip to the next package in the list?

Yes, I believe iptables is preferred now. I use it anyway o_o
no, i just want to forget everything in the list

[tla]: whats the best way to see if i have it enabled in the kernel?

as it happens, the packages in the list have since been installed so i dont need the list anymore

[tla]: then just don't use emerge –resume, next time you want to emerge something, just emerge it

What happens if you type iptables –list ?

[tla]: it will replace the list next time you emerge something

[tla]: command not found :/

Then you don't have user space support, never mind kernel support

[tla]: heh, yup, installing the package now

It seems to do the new emerge and still remember the old partial emerge; hence the reason i want to get rid of it

[tla]: emerge –resume resumes the last emerge that was run

If you type "zcat /proc/config.gz | grep IPT" you will see the IPTables flags for IPv4 and IPv6. They need to be set to "Y" or "M" (for v4, v6 or both depending on your networking needs), but not just these, others too.
You can see the other flags with: zcat /proc/config.gz | grep _NF_

hi there

I see a lot of 'Neighbour table overflow' in my logs. Any ideas where they could come from?

also, check out http://www.netfilter.org/ and http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Iptables_for_newbies

what flags for that quicktime package?
also what version of ffmpeg installed?
also you might want to try again without -finline-functions in your cflags

hmm anyone knows howto figure out the ram size of the dimms? without tools like lshw or stuff?

hck he bos or crack the case
damn wreles kyboard
check the bios, or crack the case

there's tool that comes with lm_sensors…

friendly12345, no tools, just proc

hmm quick question in the grub.conf if i have my root partition in partition 4 do i do it as root (hd0,4)? also if i have my windows on partition 1 do i do it as rootnoverify (hd0,1)?